Mar 172015
 March 17, 2015

california marijuanaMarijuana legalization in California is long overdue. California first voted on marijuana legalization in 2010. Proposition 19 failed on Election Day, but it started the conversation in California and beyond about what it would take to successfully legalize marijuana. Since then California marijuana legalization has failed to gain traction. No initiative made the ballot in 2012 or 2014. 2016 is the year that many activists and organizations are aiming for, but competing initiatives could doom California’s legalization efforts, as it has in the past.

There are currently four campaigns working to legalize marijuana in California. Below is a brief description of each, per SF Gate:

The group behind the Marijuana Control, Legalization and Revenue Act of 2014 – which failed to gather enough signatures to appear on the ballot in 2014 — announced today that they want public input on 2016 language. The group wants to be the most inclusive, they say, and is using an open Google Document to solicit ideas.

The MCLR’s announcement follows opening moves by a second group that failed to make the ballot in 2014, or 2012, or 2010 — the California Cannabis Hemp Initiative. That group promises to legalize twelve pounds of pot for personal use and has been working to stoke its base by appearing in a string of videos by HashBar TV.

Thirdly, Californians can now review the California Artisan Cannabis Initiative – 2016 which comes from Northern California lawyer Omar Figueroa, who also participated in failed initiative efforts in years past. The CACI hopes to protect small farmers from post-legalization competition by bigger businesses.

Lastly, there is the most credible group, ReformCA — also called the Coalition for Cannabis Policy Reform. ReformCA comprises the coalition that formed during 2010-s Proposition 19, and includes California NORML, the NAACP, and Oaksterdam University. ReformCA is working with the Marijuana Policy Project and the Drug Policy Alliance, and has been focused on conducting stakeholder meetings in northern and southern California.

California is going to be the most expensive state to get an initiative passed in. Estimates are as high as 20 million dollars. A volunteer-only effort is not going to be enough to get on the ballot, nor is a medium-sized financial foundation. If California is going to legalize, it needs to be an ‘all hands on deck’ effort, and everyone needs to work together. I get that there are multiple visions for what marijuana legalization should look like in California, but something needs to happen to bring everyone together. Even the most well financed drug reform organizations can’t do it on their own. It would be a shame to see another election pass without a legalization vote in California. I will be keeping my fingers crossed that a fair, reasonable solution is found.

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  114 Responses to “Four Different Initiatives In California Could Doom Marijuana Legalization In 2016”

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    We want it as good or better than Prop 215. We will not be taking any risks leading to situations similar as to what’s going on in Washington State with them trying to shut down MMJ and having a mediocre recreational law. Don’t expect legalization in California until the big greedy organizers get a grip on what the people and this economy wants. I’m getting sick of the whining and excuses they’re giving us every election cycle as to why they can’t get a good legalization ballot going in California, since 2012. Guess we will wait until 2018.

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      Nonsense. The best initiative is the one that has the greatest probability to win. – EVERYONE should get behind ReformCA and make it happen.

      Nothing is cast in stone. We will continue to refine marijuana policy until it reaches its optimum form, just as we did with alcohol after ending ITS prohibition.

      It’s amazing that a group of greedy ego-maniacs could keep California from joining the free states!

      I predict that if CA reformers can’t make it happen in 2016, there will be a huge exodus from this dysfunctional state. I will certainly make a note of those “businesses” who block progress and urge a boycott against them

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        Nobody cares when it’s so easy to get a med card.

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          Of course, they do. People don’t like having to lie just to buy some pot. They also don’t like have to lurk in the shadows like criminals when consuming it. And they don’t like paying outrageous prices for a plant.

          The 46 percent of the vote earned by Prop 19 in an off-presidential election shows this is true.

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            Ok, maybe they do care but California is the only state where pro-weed people will vote against legalization because of fear that big corps will come in and put small business/growers out of business.

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            No. It’s not the only state. This cancer was hard at work in Colorado, Washington and Oregon. Fortunately, it was not strong enough to defeat freedom there.

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            It’s because the people of those states got wise to their game.

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        CA grows and exports so much herb that it goes for $1500 to $1600 a Lb for top grade on the east coast. All the growers and shops motivated by greed instead of compassion will not let anything pass that takes a dollar from from their greedy hands

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          So, anybody who earns money, directly or indirectly, from Cannabis is “Greedy”? Even from the East Coast I can see a breadwinner still has to support a family – and we all need to support ourselves. Try on somebody else’s shoes once in a while.

