Oct 222014
 October 22, 2014

eric-holder-marijuanaOn his way out of office, United States Attorney General Eric Holder is being swooned over by many marijuana activists and organizations. Eric Holder expressed last month that he is open to marijuana rescheduling. Yesterday he said he is ‘cautiously optimistic’ about marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington. This set the marijuana social media world on fire, with so many people expressing their pleasure with Eric Holder. I am not one of those people. I find it sadly convenient that Eric Holder is changing his tone on marijuana policy only after he said that he is leaving his job. Below is an excerpt from an interview that Eric Holder did with CNN:

The outgoing U.S. attorney general said he is “cautiously optimistic” when it comes to Washington and Colorado’s experiment with marijuana legalization.

Eric Holder, who announced last month his plans to retire, is one of President Barack Obama’s longest-serving Cabinet members and has faced the delicate task of defining federal policy after a wave of marijuana legalization at the state level across the country.

“We don’t want to put into the federal system, low level people who are simply there for possessory offenses,” Holder said Monday in an interview with CNN’s Evan Perez.

What does ‘cautiously optimistic’ mean? Does it mean that he will fully endorse marijuana legalization, and stay out of Colorado and Washington’s business? Does it mean that he feels things are going well in those states, so he will let his replacement know that there’s no need to intervene? Or does it mean that he is throwing around political rhetoric, and that his words are empty? Because he also made the following statement in the same interview:

“What I’ve told the governors of those states is that if we’re not satisfied with their regulatory scheme that we reserve the right to come in and to sue them. So we’ll see,” Holder said.

It sounds to me like Eric Holder is ‘cautiously optimistic’ that he will still get a chance to go after people in those states. And by ‘sue them’ he really means potential SWAT raids. I leave you with an excerpt from an article I posted earlier this year, before Eric Holder started his semi-flip flopping. From Fire Dog Lake:

During a House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing today Rep. Steve Cohen (D) directly pointed out to Attorney General Eric Holder that the power to reschedule any drug, including marijuana, rests with his office.

When explicitly asked why he hasn’t even at least request the medical evaluation that would begin the rescheduling process Holder responded, “I’m satisfied with what we have done.”

What they “have done”  is actively stood in the way of change. Under Holder’s leadership the Department of Justice has not only refused to move forward with a petition from several sitting governors regarding the rescheduling of marijuana but has actually gone to court to fight against efforts to compel them to act.

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  90 Responses to “Why I’m ‘Cautiously Optimistic’ About Eric Holder’s Recent Marijuana Comments”

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    Isn’t it funny how politicians are always much braver when leaving an office or retiring from a state or government job.

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      It’s funny how people running on legalization do so poorly in national elections. It’s like there’s a whole bunch of people out there in swing states who really like putting people in jail for drugs.

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        Such as Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D) – Florida representative and national DNC chair. Yeah, I know what you mean.

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          Well, I’m referring to the great many people who vote for people like Schultz… But the facts are clear. Democrats are much better on this issue than Republicans. I post proof of that all the time in here, and I can post it again for you… in case you’re confused on which party is better on the drug war issue.

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            Yep, you’re exactly correct, dems are much better at fabricating issues than repubs.
            I definitely enjoy being an Independent…the view on all issues is much clearer.

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            Fabricating issues?

            And what is an “independent”? An embarrassed Republican? You vote Republican, but you don’t want to say you do? So you call yourself an independent?

            My view on issues isn’t determined by the way I vote. The way I vote is determined by my views on the issues. I weigh all the issues that are important to me, and it just so happens that I’ve never found a Republican with whom I agree more than I agree with Democrats or Greens.

            So, you want to make a list of the people you’ve voted for so we can go over it and see how many hippie punching liars about weed you voted for?

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            I also had a reply up to this crap that seems to have been lost…

            What does fabricating issues mean? I have posted the facts about how Democrats are INCREDIBLY BETTER BETS for getting better laws regarding marijuana. All you’ve done is bullshit.

            And what IS an independent anyway? Sometimes you vote Republican? Why? Because you want to keep weed illegal? Or because you find some other bullshit reason to vote for them? Like, you wrongly believe Democrats want to take your guns away? Maybe you like getting lied into $2 trillion dollar wars?

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    It’s called “Election year politicking”! He’s saying this for ONE reason and ONE reason only. He KNOWS that the Dems aren’t going to do well in this election. (NOT MY opinion… Polls show that to be true) He knows that young people usually vote Democratic. In order to GOTV for Dem base, he’s ALLUDING to something that he’s stood in the way of for 6 years! THIS administration will NOT reschedule marijuana. They will NOT let up on this FAILED War on Drugs! People will CONTINUE to go to jail for “simple possession”.

    HELL, Look @ N.Y.C. and the FACT that DeBlasio is on track to arrest MORE people for “simple possession” than did Bloomberg OR Giuliani. He’s heavily supported by NYPD, NYFD, NYPDPA, NYPDPP and Corrections officer Unions. He’s NOT going to go against them, even though the policy’s RACIST at best!

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      I’m optimistic President Obama will reschedule marijuana before his term is over. It’s also rumored he’ll also establish new national Monument’s in the far West. Yeah!!! And try to take whatever action he can on climate change despite drawing the wrath of knuckle-draggers in the GOP..

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        From your lips to the President’s ears. But I’m not holding my breath… Again, he’s a moderate, not a Progressive. His steps in a progressive direction have been small.

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          “Moderate”? What the hell planet do you live on? He’s the most extremist occupant the White House has ever had.

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            I live on a planet where we use data to measure things. Apparently you live on the planet Bullshit.

            http://voteview.com/blog/?p=317

            > Our findings here echo those discussed in a prior post that Republicans have moved further to the right than Democrats to the left in the contemporary period. Indeed, as seen below, President Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since the end of World War II, while President George W. Bush was the most conservative president in the post-war era.

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            George W. Bush was a liberal. Obama is a hard-core ultra leftist.

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            Bull. Read the link. It’s based on their positions and actions on actual issues, not bullshit, extreme right, Overton Window moving, fascist crap from someone like you.

