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Don’t Support Marijuana Businesses That Don’t Support You

marijuana greedThe fight to reform marijuana laws in America has been going on since it first became illegal many decades ago. Marijuana supporters have endured a lot – public ridicule, arrest, loss of assets, etc. There have been recent victories, but only after a lot of blood, sweat, tears, and treasure were spent.

One of my biggest pet peeves is when profiteers try to infiltrate the marijuana industry now that it is becoming more mainstream. These people only care about profits, and could care less about helping keep people out of jail, or helping sick patients. The only thing that motivates them is greed, and they would throw any marijuana activist, consumer, or patient under the bus if it made them one dollar more.

These profiteers are easy to spot. They were nowhere to be found prior to recreational and medical marijuana reform victories. They have never worked on a campaign, or even donated to a campaign. They didn’t stand up for what’s right until after the fight was over in their area, and they are now on the scene acting like they helped contribute.

There are dispensary owners in Colorado that encouraged their customers to vote no on Amendment 64, yet are now opening recreational marijuana stores. Next time you plan on spending your hard earned money on a marijuana product or marijuana itself, do your homework. Don’t support marijuana businesses that don’t support you. Instead, support businesses that have fought on your behalf. If the business owner wasn’t around for the struggle, they shouldn’t be around for the reward.

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  • Uncle Arthur

    I’d like to know who these dispensary owners are that encouraged people to vote for continued prohibition, so I can stay away from their recreational stores.

    • jimmyTumbleweed

      In Washington we were against i-502 it destroyed the medical cannabis. And a very low dui thc level. 200 pesticides can be used on recreational pot in Washington. Ect ect.profiteeringis the word.

      • Uncle Arthur

        My post was in reference to those that opposed A-64 and then turning around to profit from something that they opposed. What does that have to do with I-502?

        • kashta

          i am a colorado resident do work to develop a site on actual honest reviews..and publishing open records and info relevant to the dispensaries here..please support…any info or advice you can send to kashta9@gmail.com

    • micko

      Name and shame

      • Sarijuana

        wish I could up vote this twice!

  • april

    Hell yeah, all the back stabbers will be out in full force now. They see a easy buck can be made an they are there. Don’t buy from these idiots…. boy they really do tick me off, like I said , two faced back stabbers……….

  • Susan Soltrelly

    Can’t wait for when this wave hits #Florida.. Unfortunately all we count with is with a bunch of OLD PEOPLE in Tallahassee that will never understand the great benefits of this plant. And if doesn’t have benefits why don’t just legalize it .. ?

  • Sarijuana

    Ex-narcs or not, I’m glad to have people like LEAP speaking out against prohibition. Ex-law enforcement, who left the dark side after enlightenment are powerful and good business allies. I don’t care when they “came to Jesus”, cuz at least they came.

    • wowFAD

      I’m still a little wary of LEAP. If more of their membership were active duty, I’d have more respect for them. Someone once said to me, “Yup, they oppose our unfair cannabis laws… …now that they’re safely collecting pensions for enforcing them.”

      I can appreciate the sentimentality of a former cop shedding a tear for the harmless cannabis consumer they sent to prison. They really *should* feel guilty. But their post-hoc guilt won’t give that person his/her life back.

      Chalk it up to my bitterness and cynicism, but retired LEAP members remind me of President Bill Clinton who had the bald-faced AUDACITY to say “someone” should do something about our draconian cannabis laws only a few years after he, himself, could have done something. Just watch — if President Obama does the same thing… …lets just say I’m mentally outlining the hate mail I’ll write, right this moment.

      • Sarijuana

        I certainly appreciate your point of view, wowFad. Always do, cynicism or not.

      • Jamie Guest

        We need more bitter cynics in this country! This brain-washed over-marketed, propagandized American philosophy nowadays is a disease of misinformation. Thanx for voicing your opinion i like the way you think

      • painkills2

        Whether it is guilt or increased education, the voices of LEAP members carry weight in their communities, and they are a good public face of legalization. What would happen to active duty members if they were activists for legalization? Wouldn’t they get harassed and possibly fired?