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            They are greedy if they act against marijuana reform. They are maintaining high prices at the cost of their ‘precious’ customers’ freedom.

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            Hey Jah, earning money alone does not make one greedy, I agree. But when some of these growers feel that they need prohibition to protect their turf, that’s where I draw the line! In my view they have become a 5th column.

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            Forgive me for wondering, but in a situation where everyone gets to vote, how many greedy Northern Californian growers does it take to vote down Legalization?

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            Forgive me, I don’t understand the premise of your question, unless you’re just trolling and don’t want have a decent discussion. Perhaps you can ask some of those folks in Northern California sporting bumper stickers that read, “Support Emerald Triangle Growers. Keep Marijuana Illegal.” Maybe those folks can answer your query better than I. Why should I support growers that want me jailed or fined? Anyways I am of the opinion that growers that are against legalization are like Chickens for Colonel Sanders. If California doesn’t want to legalize, the rest of the country will move on without California. The Emerald Triangle is not the only game in town.

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            I’m not trolling. I am interested in the topic, and interested in learning more. Right now, everyone in the East is watching what’s going on out West. It matters to everyone. I also try to understand the issues from every perspective.

            I ask this question because I am a scientist and a skeptic. I couldn’t respect myself, or this conversation if I didn’t ask it. I get the irritating nature of the bumper stickers. I’m just wondering how many of these hated NoCal growers it takes, statistically, to send the Legalization vote down the tubes. People are smart enough to see a conflict of interest, and take those bumper stickers with a grain of salt. I don’t vote Republican just because you have a Romney bumper sticker.

            Now, I’m not trying to piss on the hate-fest. I’m just wondering if it’s really worth the energy. Do you commenters seriously think the farmers of NoCal have the power to outvote the rest of the State?

            As for jontomas, you sir, are confused. Nobody is stopping anybody from growing their own. Many folks who appreciate Cannabis also think ‘Capitalism’ as you love it, is just disgustingly predatory. Ultimately, everybody loses. Insurance companies don’t improve health care – good doctors do. The quality goes down, and ultimately the prices go up. The salaried employee and the Shareholder do alright, while your local economy has most of the cash vacuumed out of it. That’s BS!

            We have an opportunity to set up a very positive economy with regards to Cannabis – and if you think the genie is going back into the corporate bottle after you uncork it… Well, you sound like a greedy corporate shill to me.

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            Hey Jah, if I’m a greedy corporate shill, I’m still waiting on my check. You sound like a Trotskyite neocon to me, if we are going to play the assumption game. Whether Norcal gowers had the power to vote down or not numerically is only a small part of the problem. The real problem was that many of them were very vocal about being against legalization and were doing happy dances when 19 failed. How may people they influenced with that cynical attitude into voting against their interests is the real question that you should have asked. Now, I realize that there are wonderful growers of goodwill that are unafraid of legalization and want to end the tyranny. I say merci beaucoup to them! I’m not hating on Norcal Growers, I’m just trying to understand the sociopathy behind some of them who prefer the current criminal status quo of prohibition. Actually I’m not a capitalist, in the neoliberal sense of the word. I support parties like Syriza, Podemos and Jobbik.

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            *many

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            Feeling a little guilty Jah? I never said everyone was greedy, I stated ” All the growers and shops motivated by greed instead of compassion will not let anything pass that takes a dollar from from their greedy hands” So if this offended you you must be in the group I was speaking of.

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            I thought that still sounded like a blanket statement; a generalization, and generalizations are never fair. No I don’t feel guilty. I’m skilled, and I’m generous. I also know how much I have invested, how hard I work, what my actual expenses are, the vagaries of being a farmer, the legal risks I have taken, and the losses I have endured. Those were some expensive lessons!

            Most of the trash talking seems to come from young men who don’t have the experience to know better.

            I’ve asserted this here before – include other people’s genuine concerns in your calculations. Figure out a way to be supportive of the people who bring you inspiring medicine at the same time you are loudly beating the drum for the consumer.

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            Brother Jah, My statement was not a blanket one, but a direct one. I agree with all the points you made. I am not a young man, And we have a lot in common as growers. If anything I am way too generous to the point of giving it away for free to those that cannot afford it with real medical problems. I just get by when all is said and done, I am sure I could make as much from a shitty job I hate. But I love my job, my connection with nature, and of course helping people. I have served time for providing meds to sick children. I am a true Martyr for the cause. Best to you in all your endeavors.

