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Another Poll Shows Florida Medical Marijuana Initiative Very Close

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united for care florida amendment 2 medical marijuanaOnce upon a time Florida’s medical marijuana initiative looked like it would win by a large margin. I saw a poll that put support for the initiative as high as 88%. A lot has changed since then. Conservative funder Sheldon Adelson has pumped millions of dollars into the opposition’s campaign, and the opposition’s campaign has resorted to some very shady tactics. The no on Amendment 2 campaign even went as far as putting out advertising suggesting that medical marijuana cookies would become the new date rape drug of choice. This enormous level of shady propaganda seems to have changed some minds, as the the most recent poll shows the medical marijuana initiative losing by a small margin. Per Fire Dog Lake:

Indications are that the fight for medical marijuana in Florida will be extremely tight. A new Gravis Marketing poll finds Amendment 2, the Use of Marijuana for Certain Medical Conditions, falls just short of what is needed for approval.

The survey of likely voters found 55 percent planning to voter for the medical marijuana amendment and 39 percent planning to vote against. An additional 7 percent are still unsure how they will vote.

Normally 55% would be more than enough for an initiative to win. However, in Florida constitutional amendments require at least 60% of the vote to pass. Come on Florida, help rock the vote next month. Tell everyone you know to vote for the initiative. Point to the other almost two dozen states that have legalized medical marijuana and point to the fact that it is helping sick people in those states. The sky is still in tact in those states, just as it will stay in tact if/when Florida legalizes medical marijuana. Suffering patients in Florida desperately need Amendment 2 to pass!

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  • Fred

    No worries?

  • xMatt

    I do have to laugh at your last sentence though. Give me a break. No one is forcing you to do squat. And your options are not as limited as you pretend. Plenty of people manage pain without leaving the state or becoming felons. And they’ve been doing it successfully for years.
    I’m also going to call shennanigans on your “I choose to not be a felon in my state.”
    Swear to me right now that you’ve never smoked marijuana in Florida and I’ll take it back. But for some reason, I’ll have a hard time believing it.
    I’m betting you smoke regularly and will continue to do so regardless of whether or not this passes.

  • xMatt

    You are a perfect example of someone who SHOULD have access to the drug.
    But I’m not going to vote to allow anyone and everyone access just so the very few people who actually NEED it like yourself can get access.
    Show we a law that allows people like you to get it and keeps it out of the hands of the anyone and everyone who self medicates and I’ll vote YES.

  • xMatt

    LOL. Is that supposed to instill confidence? We may not like them much, but lawyers and politicians are the best chance we’ve got to pass and enforce the laws. General public can’t be trusted either.

  • DeeperDish

    Doctors are far more trustworthy than corrupt politicians.

  • Nancy

    In the interest of time, amendment 2 needs to pass. Lawmakers won’t be “forced” to do anything if it doesn’t. On the contrary, its defeat may serve to reaffirm their stand that Floridians don’t want it. Legal cannabis may well be an inevitability, but the wheels are turning far too slowly. It would be better if amendment 2 passed.

  • Debbie

    I live in Florida also and have spinal problems that have required several surgeries. Florida is my home and I don’t want to leave, it would be too difficult to get re-started in Colorado or another legal state. I’m still holding out hope that amendment 2 will pass, but if it doesn’t, this issue will keep repeating until it does pass. i just hope it happens soon.

  • Trish

    Legalizing marijuana is NOT the issue. The issue is the manner in which
    they are trying to make it legal. If you vote no, it DOES NOT mean
    that pot will never be legal. It will just force lawmakers to make it
    legal the appropriate way – making it a law rather than a Constitutional
    amendment.

  • FlaGaProductions

    Do your research. Low THC cannabis that will be available in 2015 is NOT complete medical cannabis. THC and the terpine content of cannabis sativa is vital to many of debilitating diseases including M.S., Aids/HIV, Cancer, Spinal conditions. The Charlotte’s web strain of cannabis legalized by the legislature is not intended to help any majority of adults. Maybe 5% of diseases can be treated with low/no THC cannabis, mostly cerebral cancers and it’s main focus is pediatric leukemia.