        LEAP members can’t change the past, but at least they are not adding to the confusion of the present and future. And their speaking out will help people stay out of prison in the future.

        Compared to others (for and against) involved with legalization who are only interested in profit, LEAP at least has a little more credibility.

        • wowFAD

          For the sake of argument, let’s ignore the implication that really leaves a bad taste in my mouth: that every member of LEAP who waited until retirement to voice their conscience apparantly cared more about job security than their principles. That’s only a peeve I can ignore for all the reasons you listed. What bugs me is what that says about active duty cops.

          There’s no begrudging what LEAP is, what LEAP does, and why. That’s not what I was implying. Great message, great public face, all good stuff. LEAP doing good work with the public isn’t a bad thing. What I was getting at, I think, is the same thing you were getting at — the attitude of *current* law enforcement is not exactly conducive to the idea of legalization, which certainly is a bad thing. It’s a bad thing that the spirit of LEAP, Law Enforcement *Against* Prohibition, only applies to members of law enforcement who no longer actually enforce the law.

          Saying it would be “difficult” for an active duty cop to openly support changing the law is probably an understatement, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. Think about it — there were cops who probably hated Rosa Parks, at the time (the same way some cops I’ve seen react violently to cannabis smokers on youtube — they *hate* them). She was breaking the law. At some point during the civil rights movement, I’m sure, a cop spoke up and said Rosa Parks did the right thing, that she wasn’t a criminal, and then slowly cops’ attitudes began to change.

          Cops who are still on the job need to start shifting their attitudes because the laws ARE changing. I promise you, there are some cops in both WA and CO who are really upset they can’t push around stoners anymore. That’s the wrong attitude — an attitude LEAP should be counteracting.

          And let’s hope that’s not the dominant attitude in most police stations. Because if it is, that attitude HAS to change, and it will only change when active duty cops who still feel twinges of conscience stand up to their peers prior to retirement. We give them firearms. They should conduct themselves with more emotional maturity than my high school football team had and at least half the integrity of character my boyscout troop had.

          If more active duty cops stood up to their fellows and spoke their consciences openly, that taboo, if it exists, would collapse. Somewhere, some cop needs to say to his/her peers “Shouldn’t we be going after people who are a danger to society instead of locking up harmless stoners?”

          • painkills2

            Ah, you give good argument, as always. Let me see if I can compete…

            Right now, there are lots of people doing jobs that don’t agree with their principles. I’m not sure what kind of alternative employment is out there for police officers, but considering what is going on with pensions and lay-offs in some states, I would imagine that, like everyone else, police officers are hanging on to their jobs with their fingernails. In this economy, I begrudge no person their job, and don’t expect them to risk losing it by supporting a controversial issue.

            (As an aside, I was reading a post about a guy who lives in an area where the only job he can get is for a fracking company. He knows what this company does is wrong. He also knows he has a family to feed. I believe that if an alternative job existed that would allow him to support his family, this guy would take it in a heart beat. Maybe some cops and DEA agents feel the same way.)

            I’ve often wondered how much racism has to do with police attitudes towards marijuana. Oh, I know there are plenty of police officers who are just anti-any-drug, and when we’re talking about WA and CO, certainly we’re talking about mostly white populations, right? I sure hope that most of the police force in those states will not ruin people’s lives for what is now legal. But I expect it will take time to bring everyone on board.

            As legalization matures in the U.S., I wonder if some of the racism in our criminal justice system will begin to be pushed out. So, Mr. Cynic, am I being too hopeful on this score?