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            Well that shut him up!!!!!!

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            I hope the future of the Cannabis economy stays with dedicated small-scale growers. They create the best flowers, and keep the money in the local economy. I’m looking for win-win-win solutions. Mentoring by experienced growers could improve the quality of the product for everyone. The potential is for thousands (tens of thousands?) of citizens to have decent paying jobs, and the ability to support themselves, their families, and their communities. This is what I hope to see. And my best wishes to you!

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          You are so right and put the finger on the single biggest roadblock to prop 19. With legalization comes less profits. These people will obfuscate the issues to the point where nothing gets past. Which will suit them just fine.

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          That’s way too cheap , i know guys who get rid of there top shelf for 2,800 to 3,000 here in California . In the East it should be worth 4k to 5k.

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            True its cheaper than CA. Thats because some of the people doing it are motivated and compassion instead of greed. Outdoor is only getting $1000 to $1200 a lb in humboldt. Indoor much more.

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    How about an initiative that just leaves everyone the fuck alone and puts no restriction on how much you grow, consume, etc…? Easy as pie. And the world would go on and the sky wouldn’t fall just like nature goes on with it growing in the wild.

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      Yes. We’d all like that. – Unfortunately, reform is a process, not an event. The best way to get there is to unite behind ReformCA.

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        If ReformCA is the best way to get to our desired goal why is it the only initiative that is not revealing its content? I can read what MCLR and CCHI are proposing but why not CCPR? It makes me feel there’s a hidden agenda lurking in the darkness.

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          I think its because they’re still working on writing their initiative. They’ve been holding legalization roundtable meetings all over the state to hear opinions and suggestions from Californians so that they can write an initiative that everyone will be happy with. They’re holding another meeting in West Hollywood tomorrow, so they’re still getting input from everyone.

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      The only honest and reasonable thing to do is to allow the unlimited growth and possession of the cannabis plant and its harvests. Any restriction will come with the wasteful, immoral, and selective eforcement of the restrictions upon those who violate these unconstitutional restrictions. Government can help make our world a more abundant place. Corrupting government to create artificial scarcity is immoral and self defeating in the long run. What if such ideas spread into industries such as food production? Diverting government from vital tasks such as managing adequate infrastructure, food, and energy through “sin tax” style price gauging cannabis regulation/ prohibition policies tends to raise the costs of the necessities of life. Cartels must not be rewarded for 80 years of suppressing industrial hemp.
      The government has more important tasks than enforcing limits on self – provision of cannabis. Not all people who may be part of a “greedy corporation” are proponents of overregulation. There are actually a lot of wealthy people with enough sense to want to live in a society without artificial scarcity and who want to benefit from the innovation and undercut pricing that comes along with actual real competition.
      Buying influence to create artificial scarcity of cannabis is not a part of a free market system which encourages innovation and competitively priced quality products. Such is not even part of a facist system – only corrupt communists and their naive slaves would advocate for as much.
      I hypothesize that the cartels who are trying to have an outright and in the open monopoly of the cannabis industry are much the same groups who have been giving people criminal records and imprisoning them for buying their products. If not disempowered, they may well come up with other dishonest ways of giving the American population criminal records and high rates of imprisonment. I personally have reason to believe they are already attempting to do this to some.
      The only honest and reasonable thing to do is to let people grow and posess cannabis without any limits at all. Any restrictions will come with the interrupted lives and wasted dollars of enforcing upon those who will violate the restrictions. A restricted cannabis market equates to continued high rates of pharmeceutical dispersal, which as we know results in more American deaths than all “illegal” drugs do combined. Cannabis can not kill, and alcohol can. There are not ridiculous limits on the stockpiling and self provision on alcohol, and there most certainly should not be on cannabis. In fact, it is potentially misleading to even compare cannabis to alcohol. Alcohol is so harmful that it is not really comparable at all to unpoisoned cannabis.
      As industrial hemp finally becomes legal, state residents should embrace the fact that their neighbooring states growing hemp means that the whole country (and world) can benefit from economies of scale. We must not let the anti – free market, price – gauging – of – their – often underprivelaged comsumers – corrupt “communist” style – cartels and their bag running slaves stand in the way of industrial hemp. It takes a dellusional naivity to think that decitfully justifying limits on cannabis, be it for hemp or “pot”, would not self incriminate one in a free – market country such as the United States.