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            Compared to you?

            Instead of asking yourself, “What’s good for me?” Do you ever ask,” What’s good for all of us?”

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          Considering the Republican party made it their priority to stop this President’ agenda, it seems incredible to me that he’s been able to accomplish so much.

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        Want to buy a bridge?!?!?
        He’s says what’s convenient at the time of the TV media coverage or press conference.

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          Bullshit. He has actually gotten a lot done. From gay rights to getting over 10 million people health care coverage. But then, maybe you would rather have people die because they can’t afford health care. Maybe you would prefer to dictate religious observances to gay people. Or maybe you just miss the getting lied into war? Or perhaps you miss those high flying days of a housing bubble that crashed and created a recession larger than the 4 previous recessions combined?

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      You got something to back up this assertion: “FACT that DeBlasio is on track to arrest MORE people for “simple possession” than did Bloomberg OR Giuliani.”

      We have two choices for Presidents in this country: Hippie punching Republicans who ALWAYS come down hard on the drug war, or moderate Democrats who occasionally do the right thing and slowly bend the moral arc of the universe toward justice.

      It must be hard for you… wanting to vote for Republicans so you can get your wars on, beat up on immigrants or the poor… and realizing how much worse they are on this issue. Does the cognitive dissonance give you headaches?

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        “You got something to back up this assertion” … You can start right here and do the work your own damn self … http://www.theweedblog.com/under-de-blasio-nypd-continues-discriminatory-marijuana-arrest-crusade/

        Not that this blog is the place for it but we have more than two choices for President. It seems the masses are to scared to deviate from the norm and throw both the left and the right to the curb. I love how you vilify the Republicans but moderate the Democrats. That is the ultimate in hypocrisy. Both parties have huge problems. They both occasionally do the right thing and they both control society by restricting freedoms that they do not agree with. The lesser of two evils voting pattern of this country is just as outdated as prohibition and until we stop following the candidate that is shoved down our throats (follow the money) we will perpetuate this divided nations failures. The headaches are caused by extremist views on both sides of the aisle.

        My biggest issue (on topic) is that the only time MOST of these authority figures advocate for something other than the status quo is after they have left their position of authority. They have made their careers, profits and retirements on the back of prohibition (and other issues) they were afraid to address while in office. Just because they did not actively pursue Colorado, Washington, California and other reform states does not mean they made any effort toward reform in and of itself, it is a copout. I know that I am going to get flogged for this but it is how I feel. I cant show respect or applaud a two faced approach. I hope for the best and see the changes but they are slow to come because the ones that can make the difference are to worried about their careers than doing the right thing when they have the ability. I was cautiously optimistic when they got elected now I am just sorry so much more time has been wasted….

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          First off, I make it clear that politicians are just that. My point is that you have a much better CHANCE of seeing reform from Democrats that from Republicans. Care to look up what De Blasio’s opponent had to say about weed? Also, we should note that it takes time to make changes in institutions that are geared up for a drug war, like NYPD is. The last two mayors had what, 20 years to put their hippie punchers in positions of power throughout the administration. But, if you want to make a friendly bet, I’d wager that by the time Bill’s done with his terms, his yearly average will be LOWER than that of Bloomberg or Giuliani.

          Ok, let’s see what you got… From the link:

          “on track to equal – or even surpass – the number of arrests under Mayor Bloomberg.”

          Hmmm… On track to equal or surpass. Sounds like they haven’t equaled or surpassed yet… If we go to the report, I see they’ve picked March through August of 2013 and 2014 for the comparison. I’d like to see the rest of the months. I’d like to see ALL of Bloomberg’s record, all of Giulianni’s record.

          While I’m happy to see these people try to light a fire under the new mayor’s ass, I think that saying he’s worse than Bloomberg or Giuliani is quite a stretch.

          “we have more than two choices for President”

          Yeah, you can join the 1% of the population that votes Glibertarian. Or vote Green! That really rocks the boat (note: I’ll be voting for Hawkins as a protest vote against GOP lite Cuomo, and I voted Green against Senator Feinstein when I lived in CA).

          ” It seems the masses are to scared to deviate from the norm and throw both the left and the right to the curb.”

          People ARE right and left. I don’t vote for Democrats because I’m some kind of brainwashed drone (like Republicans). I vote for them because when I look at the issues, Democrats align with me. 70% of Democrats voted not to renew the Patriot Act, only 14% of Republicans did. Over 90% of Democrats voted the right way on the two weed bills that recently passed the US house, while only around 20% of Republicans did. Abortion, war, pentagon spending, education spending, infrastructure spending… All issues on which I agree with Democrats.

          ” I love how you vilify the Republicans but moderate the Democrats”

          You mean how I put forward basic facts like the ones I just mentioned? That’s not me moderating or vilifying anything. Those are just facts. But, yeah, tell me something the Republicans should be praised for. I have plenty of complaints about Democrats, just not anywhere near my complaints about the GOP. And I have even more complaints about the Glibertarians who either waste their votes on people with no chance to win, or just simply won’t vote for Democrats, even though they agree with them on so much, because they think Dems want to take their guns, or raise their taxes, or whatever.

          “That is the ultimate in hypocrisy.”

          How is it hypocrisy for me to promote the party that most aligns with my issues when they VOTE (I really don’t care what they say, I care what they do) and to vilify the party that I hate, that brought us trickled down economics, the drug war (while they let the Nicaraguans bring in lots of cocaine in the 80’s), the Iraq war, the Little Bush Depression…

          “Both parties have huge problems.”

          Again, one party has a lot more problems than the other.

          “They both occasionally do the right thing and they both control society by restricting freedoms that they do not agree with.”

          Name something the GOP has done right lately. And, again, 70% of Democrats voted AGAINST renewing the Patriot Act. Only 14% of the GOP did. And the weed votes in the House were so lopsided, with over 90% of Democrats voting the right way and only 20% of the Republicans that I don’t know how you can say this crap with a straight face.

          “The lesser of two evils voting pattern of this country is just as outdated as prohibition and until we stop following the candidate that is shoved down our throats (follow the money) we will perpetuate this divided nations failures.”