            I think we can compare the drug war to civil rights, as racism still prevails today. But, I’m going to take it a step further, and compare legalization to the situation in South Africa. (A big stretch, I know.) Not a comparison to the struggle itself, which I think is bigger and includes facets of the drug war, but to the country’s efforts to move forward, with everyone, black and white. It looks like it will take a lot longer for equality in that country, but we all have to start somewhere, right?

            Twenty years from now, I don’t want to still be talking about who’s at fault for what, or who should have done what, or blaming others for why progress is so slow. I’m not suggesting that the police and others who have caused so much damage and tragedy be given a free ride into legalization, no. What I’m saying is that everyone makes mistakes, and giving people second chances is what legalization is about, isn’t it? Not primarily, but in any number of ways. All who benefited from the drug war cannot be left on the wayside as if they weren’t part of our society. There were many who were conned by the drug war propaganda, and I certainly won’t be the one to judge when someone was able to see through the bullshit. Maybe it was their religion or their family’s history of law enforcement that colored their vision, I don’t know, but I’m willing to give people the benefit of the doubt.

            I don’t feel the same way about the banking industry, though. Or Wall Street. These industries should be destroyed down to the last brick, and all who work within them should be made to beg on the streets wearing Jamie Dimon masks to cover their shame. All their ill-gotten gains should be transferred to fund free education for all. DEA agents can teach courses in drug war history; NSA agents can teach consumer privacy and governmental overreach; and everyone in the military will be retrained to do good things.

            As the number of marijuana users grows, the number of solutions to the world’s problems will grow. And when cannabis is free (and after GWB, Cheney, and cohorts are found guilty of war crimes), peace will reign upon the land. (We will be dead by this time, but that’s beside the point.)

            C’mon, wowFAD, be part of the rainbow…

          • wowFAD

            You also make good points, as always — my personal hangups about cops and police in general shouldn’t have bled over to LEAP so easily, simply because they take whatever members they can get.
            I do understand taking jobs you don’t want or agree with. The UE rate has finally gotten back to pre-2009 levels, though that isn’t to say a person can/should quit a job about which they are sub-conscientious objector, like a fracking company, or the police.

            But let’s look at these examples, objectively. Fracking can be done safely — it’s not being done that way, however, and bad things happen when engineers cut corners to save money. Cops aren’t supposed to be jerks to people. Cops are supposed to serve and protect, not to abuse and intimidate. I’m not suggesting any cop quit, LEAST of all the ones who still think for themselves and have morals. Such a cop would certainly run the risk of losing their job — although I’m pretty sure the ACLU could make a case out of a state-funded entity (a police station) terminating an employee for expressing their political opinions, as that seems like a cut-and-dry case of violating that cop’s 1st Amendment rights. I *want* those cops to stick around, not martyr themselves. There is middleground to be had between silence and expulsion — it’s up to each individual to navigate that path as they see fit.

            I suppose all I have to say about cops is that I’d be happier if the ones who still have morals stood up to the ones who don’t.

            Wall Street and the banking industry are two other examples of men and women who aren’t fulfilling their original purpose. They weren’t charged to serve and protect, but the original intention of the financial industry was to facilitate all the *other* industries that actually have a product of some kind. Had FDR envisioned a United States in which our most profitable industry was the financial industry, he’d cry tears of blood, especially after he learns that manufacturing debt to collect on interest payments is only *one* of the terrible things that the financial industry has done to our country for profit. He’d be doing flips in his grave if he knew our financial industry is carving up and selling off our *other* industries for profit, calling it “venture capitalism.”

            Likewise with the drug war. It was supposed to make us safer and healthier. In reality, and some say by design, the drug war replaced Jim Crowe laws and simply rebranded the racism that existed openly prior to the civil rights movement as a “culture war” waged by a “silent majority” (of racists). The arrest rate for cannabis charges in the Atlanta GA area is over 90% for black folks and cusping around 5-6% for white folks, despite the fact that rates of use are nearly identical. For a lot of cops, the law is simply an excuse to push around their preferred underclass, to indulge their petty personal prejudices — those are the cops I think should quit and be fired.