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    Multiple initiatives dooming California’s legalization chances (again)? It’s beginning to sound like a broken record. I guess California’s closed medical marijuana market which denies access and reciprocity to out of state residents is just too good to change. If I visit California, I can get a prescription for Oxycodone, but yet I can’t get one for medical marijuana. Now, tell me how good this prop 215 regime is great again just for old time’s sake. Currently an out of state rec user seeing all those medical only stores would probably feel like a eunuch in an orgy. Open your market California!

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    I suspect some smart political strategists have figured that a great option for stalling marijuana legalization is to try to keep the pro-legalization opposition fragmented.

    Writing from Idaho, I can tell you that we’d welcome anything at all.. some decriminalization, medical access, even CBD-only oil would be huge progress. The view from here is that to stomp your foot and say “unregulated legalization or nothing” means you prefer to keep the current prohibition.

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      Thanks for that realistic perspective. It’s greatly lacking here. – Sometimes, I think we should make the restrictions VERY stringent for medical marijuana, where only true patients could obtain it.

      Perhaps then, the hundreds of thousands of consumers would start demanding and activating to end ALL of the fraudulent prohibition.

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        Just WHAT is a “real” patient? Terminal? AIDS?
        Hate to burst your superiority bubble, but all of Cannabis’s PREVENTATIVE benefits means that technically, EVERYONE is a patient(yes, even people who can’t afford their rec.)
        What I’m not a “real patient” because I don’t have cerebral ataxia or dementia or Parkinson’s YET?
        Move the fuck to NJ if you want to be somewhere only “real” patients have access.

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          No. I want EVERYONE to have access, but it is the greedy cabal of “medical marijuana” that is the largest obstacle.

          Calm down and read my post again.

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      I am back in Ga for 3 weeks and I have not slept for 3 hours straight the entire time, due to nerve pains and spasms. Those of us lucky enough to have access need to fight twice as hard for the people that still live behind the “Green Curtain”, there are people in Idaho and Ga and all the other states that are dying slow painful deaths and we cannot sit idly by and allow this torture of American citizens to continue.
      As for full legalization, I will be voting for the first time in my new home state of Ca. and I will support it completely. I have worked hard for 45 years, paid my damned taxes and yet I have been a second class citizen since 1978 because I chose to smoke pot and help my friends, that were all adults. I thank all the people in Ca that have helped make my life as a 420 refugee such a positive experience and I will do all I can to see to it that others can enjoy the same benefits I do now.

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    Can’t you guys just play nice and work together. You all have good issues but together they would be stronger. A good example is home brewing beer. Most states allow you to home brew up to 100 gal. of beer per year legal aged adult or 200 gal. For 2 adults. But not everyone home brews. There is no reason why Marijuana legalization can not be just like that. Who ever wants to grow there in can, and who ever wants to grow Comercial can with a Comercial license and people can have a choice grow your own personal or go to the store and buy it. The important thing is legalization and to not add poisons to it and keep major corporate out we don’t need for greedy cigarette manufacturers putting additives in mar9like they do tobacco.

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    I am trying to bridge the gap uniting the groups, we are having a LANORML meeting on Saturday, March 21st @ 10am to 2pm: 8749 Holloway Drive in West Hollywood, CA 90069. Each initiative has good points, let’s merge the strongest parts and do it with one clear voice of the people. JOIN US!

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    ReformCA shared the article that was quoted in this post on their Facebook page and they said “Our movement is much more unified than this article suggests. As our legalization roundtables have shown, many Californians are ready to unite behind a single, statewide campaign to legalize it in 2016.” Someone from ReformCA even said in an interview that was posted on here awhile back that reports of disunity within California’s legalization movement have been greatly exaggerated by the media and even bloggers like this. So I’m optimistic that everything will work out fine with getting a good legalization campaign going in California.