          So, we should what? Vote Glibertarian? I can’t stand their economic philosophy. It’s worse than the GOP’s. Had we voted for the lesser of two evils in 2000, we wouldn’t have had Dick Cheney, The Patriot Act, the Iraq War…. Seems like the less evil is always a good thing. And the idea that you have someone in mind who would be even less evil seems naive at least, and delusional at most.

          “The headaches are caused by extremist views on both sides of the aisle.”

          The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest on the hill. They are the people I support. They want to end the drug war, cut pentagon spending, get us out of our unsustainable empire, invest in education and infrastructure… It is the centrist Democrats who sell out to GOP ideas that are causing the headaches…

          “They have made their careers, profits and retirements on the back of prohibition”

          Actually, most of the Progressives have made their careers on the back of ending prohibition.

          “Just because they did not actively pursue Colorado, Washington, California and other reform states does not mean they made any effort toward reform in and of itself, it is a copout.”

          Gee… I wonder what Willard “What’s Hemp?” Romney would have done to those states? Fact is that not going after those states is a step in the right direction that no Republican administration would have done. Want a bigger step in the right direction? Elect a Progressive as President. I happen to think that’s impossible because our biggest problem is that a majority of Americans are warmongering hippie punchers.

          ” I hope for the best and see the changes but they are slow”

          “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”–MLK

          “now I am just sorry so much more time has been wasted”

          Again, much more would have been wasted had we elected a Republican President.

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        The last “moderate” Democrat in the White House was President Kennedy, and he would be considered a radical extreme right-winger by today’s Democrat party.

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        Ahh yes, yet another person with their ultra-biased head in the sand.
        Where you people come up with this mindless dribble is perplexing.

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        “We have two choices for Presidents in this country: Hippie punching Republicans who ALWAYS come down hard on the drug war, or moderate Democrats who occasionally do the right thing and slowly bend the moral arc of the universe toward justice.”

        Lol you’re hopeless. Comment again when you have something other than White House and state-run media talking points to bolster your assertions.

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          I’ll comment whenever I want, thanks. What’s funny, though, is people like you trying to shut me up with no facts, no logical arguments, no substance or evidence. Just bullshit.

          No true progressive could get elected in this country because the way the electoral college works is that a bunch of neoconfederate Yahoos who love to put people, especially brown people, in prison for smoking weed get to have a LOT more say than the rest of us who gets to be President.

          And the idea that saying that is a White House talking point is so ignorant and false that I wouldn’t even put it in my compost pile.

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            You can replace Obama in this cartoon with ANY American president.

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            Well, you couldn’t do it with FDR. Wall Street and the corporations hated him. The military hated him for waiting so long to enter WWII. And Israel didn’t even exist yet.

            Now about this comment you never defended:

            “FACT that DeBlasio is on track to arrest MORE people for “simple possession” than did Bloomberg OR Giuliani.”

            Well? You going to back up your supposed fact? Or can we all just agree you were bullshitting?

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            I never said that, so I won’t bother backing it up. Try Jetdoc, above.

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    Mr. Holder is not an elected politician. He’ a lawyer. Lawyer’s often speak in circles, especially when talking “on the record” with the press. I believe Mr. Holder should get credit for allowing Washington and Colorado’s legalized marijuana experiments to continue..He didn’t have to do so at all. .I’ll leave you with this little nugget : What would Mitt Romney’s guy have done ? Having an LDS President /Boss looking over his/her shoulder, working for a man who doesn’t believe it’s OK that people enjoy Iced tea ? Think about that one for a minute.

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      Time and time again, I think about how fortunate this nation is to have dodged a Romney presidency. He would have been an unmitigated disaster for the cannabis movement and for pretty much every other situation I can think of.

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        Perhaps on cannabis. But I don’t think anyone could have destroyed the economy more purposefully than Obama did.

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          Lol. Romney promised to have the unemployment rate down to 6% by 2016 if he were elected. Under Obama, it is down to 6% now, in 2014. Obama cleaned up a colossal mess that he inherited in 2008.

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            yeah and it only cost trillions of dollars and a huge number of full time jobs to get it that low and that does not count the number of folks that just quit working altogether, don’t get me wrong Romney was a horrific option but Obama has been simply pathetic – right along side congress. saying Obama has cleaned up a mess in Washington is like saying Holder has cleaned up the Justice Department. I believe its called a pyrrhic victory, if you don’t know what it means look it up *shrug*. Holder coming out of the closet at this point is just more of the same lackluster questionable agenda he has failed at during his time in position.

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            “it only cost trillions of dollars”

            Bullshit. The only big stimulus bill was too small, as we found out later job losses and GDP were much worse than the Bush people were telling the Obama people. What cost trillions was the war in Iraq we were lied into. Trillions of borrowed dollars that you people want to blame on Obama because your “news” doesn’t tell you facts.

            “the number of folks that just quit working altogether”

            How many of them left the workforce after the Little Bush Depression took their jobs, homes, cars, and hope? How many of them left because they’re aging baby boomers? How many left because they can retire early and buy health care on the exchanges instead of having to stick with jobs for health care (job lock). Further, a smaller work force means we might finally start to see wages going up, something that hasn’t happened much since Ronnie Raygun and the Trickle Downonauts had their number one hit: We’ll be stealing your productivity now.

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            Keep stroking yourself there boyscout. You talk a big game but the numbers don’t lie. Obama did inherit a mess and then he made it worse. Its okay to believe the bullshit you spew but just don’t be shocked when history shows you what a fool you have been. “…you people” huh? What you don’t get asshole is that I am NOT a republican. I have been a moderate Democrat my entire life and watched both sides screw us over since the 60s. What I am is a guy who followed the recent hope and change hype and realized I was being lied to at every turn AGAIN! What YOU people don’t seem to get is that while Bush started the ball rolling, Obama was to big of a pussy to step in front of it like he said he would/could and stop it without making it worse in the process. But again, lie to yourself all you want. People like you are the big egos on websites like this spouting off all your opinion-facts that add up like 1+1=7. What people like YOU make the mistake of is assuming and backing up your opinions with a few facts that correspond to the story you are trying to tell. Until you face the facts that the left is just as much to blame YOU are continuing to support a divided nation.