          • painkills2

            It seems you and I don’t agree on the issue of fracking, but this is The Weed Blog, so let’s talk about cops.

            I met a nice cop once, decades ago, but I can truthfully say that if I never run into another police officer, that would be fine with me. I assume that all cannabis users feel about the same. But with legalization comes opportunity, and while we wait for police to adjust their attitudes, perhaps cannabis users can do the same. If I lived in Colorado, maybe I would make a point to smile at police officers now, or even do something nice for one of them, instead of just avoiding them.

            “Good morning, officer, as a cannabis user, I just wanted to take this opportunity to shake your hand and thank you for your public service.” (As someone who is anti-war, if I can shake the hand of a member of the military and say thanks, I think I can do the same with a police officer. You know, if I lived in Colorado, not here in New Mexico.)

            I think Atlanta is predominately black, is it not? Perhaps that explains a part of those statistics. And it’s good to see the writer of that book, The New Jim Crow, get the accolades she deserves. That book is allowing the black community to see just how bad the drug war really is.

            Everyone is waiting for another market crash. Any predictions?

          • wowFAD

            Don’t misunderstand — we’re on the *exact* same page about fracking. It should not be done if it is not done safely, and they aren’t doing it safely. Gasland and Gasland II make me want to throw things.

            As far as another market crash, I don’t think the next one will originate with us. I’m getting increasingly concerned with the financial bubble China is inflating. A large chunk of their economy depends heavily upon building construction hedged on the principle that there will always be a market for places to live, work, and play. You may have heard of China’s “ghost cities” in passing? They’ve constructed entire cities that have less than 10% occupancy because no one can *actually* afford to live there. They made a replica city of Paris — with no one living in it. Photos and video are beyond spooky. That’s not the most frightening aspect of these cities, however. The most frightening aspect is that, as with most construction, they were built on credit — credit given in good faith that people are going to live there, *paying* to do so.

            That hasn’t happened. Not by a long shot. China builds cities the same way we build bombs — no idea who they’re for, but we’re sure someone will need them eventually. Our government has demonstrated that we’ll invent situations for our bombs, but China can’t force people to pay to live in these cities. Meanwhile, the debt created by building these ghost cities is very, very real. Those cities are just sitting there while the debt for their construction keeps gaining interest.

            That’s as far as my understanding goes, but I know that if the interest payments on that debt ever stop (similar to the US government almost defaulting on its debt by not making the interest payments on time) it could chain-react as one entity demands full payment of the debt it is owed to pay off what they now owe, which wouldn’t be bad if there weren’t so many circular paths of debt. Interest rates would sky rocket, no one would lend out any money until they get paid, and any project in any area that’s even remotely dependent upon credit (which is most everything) would grind to a halt. Imagine ten snakes in a circle, each one trying to eat the tail off the snake in front of them, not realizing they’re all connected, all destroying each other.

            Put simply, if everyone calls in every debt everyone owes, the world economy would collapse. There’s far too much money being “generated” by interest on debt to *ever* actually pay it all off. When you think about it, collecting interest for lending out money so that you can have more money to lend out to collect *MORE* interest to have even MORE AND MORE money to lend out for even MORE MORE MORE interest is how this hole was dug in the first place. The “greed is good” era put us here — too many people who know how to earn money by virtue of already having money, which is what has concentrated the bulk of all wealth with the “1%”.

            And it will persist as long as money has value. Though honestly, I imagine the world that no longer values money will be a lot happier than we are.

          • painkills2

            Safe fracking, huh? Is that kinda like clean coal? I understand that we are currently fracking the hell out of our country, in part thanks to President Obama, and I understand the benefits of natural gas. But I have read a lot about how fracking is done (after Gasland, of course), and I don’t see how it could ever be done safely. Besides, all that wasted water — a commodity far too valuable to be used for fracking.