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      I have found this to be true in several situations. Johnny does his very, very best to keep us all informed to the best of his belief and ability. I, in a very friendly attitude, suggest if you want better accuracy; invest in The Weed Blog to the point he can sent reporters out scouting for the stories you have complaints against. Given the size of his operation, completed on his dime, and the longest running service of its kind he should be receiving awards at every cannabis cup in the country!!! On the sidebar you will see exactly how many people he touches daily, weekly, and monthly of course this includes your replies as well!!! Johnny is not reporting any idiotic “Fox News” type crap and is doing better than any other cubical worker for another “day job” with a very well read blog. Again I say, I am not making you out to be my enemy and I respect your obvious knowledge; I am merely pointing out that what he is doing is not free and to have any sort of staff, he will need donations as well as reporters!!! If you disagree, you can post, or you can donate!!! I suggest both :)

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        Yeah Johnny does great work and provides great info on the happenings of the cannabis industry and the legalization movement, I check the weed blog for new stories every day. I was just saying that I think California’s legalization efforts are more unified than this post suggests. The California Artisan Cannabis Initiative recently said on their Facebook that they disagree with the same article that was quoted in this post and that they support a unified effort, and I’m pretty sure MCLR does as well. The only group that hasn’t indicated that they support a unified effort is CCHI, and I don’t know how successful they’ll be since they are primarily a volunteer only effort and don’t have much campaign money. But the amount of signatures required to get on the 2016 ballot is 365,880 and CCHI said that they got around 324,000 signatures for the 2014 ballot, so who knows if it’ll be different this year.

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    The California Cannabis Hemp Initiative is promising to give everyone 12 pounds of cannabis? Much better than a chicken in every pot – I’m moving back to California if they win! What, they just want you to be able to HAVE 12 pounds? Never mind. ReformCA seems more like reality.

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    I work for Water Resources Agricultural Water Use Efficiency. I’ve been a Resource Environmental Scientist for 17 years. Yes. I’ve read all the initiatives.Industrial Hemp has a perfect home in the San Joaquin Valley below the delta. Millions of unfarmed and fallow agriculture acres ARE READY. Precious medicinal cannabis will flourish in the north. The wine-grape is a perfect model for California Agricultural management of cannabis. To exclude HEMP is selfish and limiting and wrong for our state. The economic benefit is proven and we have enough land to provide resources and economic stability to every disadvantaged farming community in the state. Get on board. CCHI2016 is the ONLY initiative that clearly recognized the resources fullest potential.

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      Our primary goal is to stop all forms of “punishment” of marijuana consumers. – Everything else can wait.

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      One of my friends in /near San Diego is on board with cchi2016!!! She is a trusted friend, an anti-corporate rip-off, and a truly wonderful person!!! I was waiting for this to be mentioned as this is the right boat and the right direction to row!!! I will support this initiative 100% as she wanted me to move to SoCali and be her Master Grower!!! Unfortunately my medical condition is very sensitive to hot weather and my doctor wants me to move to Portland or Seattle area when possible!!!

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      thats twice here you shit out your resume, what a weak flake

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    More victims of the process. Or is it just plain old “first to worst”?? Maybe California IS (in it’s present form) ungovernable…

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    “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand”

    Unless a collaborative approach is taken, and compromises yielded such that a not quite perfect but “good enough” single initiative is placed on the ballot, 2016 will be another year in which legalization bypasses California.

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      Unfortunately, that’s just what the greedy growers want. – We’ve got to find a way to marginalize the avaricious traitors.

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    The LAST campaign devolved into a pathetic pissing contest. Everyone in the boat, please… row in the same direction !

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    Every responsible adult in California over the age of 18 already has access to medical cannabis for nearly any condition they deem it to be helpful for, including stress, anxiety and sleeping disorders. Google search ‘medical cannabis doctor’ and you will see the many inexpensive local medical cannabis doctor options you have to choose from. And yes, CA already taxes your medication the same as any other retail item you purchase. No one seems to talk about the millions upon millions of tax dollars CA has already been collecting for years. Stay active in local politics and don’t let greedy corporations take away your rights. (i’m just sayin’)

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      I WANT the “greedy corporations” to get involved. That is the sign we are getting close to our goal of normalizing marijuana.

      This is capitalist America, remember?

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        so according to jontomas: greedy corporations= Good “greedy growers”=bad
        your logic is FUCKED

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          Oh yeah this is the guy who wants to give “everyone” access by making it “very stringent” for “true” patients.

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            I simply want to remove the obstacles to marijuana re-legalization and freedom. – You can howl and moan all you want. It won’t change the fact you are contemptuously wrong and will be tossed onto the scrap-heap of history.

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            yup im so greedy for sharing my produce for FREE.
            I hope karma answers your forked tongue with access to ONLY no -high , chemmy, corporate BEESTERS.(the reason for getting to know who im sharing with is to NOT give brain dead traitors such as yourself a free ride and a chance to destroy MY gifts and blessings.)