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            “Keep stroking yourself there boyscout.”

            Keep deluding yourself, wingnut.

            “You talk a big game but the numbers don’t lie.”

            My big game uses the numbers to proove my point.

            “Obama did inherit a mess and then he made it worse. ”

            You, like so many wingnuts, seem to have problems with basic math.

            The day that Obama took office, GDP was NEGATIVE 9% and job losses were 800,000 per month.

            http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/08/fiscal-policy#

            If what you said is true, then GDP would have had to have gone LOWER than NEGATIVE 9%, and job losses would have to have gone LOWER than 800k/mo. They did not. Ergo, things got better, not worse.

            So, right off the bat, you’re full of it.

            “Its okay to believe the bullshit you spew but just don’t be shocked when history shows you what a fool you have been”

            So, here’s some history: we’ve had years of job growth, GDP recovered, no other recession. We haven’t been attacked again. We haven’t been lied into another $2 trillion war. Companies are moving back to America. The deficit is way down. So, what’s my bullshit exactly? Where are your “numbers” that “don’t lie”?

            “What you don’t get asshole is that I am NOT a republican. ”

            If you were a moderate Democrat, like this President, then you certainly wouldn’t be spewing the Fox News/GOP talking points. But I don’t believe a word you say anyway, since you started off by lying.

            “What I am is a guy who followed the recent hope and change hype and realized I was being lied to at every turn AGAIN! ”

            I don’t idolize politicians, or expect much out of them. That way, when something good happens, like gay rights expansions, or health care expansions, or getting out of wars, or just generally not doing stupid stuff like Bush did, I’m pleasantly surprised. Don’t buy into hype. Don’t listen to what they say. Watch what they do.

            “What YOU people don’t seem to get is that while Bush started the ball rolling,”

            What ball? Dergulation of Wall Street? Lying us into wars? Falling asleep while terrorists are about to attack? The housing bubble? Try to be specific.

            “Obama was to big of a pussy to step in front of it like he said he would/could and stop it without making it worse in the process. ”

            Again… WTF are you talking about? Your incoherent babbling makes us pot smokers look bad. Try to spell it out for me. Obama got the economy back on it’s feet after Bush and Dick “Deficits Don’t Matter” Cheney brought us the biggest recession since the great depression, bigger than the last FOUR recessions combined.

            “But again, lie to yourself all you want.”

            I don’t like to myself. I get enough lies from people like you who spew shit that’s not backed up by any kind of specifics or facts of any kind.

            “People like you are the big egos on websites like this spouting off all your opinion-facts that add up like 1+1=7. ”

            My opinions are based on actual facts. Like 70% of Democrats voting against renewing the Patriot Act, while only 14% of Republicans did. Over 90% of Democrats in the US house voted to keep the DEA out of state medicinal programs, and to let banks take deposits from pot shops. Only about 20% of Republicans did.

            That adds up correctly, so your bullshit about my facts not adding up has now been exposed.

            “What people like YOU make the mistake of is assuming and backing up your opinions with a few facts that correspond to the story you are trying to tell.”

            How is it a mistake to say if you vote for Democrats you’ll get better results on weed laws, if I back that up with examples of Democrats doing the right thing on weed laws, while the vast majority of Republicans do the wrong thing?

            “Until you face the facts that the left is just as much to blame YOU are continuing to support a divided nation.”

            What facts? The nation is divided because a whole bunch of willfully ignorant people really get fired up by the Fox News fear-mongering and warmongering. They love to punch hippies. They want Theocracy. They want to make gay marriage illegal, keep weed illegal, mandatory minimums, Rockefeller Drug Laws… They want war, a high dollar that keeps their Wal Mart stock high. They want all the opposites of what I want. How do we all get together and sing Kumbai-F’ing-Ya if we want opposite things for this country?

            And the answer is, we don’t. We battle it out in the market place of ideas. The weapons we use in that battle are facts. And I face the facts. It is you who is denying them. It is you who is bullshitting about them. It is you who offers nothing as evidence to the contrary.

            Asshole.

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            I have a reply that got lost to this pile of stinking crap… But I’ll just say this…

            “Obama did inherit a mess and then he made it worse.”

            If that was true, then GDP would have had to go below NEGATIVE 9%, and job losses would have had to have gotten above 800,000 a month. They did not. They did the opposite. GDP got back to positive territory, and we’ve been adding jobs at a pretty good clip, better than Bush ever did, since then.

            So, right off the bat I’ve proven you’re a liar.

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            So again you say that we are better off than we were say 10 years ago or 20 or 30, how about 40? I remember. do you? I was there, were you? SO if you are blaming all this on Bush and not Obamas lack of ability AS WELL !!!!! then you must blame all the other presidents for their failures, yet you blame the Bush legacy. If I remember correctly it has been Democrats that have sold us out to overseas interests while Republicans have sold us out to big business interests (which are now all over seas) If none of the presidents are responsible for their time in office and failures and its always there predecessors fault then who exactly is to blame. You are of the generation that trys so hard to see the shiny that you overlook the dull. You keep saying that you call him and his administration on his faults yet all I have seen from you is a reach around. As I have said over and over, yes Obama inherited a mess but he did not make it better but simply worse. He has pushed the repair bill onto future generations in a way that makes the Bush era costs small by comparisons. He has done terrible by foreign policy and that is an understatement when compared to the previous administrations besides Carter. Dude you can continue to stroke the guy but it wont make a difference. While some good has been seen the slimy underbelly will be what pulls us back down when all is said and done. Inflated everything eventually busts at the seems.

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            “You keep saying that you call him and his administration on his faults yet all I have seen from you is a reach around.”

            Stick around. I bitch about the droning, the compromising, the offer to cut social security… The support for the Patriot Act.

            All kinds of things you missed.

            “Obama inherited a mess but he did not make it better but simply worse”

            If Obama made things worse, then we’d have GDP lower than NEGATIVE 9% and job losses would be more than 800,000 a month. They are not. You’re a liar.