            I’ve seen the situation in China you’re talking about (and yes the pictures are spooky), but I was thinking how very, very big China is, and I wonder if those ghost towns represent a huge part of the market. I mean, how can anyone trust the statistical information coming out of China? The financial websites are always highlighting inconsistencies in China’s numbers, so I don’t know what to believe.

            Since the financial industry is addicted to debt (all freaking kinds of debt), and since this industry constitutes 40% to 60% of our GDP (different estimates abound), I can’t see how our economy will ever really stabilize. With all these new regulations under the Dodd-Frank bill, the legal departments at these banks are working overtime to find loopholes. No one knows the size of the underground market for all those weird financial instruments, the Fed will eventually substantially pull back QE, and the market is over-inflated. I don’t completely understand the financial industry, but the market can only take “confidence” so far.

            The tech industry thinks that paper money is going the way of the dinosaurs. I don’t agree. I think cash is coming back into style. It’s how us poor people live. :D

            Happy New Year, wowFAD. Try to be an optimist for just one day!

          • painkills2

            Because we were just talking about this (from Consumer Affairs):

            “This study dovetails with another done in 2013 by McGraw Hill Federal Credit Union, which found that only one in 20 of Millennials uses a credit card – which is not good news for the credit card industry. For nearly 60%, cash is a primary payment method, followed by debit cards at 36%.”

          • Jamie Guest

            Well said…here in “Hazard County”, legal medicine or not Cannabis is treated like Meth and the Police force is of a certain religion that will live long and prosper so we have a VERY long way to go. but 3 retired police in my county do now have Medical cards…go figure! i got charged for attempted possession of a dangerous drug for an EMPTY baggie (not fun)

  • wowFAD

    Our society encourages and rewards morally bereft sociopaths who are willing to make a buck on the suffering of others. As the laws across the country change, we must be mindful of who is looking to profit and how. Dispensary owners who opposed A64 don’t scare me nearly as much as Bain Capital Ventures, Mitt Romney’s old firm, which has been buying up and consolidating rehab clinics across the country in anticipation of the “rehabition” years they think will follow prohibition — you still get arrested, but instead of jail, you’re forced to go to (and pay for) an expensive rehab program you probably don’t need.

    To be frank, one of the reasons there hasn’t been a lot of money flowing to change the laws in parts of the country where there are strong conservative/libertarian leanings is that the so-called “worthy investors” who would want to open up dispensaries know that they’d be walking a fine line if they tried to forbid home cultivation.

    That’s probably a good litmus test for big-money advocates — do they support home grows? If they say no, ask why not. If they respond with a bunch of hooey about protecting kids, odds are good they’re profiteers. We’ll have laws that govern home grows the same way we have laws that govern home brews — “don’t give/sell it to kids” is one of them. Profiteers don’t really care about your kids, so this won’t satisfy them. Simply ask them how many of their friends have gardens (probably not many) and remind them how many even attempt home brewing (again, probably not many). Their businesses will have plenty of customers if their product and prices are competitive.

    Try not to alienate them. Try instead to soften them. After all, we need their money.

    A fully legal market with home grows will still be ripe with profit. Beware those who seek to rig the system while pretending to change it for the greater good, but don’t turn pseudo advocates into pseudo enemies.

  • Karen Sobotker

    Greetings,
    It isa disgrace how some shops here in MI advertise; they do mite harm than good. From what I’ve seen here in MI many are just in for profit period and have no empathy for patients. It will take sincere people to thwart this ignorance. The article is a wake up call.

  • Brion Eduardo

    NY State Assemblyman Steve Katz opposed MMJ until he got busted. Now he’s an investor in the industry. He’s also still a key vote — and obviously now a “Yes” vote — for passing MMJ/MJ legislation in NY. Things aren’t always so simple as we would like. If I lived in Katz’s district I would vote for him, but would try to avoid any businesses financed by the investor group to which he belongs.