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            I am so with your stance, Reefer that we could become fast friends in the advocacy camp. Jimmy Limo is right, if everyone in the boat is not rowing in the same general direction disaster is certain to be the result!!!

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            to all growers/ caregivers: “surgically” removing people like jontomas from your patient list may be a necessity lest he decide to “surgically” remove you.(hes in Cali like me, so if he tries this with me or any of my friends, he just might become “surgically” implanted in my compost heap.)

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          Acknowledging the operation of greed in American business is just accepting reality.
          Surgically removing the greed in marijuana retailers that has been an obstacle to freedom is just a political necessity. – Your tunnel vision is convenient for your own vicious greed.

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        your thought process is Prove marijuana can harm brain cells

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        Jon,

        There’s still an abundance of avaricious capitalist at a local level while still keeping this plant in the
        hands of the people.

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        I agree with you, Jon.

        There’s an interview by Russ Belville with Ethan Nadelmann, available on Youtube, in which Ethan says that the corporate monopoly ballot initiative in Ohio is a sign of maturity in the movement—that sooner or later we will have to deal with tough questions posed by corporatism. Nobody likes corporations but it’s inevitable.

        One positive aspect of corporations is that they will likely be a lobbying force to lift the arbitrary small possession limits, and be the largest influence to finally end federal prohibition.

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        Corporate pot is better than no pot.

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      I agree with John, legalization needs to happen in California. It would be good for the state and good for the legalization movement. You’re being kinda greedy yourself if you’re implying that things should stay the way they are in California just because the medical system is so loosely regulated.

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        The important thing to know about any form of
        state legalization is it will be followed by very strict regulations and
        taxations that will likely take away more rights than we currently have as
        citizens using cannabis medicinally. Cannabis has already been decriminalized
        in CA. While I understand everyone is desirous of full legalization, it still
        comes with dry counties that have the right to ban people from growing
        cannabis. The courts are much less likely to ban your medicine than they are to
        ban your recreational cannabis. Government works best by taxing your fun! While
        there are some people in this world using cannabis recreationally, I personally
        believe most individuals use it as a medicine, with or without a recommendation
        from a physician.

        I am a man of the people. I have been
        defending medical cannabis rights in CA for over 13 years. It’s been a right in
        CA to use medical cannabis for 20 years without greedy corporations taking
        over. There are so many aspects of this that people are overlooking; including
        the massive community benefits medical cannabis dispensaries operating as
        not-for-profits have in CA currently. The IRS has not changed its policy when
        it comes to selling drugs (cannabis) and banks will not allow us to conduct
        banking with them. States are charging up to 36% sales tax instead of the
        current 9.5% sales tax you pay now in CA. It’s important to note that
        pharmaceutical prescription medications in CA are not taxed at all. People
        should continue to have the right to grow their own medicine instead of
        corporate warehouse-only grows. Currently, we can take our medication anywhere
        a cigarette can be smoked in public (except on private property or on Federal
        parklands).

        Recreational stores in Washington and Colorado
        selling cannabis can’t even discuss the medical benefits of cannabis. I truly
        want this plant to be as free as everyone else but not if it means giving up
        the current freedoms I have as a patient already at the expense of corporate
        greed. If there were a capable plan to make medical cannabis federally
        permissible for the people, I would stand right behind it.

        If recreational legalization happens in CA,
        there will likely be more and more instances of people getting cannabis-related
        DUIs. Also, it would allow many people with destabilization and
        psychological issues, etc. to gain access to cannabis without difficulty,
        whereas in the current environment they would not be able to.

        All proposed legalization ultimately demonizes
        who I am and what I do for humanity, and puts cannabis inline with other
        substances found at corner liquor stores and tobacco shops.

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          “Also, it would allow many people with destabilization and
          psychological issues, etc. to gain access to cannabis without difficulty,
          whereas in the current environment they would not be able to.” Have you ever thought that those that have mental instability can benefit from cannabis? Anyways, that’s beside my point. Who the hell died and appointed you the cannabis gatekeeper? Who are you to tell me when and how I should use cannabis? Cannabis should be no more regulated than coffee, sorry if that offends your puritanical Calvinistic tendencies.

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          If recreational legalization happens in CA,
          there will likely be more and more instances of people getting cannabis-related
          DUIs. Also, it would allow many people with destabilization and
          psychological issues, etc. to gain access to cannabis without difficulty,
          whereas in the current environment they would not be able to.”