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            “So again you say that we are better off than we were say 10 years ago or 20 or 30, how about 40?”

            Where did I say that? I say, and have said, and will say, the truth. Ronald Reagan started trickle-down economics, and it’s been screwing the little guy ever since. His successors kept doing it, even Clinton who practiced a “lite” version of it. And it’s kept leading to stagnant wages and low job growth.

            I say if we want to create jobs and make this a better place to live, we need to invest in it and us. We need to invest in education, instead we’ve been laying off teachers. We need to invest in infrastructure, and instead it’s crumbling. And every chance we’ve had to invest in this country, the Republicans in congress refuse to pass the bills.

            “SO if you are blaming all this on Bush and not Obamas lack of ability AS WELL”

            I blame people for what they should be blamed for. It’s not easy figuring out what’s what. I have to read a lot.

            And Obama did not create the Little Bush Depression. He got us out of it. One of my favorite data points on this is to try to be fair to them both, which means we wind up being a little more fair to W:

            GW Bush inherited a little recession from Bill Clinton, the result of the stock bubble crashing. So, let’s not include that in his job numbers.

            Obama inherited a big recession from Bush, so let’s not include that in the numbers.

            Now, to be extra fair to Bush, let’s drop the recession he caused at the end of his Presidency from his numbers too.

            Now, that means we’re looking at the average monthly job growth during non-recession months of Presidents Bush and Obama.

            Bush’s average was 68,000 jobs a month. That is so pitiful that even the Wall Street Journal said Bush was the worst President ever on jobs.

            Obama’s average is about double that now.

            And you want to blame Obama?

            “then you must blame all the other presidents for their failures, yet you blame the Bush legacy”

            As you can see, I do just that. When Eisenhower used the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran in the 50’s, in order to help the British Petroleum Company that didn’t want Iran to nationalize their oil, Ike unleashed a torrent of backlash that is still costing us to this day. And, Ike got us the Interstate system, which is still helping us to this day.

            So, yeah, I blame Presidents for what they should be blamed for and I praise them for what they should be praised for. But I sure as hell don’t put them on pedastals.

            “If I remember correctly it has been Democrats that have sold us out to overseas interests while Republicans have sold us out to big business interests”

            Oh, please, both sides have done their share of damage in both areas. LBJ lied about the gulf of Tonken so he could send 50,000 Americans to die in Vietnam. But a lot of progressive Democrats were against the war. Clinton stopped a genocide and a lot of progressive Democrats (and even some Republicans) opposed that action in the Balkans. And there were a LOT–a majority of elected Democrats–who opposed the Iraq war. So, if you want to help trim the sails on our bloated empire, vote for Democrats. Because, besides Rand Paul (for liberty unless you’re a pregnant woman and then he gets to force you to do what he wants), the GOP is interventionist. The Democrats, on the other hand, have a Blue Dog wing that’s hawkish, and a progressive wing that’s not. I’m trying to get more progressives into power.

            What are you doing? Voting for authoritarian hippie punching war mongers?

            “You are of the generation that trys so hard to see the shiny that you overlook the dull. ”

            I’m fifty. And I see plenty of dull. Mostly dull. It’s sad. But there are a few shining stars…

            “all I have seen from you is a reach around”

            I don’t like the drone war. I don’t like the other wars. I don’t like the big wet kiss to the health insurance industry called Obamacare–I prefer Medicare for all, or a public option. I don’t like the Patriot Act, which Obama signed because Republicans, not Democrats, gave him the votes he needed on that POS.

            Keep reading, and you’ll see me criticize this president for all kinds of things.

            “He has pushed the repair bill onto future generations in a way that makes the Bush era costs small by comparisons.”

            This is demonstratably false. The deficit, which was over a trillion when Bush left, has fallen a lot under Obama (interestingly, a poll showed that less than 10% of Americans knew that, and most wrongly thought it had grown). Health care spending, THE REASON FOR ALL FUTURE DEBT PROJECTIONS, is falling. We spend twice as much per person on health care than the rest of the civilized world. If we spent even close to what they spend, we’d have surpluses as far as we could calculate, even at current low tax levels and high pentagon spending.

            So, no… falling deficit. Falling health care costs… all good news for the future Americans who will STILL BE PAYING FOR THE IRAQ WAR. Of course, the real cost of the war is all the people still dying: people being killed by extremists we unleashed with deBathification and disbanding the Iraqi army (one of the bonehead moves of the century); soldiers and veterans with PTSD killing themselves; interest on the trillions Bush borrowed to blow in Iraq; crumbling infrastructure that money could have gone to fix… ALL BUSH’s FAULT. In fact, the debt that’s accrued under Obama is all Bush’s. Left overs from the upper class tax cuts, the war, TARP, the Little Bush Depression, all that wouldn’t have had to be spent if Bush hadn’t continued, and even put on steroids, the Reaganomics that’s been screwing us all for decades now.

            “He has done terrible by foreign policy and that is an understatement when compared to the previous administrations besides Carter.”

            You think Carter was good on foreign policy? OK… he was the only President who never killed a foreigner with the US military (although it could be argued that Washington didn’t). But other than that, Carter was screwed by having to deal with angry Iranians who had elected a leader that we overthrew and then replaced with the Shah they hated. So, Carter was screwed by Eisenhower. But Obama killed Bin Laden, which I consider a success that Bush never got, despite saying he would. Obama has continued to avoid any ground wars or invasions anything near the scale Bush did, or the Cheney people still want to do in Iran. And, by the way, all those Cheney people were working for Willard “What’s Hemp?” Romney, and we’d be watching our soldiers fight a counterinsurgency in Iran right now if he’d have gotten elected.

            So, no… Obama’s been pretty damn pragmatic. A little too hawkish for me, but considerably less hawkish than the alternatives or his predecessors.

            “Dude you can continue to stroke the guy but it wont make a difference.”

            Your creepy sex analogies aside, I will say it again: I blame people for what they should be blamed for, and I praise them for what they should be praised for. If you refuse to see me doing that, at least don’t lie about me because you lack the information necessary to make a coherent analysis.