    If proposition 2 doesn’t pass I will be leaving this state forever. I’ve got spinal stenosis in both the cervical and lumbar areas of my spine. Low no THC cannabis provides almost no muscular skeletal pain relief sure the muscle muscle seizures stop thanks to the CBD’s but only THC shuts down the radiating pain that makes it impossible to move my upper body.

    My ‘untrusted doctor’ flat out explained to me that my options are, 1) surgery that will reduce my mobility by at least 10% 2) monthly steroid shots directly into my spine, coupled with ‘pain management’ 3) 60 minutes of physical therapy daily involving sonograms. Those were my options. I presented him with Cannabis. Under his breath he mumbled, ‘It is the most effective muscle relaxant and seizure control substance we know.”

    I can now report that my last back seizure was over 14 months ago, after I’d been out of cannabis for 3 weeks, my ‘addictive withdraw’ from cannabis was minor depression and a back spasm that dropped me down the stairs and scared the hell out of my wife. She thought I’d finally after two decades of pain become fully disabled.

    I’ve spent the better part of my savings traveling the country to get the best knowledge on cannabis I could. I found it in Colorado and did try C.W. low THC, it didn’t help nearly enough even in high doses. With the assistance of a neurosurgeon (not a pot doctor) from CO, we found three strains that fully alleviate my pain and spasms, they are NOT included in the C.W. law in place.

    I choose to not be a felon in my state because of a degenerative spinal condition. You’re knowledge of cannabis is obviously lacking. I was once a gun slingin’, deep sea fishing, NRA Pro 2A Floridian who hated ‘pain management clinincs’ just as much as the bathtub meth lab. That was until a back spasm caused me to drive my truck off of I-4 into a ditch. I opted NOT to take the ONLY LEGAL options from my doctor which all of which ended with eventual surgery and opiate addiction. I chose to not live a life in ‘managed pain,’ I’m doing activities I haven’t been able to do since my 20s and reinvigorated a career I thought was beyond my grasp because of my spine.

    xMatt, my doctor would LOVE to prescribe the specific strains of cannabis I need to function unfortunately the LAW tells him he has no choice but to slice me open, shave my spine down, give me medical heroin, and repeat the process every 7 – 10 years of my life. You might see me on the street and not even know I have a back condition today, if you saw me 3 years ago you’d think I was a lazy 30 something on the motorized shopping cart because your shallow mind couldn’t conceive of a mid-30 something with a degenerative spinal condition. Vote no on 2, I’ll leave this idiotic state before I’ll darken the doors of a pill mill. I’ve already got a realtor on deck to sell my house if Nov 4 doesn’t work out in favor of my spine.

    People like you will force my family to become cannabis refugees.

  • Ron

    The polls aren’t going to change the minds of anyone that I know. So I don’t think that’s a worry. But the polls are supposed to be an indicator of what might happen. In that regard I’m paying attention. I just hope that on November 5th I can breath a sigh of relief instead of wondering when we’ll be able to seriously take up this issue again.

  • Nelson

    “recreational use isn’t the real motive” it’s really a dual motive, medicinal and recreational, with backers of each motive (and many that want both) joining forces for the best possible result – in my opinion. You’ve probably heard the term “self medicating” applied to some alcohol consumption. Personally I think those people would be much better off with marijuana.

    You know the old anecdote about eating an elephant. If you insist on doing the job with one or two bites in five minutes, you will not only not achieve your goal, but you will die in the process by choking to death. But if you can be content with just one manageable bite at a time, eventually you will find that you have completed the task. I believe that trying to legalize recreational marijuana in Florida at this time would meet solid resistance causing the effort to not only fall flat on its face but to also set back the cause further in time than it would be if nothing had been attempted. The approach that makes most sense is incrementalism because at each step you can see some permanent progress that you can then build upon with your next effort. But if any step fails, you still have the success of the previous efforts firmly in place. I also believe that one of the reasons the Florida legislature approved Charlotte’s web recently was because of the absence of anything (except marinol, which is largely a joke) to show as serious marijuana reform in the face of the oncoming amendment 2. So even if amendment 2 fails, there still has been a small incremental step taken on which to build – and it probably wouldn’t have happened if not for amendment 2.