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            Congratulations! You’ve broken the political code that these people in office wish you hadn’t.
            But odds are most people won’t be as astute or diligent in their search for the facts as you have been.
            Stay tuned…

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            Grab a clue and check the math–many people have stopped looking for employment but are unemployed, yet they aren’t figured into the bottom line percentage.

            Politicians use math all of the time to make a point, but only in a way they prefer to emphasize it.
            Bogus comes to mind…

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            People leaving the workforce is a good thing for those left in the workforce. A lower supply of labor will make wages, which have been stuck in neutral since Reagan, go up. And many of those people are leaving the workforce because they’re aging baby boomers who, now that they can get affordable health coverage from the exchanges, can leave the job they were only keeping in order to get health care (this is know as Job Lock). Those people are now free to spend more time with their families, their grandchildren, to travel, and generally be happier than they were locked in a job they didn’t want in order to keep their health care coverage.

            So, what’s Bogus is your Bullshit.

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            Except that the people who’ve stopped looking for work in this hopeless economy still have to feed their families somehow…which means public assistance and charity at best, and criminal activities at worst.

            Before you break open the “but, DUBYA!” whine cask, there’s something YOU, Steve Supak, and every other American needs to know. The issue IS NOT Right vs. Left, liberal vs. conservative. The power struggle is between We the People and those who hold the reins of power in this country and in this world.

            The criminals in power in this country and others want to keep you and I busy debating one another, so we won’t notice them passing laws and signing treaties that will, if they haven’t already, make our Constitution and Bill of Rights useless and meaningless.

            We ALL need to spend more energy finding COMMON GROUND. Until we do this, we can never move forward as a nation or even as a species. Until we recognize that WE’RE BEING PLAYED, our rights and freedoms will continue to deteriorate.

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            “Except that the people who’ve stopped looking for work in this hopeless economy still have to feed their families somehow”

            A lot of these people are people who wanted to retire early but couldn’t because of job lock in order for them to stay covered. Now that they can buy plans on the exchange, they CAN retire early.

            But, yes, there are people at the bottom of this economy who are struggling. But this isn’t new. It’s the direct result of the trickle down economics that’s been practiced by Republicans and Centrist Democrats since Reagan. From union busting to NAFTA, from a high dollar policy to keeping the supply of labor high compared to the available jobs, they’ve done their best to keep wages down, and they’ve succeeded.

            “which means public assistance and charity at best, and criminal activities at worst.”

            Basic economics: create a massive recession, larger than the last 4 combined, and a lot of people lose their jobs. The safety net expands to take care of them, we deficit spend on the safety net and infrastructure, which makes up for all the lost demand in the economy. The infrastructure investments more than pay for themselves in the long run, so we should be doing a lot more of that.

            If terrorists were killing as many Americans as our crumbling infrastructure, how much would the GOP be willing to borrow and spend on invading the wrong country?

            And, interest rates are low, the deficit is down, materials and labor costs are low, fuel prices are dropping… hell, the markets are screaming at us to invest in infrastructure, but the GOP–the guys who always preach about the wisdom of the markets–are ignoring them and calling for more invasions in the middle east.

            “Before you break open the “but, DUBYA!” whine cask, there’s something YOU, Steve Supak”

            I don’t know who Steve Supak is, but when did we stop blaming people for screwing up? People did things that really screwed us all, and somehow we’re at the point where we say, Oh, well, this guy’s in charge, so it must all be his fault. Hell, some people now say W was a great president. Honestly, who thinks this way? We were lied into a war that will cost many trillions by the time we pay for it all–like the health care of those who were wounded and the interest on all the money borrowed… all for what? An even more destabilized middle east that they tell us we need to borrow and spend more on fighting?

            “he issue IS NOT Right vs. Left, liberal vs. conservative. ”

            Go to politicalcompass.org. Take the test. See where you fall on the compass, and see that besides the left-right axis, which is basically about economics, there is a Y axis that measures authoritarianism vs libertarianism. As you might guess, I’m in the lower left quadrant, leftist-libertarian. With Ghandi.

            “The power struggle is between We the People and those who hold the reins of power in this country and in this world.”

            So, yes, I agree, that the authoritarians who run the world need an occasional (at least) reality check from the rest of us. That’s why I vote for Progressives who want to get the money out of politics. Bernie Sanders has a proposed Amendment that would do just that. Overrule Citizens United. I suggest we all ask the people running for office who want our votes if they’d support his amendment. And I suggest we vote for those people. It’s probably the most important thing we could do right now.

            “We ALL need to spend more energy finding COMMON GROUND”

            I’ve tried. I can’t find common ground with people who want more war, more prisons, more control by the government over people’s lives. I can’t find common ground with people who support prohibition, or the Patriot Act, or overturning Roe v Wade. I can find no common ground with people who, like Governor Brownback of Kansas, promise a wonderful world of job growth and abundance if we just cut taxes on the rich, and raise them on the poor; even when his “experiment” fails, he refuses to see the fact that it has failed, and he doubles down on the very thing that caused the failure.

            They need to get real, and come back toward the middle. They’re the ones who’ve refused to compromise. Mitch McConnell said, when Obama got elected, that his number one goal was to make him a one term president. He and his minions didn’t care about compormise. They turned their back on what had been their own proposals! And the data is clear… it is the right that has gotten extreme, not both sides. The left has tried to compromise all over the place to get some infrastructure spending, the GOP has refused it at every turn, and then elitists like David Brooks just lie and say BOTH sides want infrastructure spending.

            And, like so many others, despite being wrong time and time again, David Brooks gets to keep his cush job and big paycheck. Merit doesn’t matter.

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            Duh! What Romney promised?! Are you kidding?! That’s a valid fact?!

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          What a load. When Obama took over, GDP was NEGATIVE 9% and job losses were 800,000 a month. But, hey, let’s be fair to old W who lied us into a war that borrowed and blew over $2 trillion we could have used on infrastructure. Bush’s NON-RECESSION monthly job growth averaged 68,000 jobs. That’s pitiful, in case you’re wondering. Obama’s is over double that.

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            If you really believe any of the math-supported rants being rolled out on occasion, then you’ve been duped.

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            Ah, so now you’re a numbers “truther.” You don’t think Bush ruined the economy? You don’t believe the Economist when they say, reporting the ACTUAL numbers, that GDP was NEGATIVE 9% when he left? That job losses were 800,000 a month? You think everything was just hunky dory after Bush and Obama came along and ruined everything?

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        You can’t believe the current one is good for the country.
        This is one of the most non-transparent, lying administrations in our history.

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          Throw michelle leonhart on top of that heap.

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          Any evidence for this statement? Did we get lied into a $2 trillion dollar war that maimed and killed millions?

          What’s the matter? Upset that your boy W screwed up so bad that it makes Democrats look better?

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          The Republican Party of the 1/10 of a Percent has brought this great County to it’s knees by overseeing the destruction of the middle class, etc.. The Democrats cynically await Latino majority for their day in the sun. It’s all too ugly.

          We have been divided and conquered. We are now fractions of Americans. What happened to the solidarity?

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        Just think what would it be like if prision bound (perry),christian (cruz) missile or christy creme had been president for 2 terms

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      If you really believe any politician or their appointees, then you’re likely to start bidding on that bridge they want to sell you as well…

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    What people in power say doesn’t always reflect their real feelings on a subject. When Gary Johnson was the outgoing republican governor of NM, he announced his ideas on drugs and legalization of cannabis, which went totally against his party lines, as well as what many democrats thought at the time. If he did this during his terms of office, or as an election topic, he not only would NOT have been elected twice, but he would also threaten any other important, forward moving agendas in the state. At that time, he was uprooting the “good old boy” club that had been running the state for decades, which was HUGE, especially since the “club” members were not forward thinking, nor did they support any legalization efforts.

    When he did announce his real feelings, he came under a helluva lot of condemnation, but stood his ground and backed up his opinion with facts that could not really be disputed, however hard they tried. That was in 2003. Four years later the state legislature passed the NM Medical Cannabis Program.

    I am grateful that Eric Holder is stepping out now, however optimistically cautious he is, and we all have to agree that anyone the elephants would have put in place had they won, would be far worse. I don’t condemn him for not coming out sooner, and hope he has more to say about the subject before he leaves the spotlight. There was a lot to be done in the Justice Dept, and I am also grateful he has gotten at least some of what needed to be done, done. I really wish it could have been more.

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      Holder is just another political puppet that does and says what he’s told by the administration handlers.
      Buying into this dribble is a waste of energy and eventually results in the usual–nothing.

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    I understand and even empathize with Germans who were afraid to oppose the Nazis and remained silent. But they were cowards nonetheless and the world suffered at the hands of their cowardice. Eric Holder, like most unremarkable people, is one such coward.

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      Facts, it seems, are not your friends. And your violation of Godwin’s law is hilarious, and expected, since this conversation has gone on for a while now…

      http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/09/eric-holder-will-announce-resignation-thursday-107504.html

      > Holder aggressively enforced the Voting Rights Act, addressed drug-sentencing guidelines that led to disparities between white and black convicts, extended legal benefits to same-sex couples and refused to defend a law that allowed states to disregard gay marriages. He oversaw the decision to prosecute terror suspects in U.S. civilian courts instead of at Guantanamo Bay and helped establish a legal rationale for lethal drone strikes on suspects overseas.

      There’s plenty more he did if you cared to teach yourself the facts.

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      Do you really need to go there? Those are some wild comments. I wonder how many “Germans” died for resisting the Nazis?

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    He’s always talked a good game, same as the president, and neither one of them has come through on their promises. They merely make an occasional and meaningless TV news rant that amounts to essentially nothing.

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      Bull. We have health care reform. Wall Street reform. We have more gay rights. We have sentencing reform. We have the DOJ telling states they can go on with their marijuana legalization. We have the DOJ telling states they won’t interfere with their online gambling laws. We have all kinds of things they’ve done. Just because you ignore them, or lie about them, or don’t like what they’ve done, that doesn’t mean they didn’t do anything.

      Here, try to argue with Steve Benen on this, if you can:

      http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/holder-puts-things-right-terrorist-trials

      > Attorney General Eric Holder’s legacy on progressive policy is often under-appreciated. As we talked about last month, the A.G. has shown real, consequential leadership, for example, on the issue of LGBT rights. He’s challenged Republican restrictions on voting rights. He’s fought for sentencing reforms. He’s condemned “Stand Your Ground” laws and showed effective leadership during the crisis in Ferguson. He cleared the way for Colorado and the state of Washington to pursue marijuana legalization. He’s worked to reverse the disenfranchisement of the formerly incarcerated.

      > But Matt Apuzzo this week highlighted an aspect of Holder’s work that’s every bit as important: shifting terrorism trials back to American courts.

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        “He’s challenged Republican restrictions on voting rights” Oh you mean having ID so they cant vote twice or be illegals or dead? Yeah because IDs are so immoral and restricting to the minorities. Its so hard for a person of color to have an ID …. that they MUST use to drive, have a cell phone, get medical care, buy a plane ticket, receive state and federal aid, go to school, everything under the sun EXCEPT vote. slow clap clap clap…

        Stand your ground laws, Ferguson???? Seriously???? That leadership???? OMG I am amazed, now what about all the other scandals and various nefarious behavior that he was involved in or should I say ignored? What about our border security? What about our gang problems? What about our police getting out of hand and investigating their own criminal behavior? What about the Marine sitting in Mexico for so long that I am ashamed for Obama and Holders inaction. How about that IS action? Fast and Furious was a great movie series but didn’t work out so well for US. It keeps going and don’t go back to Bush, that’s a cop out at this point. Obama and Holder have had 6 years to do their thing and have messed up more than they have helped. So how are those health care reform numbers looking now? Funny how you don’t hear much except …
        >>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/03/28/the-insiders-is-obamacare-working/<<>>http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2014/03/14/this-is-obamacare-working-the-way-it-should/<<>>http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/22/real-story-much-obamacare-increased-coverage/<<&lt;
        The numbers game spins both ways. Enrollment is up BUT its not exactly what the MSM says it is. Funny how they now work like state run media outlets instead of independent reporting agencies. I guess that's what happens when big business runs the media and the government. Oh yeah Obamas gonna fix that to… maybe after that next round of golf. Maybe.