  • xMatt

    You’re right about one of the differences with Oxy. Another of course is how dangerous it is.
    But really I was only bringing up Oxy for 1 reason: to prove that doctors without legislation cannot be trusted.
    You’re also right about the likely legalization of recreational marijuana eventually everywhere. If I were a betting man, I’d bet that it’ll happen.
    I’m glad you’re at least being honestly about your goals with Amendment 2. It drives me crazy that everyone is trying to pretend that recreational use isn’t the real motive. I just don’t like the smoke and mirrors. If people claim it’s about medicine, then we should pass a good law about medicine, not sneak an “anything goes” line in there.

  • Nelson

    The point you’re missing about the oxy is that people were
    doctor shopping – and not simply for their first prescription, but for multiple
    simultaneous prescriptions – mostly for re-sale purposes. With medical
    marijuana, people that need/want it can’t even get a single prescription, much
    less multiple simultaneous prescriptions. And most people that will try to get medical
    marijuana will not be interested in reselling it illegally anyway – they want
    it for their own consumption. Now, unlike many of my fellow supporters, I’ll
    admit upfront that if amendment 2 passes, it will be a step toward recreational
    legalization. But here’s the kicker that you probably won’t like. Sometime in
    the next 15 to 20 years, maybe much much sooner the way things are going,
    recreational (not just medical) marijuana is going to be legal in all 50 states
    and by the federal government as well. And as you know, the political parties
    in charge take turns in the majority. I don’t want the democrat party to get
    voted into the majority just so they can legalize marijuana. But if amendment 2
    passes, Republicans that feel obligated to have a public stance against
    marijuana will be able to wash their hands of any responsibility of legalizing
    it. But if amendment 2 fails and Republicans hold steadfast to their stance
    against whole-plant medical marijuana (not just charlotte’s web), they’ll
    hasten the takeover of our state government by the Democrat political party
    that has no understandings of financial issues and job issues and will sink our
    economy again. And there’s not going to be an advantage to being one of the
    last states to get on board with legalization. In fact, Florida would do well
    financially to be one of the earlier adopters because it has a lot of potential
    for growing for export. I could go on, but I’m tired and it’s late…

  • xMatt

    Yes, I would rather have no law than a bad one. I don’t think it’s “asking too much” to have the people whose job it is to create laws be the ones creating laws. Do they do a terrible job? Yes. But it’s still their job, not ours.
    And I’m glad it would exceed the number of words in an amendment. My whole point is that legal issues like this SHOULD NOT be amendments voted on by the general public.
    We aren’t lawyers or experts on the constitution. When you have popular opinion deciding the laws, that’s how we get in trouble.
    “The same way they do with Oxycotin….” That’s the exact example I used in a prior post about how the DOCTORS CANNOT BE TRUSTED! With Oxy we had a TERRIBLE problem with the pill mills in Florida. The doctors made a mess of things and we had to pass new laws and regulations to fix this mess.

  • Nelson

    “I think we should do things the right way the first time.” The problem is that with the prevailing attitude in our legislature, what you’re asking for is impossible. So the alternative to amendment 2, or the “right way” as you state, is nothing!

    “If they got rid of the last line about “any condition…..” we wouldn’t have an issue.” In that case if your disease/condition is not among the enumerated conditions, then you are excluded. It’s impossible (and inappropriate) to enumerate a completely inclusive list of conditions, and an attempt could exceed the number or words allowed in an amendment as well as cause lots of disagreement. Do we have an all inclusive list for conditions that can get Oxycontin or the many other dangerous prescription drugs? No, we leave that up to doctors. The clause “other conditions” will allow doctors to make the decision the same way they now do with Oxycontin. We must always put medical decisions in the hands of doctors – not lawmakers. Well, unless you’re Rand Paul because he’s both (that was a joke).