        The step back method of making changes in Washington and Colorado and all the other reform states is nice, to bad they did have the balls to actually back them up with legislation that did something besides doing nothing. Of course that is the way things go. I admit I would much rather have Obama than Romney but that does not mean I like Obamanomics or am going to defend this guys poor policy.

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          “Oh you mean having ID so they cant vote twice or be illegals or dead?”

          Show me the examples of this happening.

          “Its so hard for a person of color to have an ID”

          It’s not just minorities. It’s older people, younger people. Lots of people never had any need for one, don’t get one, don’t like the government making them have one (some conservatives are that way).

          “Stand your ground laws, Ferguson???? Seriously???? ”

          Yes, we liberals are happy about the things he did on those subjects.

          “What about our border security?”

          What about it? That’s not the AG’s job, wingnut.

          “What about our gang problems? ”

          What about them? I bet if you dig, you could find some things he did on those issues. Just because you didn’t hear about them doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

          “Fast and Furious”

          Bullshit rantings of right wing lunatics. And it was a Bush program.

          “The step back method of making changes in Washington and Colorado and all the other reform states is nice”

          And not something any Republican would have done.

          “to bad they did have the balls to actually back them up with legislation ”

          Too bad you don’t understand that your friends in the GOP run the House and they will not vote for any legislation helping those states. However, over 90% of Democrats voted with about 20% of Repulicans on legislation that keeps the DEA out of state medicinal programs, and allows banks to take deposits from Pot shops.

          But maybe you didn’t hear about that, even though I’ve mentioned it about a dozen times now.

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            Your passion for some of these issues is obvious, and I applaud that. I think what we’re failing to realize it’s that the fight is not between the left and the right. The fight is between us and them: average Americans working hard to provide for our families vs. people in power with money and influence. These people have never had to struggle, and they view us all as expendable. There are a few crusaders who make it to Capitol Hill, but the culture of corruption is so strong that many fall prey to it.

            I don’t know what the solution is, but I know we’d better start finding common ground and working together against these people. They do NOT have our best interests at heart.

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            “These people have never had to struggle”

            Some of them most certainly have.

            There are all kinds of fights. Left and right is a good one. So is authoritarian vs libertarian. And “average Americans” include people on all sides of those arguments. There are people who work hard to provide for their families on ALL sides of these arguments. This is a result of people having different ideas of how to run things. Some people want to let states discriminate against gay people. Some people want to force women to give birth to rape babies. I can’t get along with those people on that, so I’ll fight them, thank you very much.

            But right now, our biggest problem, and LOTS of people will admit this on ALL sides, is that the Republicans are crazy. They’ve lost it. Look at long time DC writer Norm Ornstein’s now famous piece about the real problem being that the Republicans have gone crazy. Look at the research from the Vote View people that show just how very far right the GOP has moved, while the Democrats are right in their historic range.

            Look at the fact that people like David Brooks and GOP Governors are saying that we all agree this is a good time to invest in infrastructure. But if the GOP congress passed infrastructure spending bills, they know it would help the economy, which would make Obama look good, which would help Hillary get elected.

            So, the GOP refuses to pass infrastructure bills, and the whole country crumbles.

            So, if you want to find politicians to find common ground and work together, then I suggest you punish the side that refuses to do that.

            Unless, for some reason, you prefer to keep voting for them.

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            Nope. As I said, we need to go after the criminals. Too many people want to spend time proving themselves right. What a waste.

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          Get Corporate money out of politics and you will see BIG changes in both party’s! It will end a lot of corruption in politics and get the government back working for the people once again! Until we do that Cannabis will never be legal across the U.S. and politicians will continue to work for corporations instead of for the people, regardless of which party you believe in!

          Wolf-Pac.com

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    Some of my comments are disappearing. It’s bad enough I have to answer this idiot who offers no proof, but it would really suck if I had to do it twice. Perhaps an administrator could look to see if any of my comments have been trapped for moderation?

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      I’ve seen several of your rantings. All you seem to care about is 100% loyalty to the Democrat political party and anyone that is a member of it. In your eyes, no Democrat can do wrong and no Republican can do right. You are what’s wrong with America. You should probably post on political boards where they like that sort of thing.

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        “All you seem to care about is 100% loyalty to the Democrat political party”

        What I care about are the issues I think are important. When I look at politician’s positions on the issues, I see that the democrats do more of what I want, while the Republicans do none of it. In fact, they do the opposite. But these are generalizations. If I ever found a pro-choice, pro-public investment, anti-war, pro-weed, pro-worker, pro-minimum wage Republican who was running against a democrat who was the opposite of all that, then I’d vote Republican.

        That’s never happened.

        “In your eyes, no Democrat can do wrong and no Republican can do right.”

        Bullshit. You’re just making stuff up, man. I have never said that, and, in fact, I have mentioned many things about some Democrats I don’t like, like the Blue Dogs Landrieu… Schultz… Pryor… and even then, though, they’re better than the Republicans that would replace them.

        But I say plenty about what’s wrong with Democrats, and I have praised Republicans for their votes when they vote the way I prefer.

        ” You are what’s wrong with America. ”

        Actually, you just lied about me. You attributed things to me that just came flying out of your head with no basis in reality.

        You’re what’s wrong with America. Bullshitters. People who just say whatever conveys the impression they want to convey about themselves. Truth or falsity don’t matter. Just make stuff up…

        “You should probably post on political boards where they like that sort of thing.”

        This IS a political board. This post is about the AG. Weed is made illegal by politicians. They write the laws. Any blog that wants to change those laws is, by definition, a political one.

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        Hey YEAH!! You Democrats should all be locked up with the Potheads! ;-)

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    It’s amazing how many politicians and law enforcement retirees will now come out in favor of legalization, but when they had the actual chance to do something about it, they chose not too in fear of backlash if they stood up for what is the right thing to do.

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