  • xMatt

    I thought this was a medical debate?
    If this is a medicine, with what you’re talking about, why do we need doctors at all then?
    If you want to debate recreational marijuana vs alcohol, that’s an entirely different subject. And supposedly not what Amendment 2 is about.
    But of course we both know that’s EXACTLY what 2 is about.
    If we wanted to rewrite multiple laws in this country and “pick our poison” between alcohol and marijuana, that would definitely be a harder decision.

    The pros for alcohol would be consumption in moderation. 1-2 drinks can have pretty much no negative and actual positive effect. In excess though…. that’s where alcohol is much worse.
    If we could wave a magic wand and make it so no one ever got drunk again and people only got high instead, although not ideal, I’d probably prefer that world.

  • xMatt

    That’s a valid point, however I don’t think that’s how we should pass laws. This shouldn’t be an “all or nothing” thing when it comes to medicine.
    I think we should do things the right way the first time.
    If we were debating speed limits, and we both agree that 80mph should be the highway speed limit when the current is 55mph, you don’t try to pass a law with an unlimited speed limit just because you don’t like 55.

    What’s going on now is the pro-Amendment 2 people are telling us 80mph is ideal…… then forcing us to vote on an unlimited speed limit.
    If they got rid of the last line about “any condition…..” we wouldn’t have an issue.

  • Gary

    You can choose to stay away from any drug, including alcohol. Why not let others make their own choice and regulate cannabis similarly to alcohol? We all know dozens or more people that consume marijuana recreationally just as we know people that do the same with alcohol. Why is it such a big deal to say that they are not criminals?

  • Nelson

    “Amendment 2 will leave us wide open for abuse”
    I must say that I disagree with that from a relative/comparative standpoint. All the other drugs that don’t have an “amendment 2” behind them are being abused and are killing people. But marijuana is currently unregulated and sold to minors without questioning their age. The legislature wouldn’t/won’t give us whole-plant regulations, so the people are trying to use the next option.

  • xMatt

    While I’m against 2, you’re absolutely correct.
    Our local radio host keeps yelling at all the potheads that keep calling the station and saying stupid or hateful things. He tries to explain that they’re actually doing harm for their cause but they don’t get it.
    David is basically telling Republicans that they should vote against 2.
    My favorite was a guy who called in saying “pass 2 so I can smoke weed whenever I want bro.”
    The radio host was like, “shhhhh…..keep talking about cancer patients and seizure kids.”

  • xMatt

    We shouldn’t.
    But we should deny medicine to people who abuse it.
    Amendment 2 will leave us wide open for abuse. Just like in California.
    We should expand the existing law to allow people who truly need it to access it.

  • xMatt

    My entire point is a LEGITIMATE need.
    If you’re arguing on the case of legitimate medical needs, then we should be fighting to expand coverage under the existing law.
    The problem is that Amendment 2 will have us just like California where anyone with an ILLEGITIMATE need can get it as well.
    Why should politicians, instead of “physicians” decide what is legitimate? Because physicians recently proved in Florida that THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED! In 2010 during the peak of the Florida pill mill craze, 80% of all Oxy prescriptions in the country were written in Florida.
    Anyone who pretended to be in pain could walk into a pill mill, pay $75 and walk out with $3,000 worth of pills to use themselves or sell on the street. And many did.

    It wasn’t until politicians (and the general public) stepped in that we helped put an end (partially) to this crisis.

  • DeeperDish

    Why should people with medical need — and insomnia is legitimate, especially as marijuana is safer than pharmaceutical sleep aids which greatly increase your chances of death — wait and suffer until enough voters support recreational legalization? Why should politicians, not physicians, decide who qualifies with a serious enough condition?

    CBD (cannabidiol) which was approved by the Florida legislature is not as effective with pain relief as with THC, because cannabinoids have synergisitic effect.

    The pro-legalization side has facts, history, science, reason, logic, and yes, compassion. Prohibitionists have lies, half-truths, prejudices, and sadism.

  • Sarah

    Here’s a link to part 1 of that debate
    tinyurl[dot]com/mq3a4n2

    And here’s a link to part 2
    tinyurl[dot]com/o6hju7j