          You sound like a prohibitionist stating propaganda with that statement. There have been no increased instances of cannabis related DUIs in Colorado and Washington, and there wouldn’t be in California either if they legalized. People with those issues could also obtain it very easily now since its so easy for anyone to get a card in California. The other person who replied to you is also right, who the hell makes you the cannabis gatekeeper of California? People like you who want to keep things the way they are and are discouraging Californians to legalize are worse than the prohibitionists.

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            Solely looking at Colorado:

            Of more than 5,500 drug- and alcohol-related
            tickets served to impaired drivers in 2014,
            354 of them involved only marijuana.

            Lawmakers have $49 million new tax dollars to
            spend on new bills. There’s already jockeying for preferred bills, with
            particular focus on creating a felony for repeat DUIs.

            Read more: http://gazette.com/colorado-state-patrol-legal-marijuana-brought-new-era-of-dui-arrests-in-2014/article/1545452

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            Yeah I’ve already seen the 2014 DUI reports from Colorado, and 354 out of 5,500 isn’t a huge increase in cannabis related DUI’s. I know that cannabis was involved in some of the other DUIs, but the drivers were also under the influence of other substances as well. So the other substances that they were on could have impaired their driving more than cannabis did, or the fact that your ability to drive decreases even more when your under the influence of more than one substance at the same time could’ve been the cause as well. It’s so easy to get a MMJ card in California that there already would be a significant number of cannabis related DUIs since anyone who wants a card for recreational use can easily get one. But yet we never hear about cannabis related DUIs being a huge epidemic in California.

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      damn straight

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      Cannabis, medical or otherwise does not belong to the corporations!!! We saved it from terminal extinction via the Bohemian, Jack Keroack (sp.), movement, through the “Summer of Love,” to the ’70s stoners, the ’80s “gardening” movement, and straight through to today when medicine began to find vast uses for the whole plant/extract “technology.” Then the freedom of information act began uncovering very positive research that somehow escaped Nixon, et. al, presidents attempts to destroy positive cannabis research. Had we not risked MAJOR prison sentences they could have been successful and corporate America cheered as this was taking place. Corporations do not deserve one penny of profit from the substance WE stoners, growers, and smugglers risked life and freedom to defend and make available. I do not see any of us sitting on legislative boards, a Board of Pharmacy advisor, nor in any position in Federal government even though we are responsible for its existence; today, in some 30,000 forms!!! Yes, we are responsible for this medical miracle and safe recreational substance and it is way past time to take it back!!!

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        Hear, hear!

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        Hippies don’t deserve all the credit. There were many veterans that returned from Vietnam that grew weed.

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        What about people who cant get any cannabis at all? Corporate cannabis is better than nothing.

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          I am in a backward state that Keith Stroup does not see legalized until 2020!!! I still say that this is our industry and now that it is an industry, we can fight for it more effectively. Like the computers and places we comment, this was concocted in someone’s garage, or game room over a bowl!!! Not in any boardroom where people who do not even smoke weed are deciding OUR industry!!! What keeps us from moving??? Nothing that I can see as I am creating a canna-business that I will happily allow people in on!!!

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      The important thing to know about any form of
      state legalization is it will be followed by very strict regulations and
      taxations that will likely take away more rights than we currently have as
      citizens using cannabis medicinally. Cannabis has already been decriminalized
      in CA. While I understand everyone is desirous of full legalization, it still
      comes with dry counties that have the right to ban people from growing
      cannabis. The courts are much less likely to ban your medicine than they are to
      ban your recreational cannabis. Government works best by taxing your fun! While
      there are some people in this world using cannabis recreationally, I personally
      believe most individuals use it as a medicine, with or without a recommendation
      from a physician.

      I am a man of the people. I have been
      defending medical cannabis rights in CA for over 13 years. It’s been a right in
      CA to use medical cannabis for 20 years without greedy corporations taking
      over. There are so many aspects of this that people are overlooking; including
      the massive community benefits medical cannabis dispensaries operating as
      not-for-profits have in CA currently. The IRS has not changed its policy when
      it comes to selling drugs (cannabis) and banks will not allow us to conduct
      banking with them. States are charging up to 36% sales tax instead of the
      current 9.5% sales tax you pay now in CA. It’s important to note that
      pharmaceutical prescription medications in CA are not taxed at all. People
      should continue to have the right to grow their own medicine instead of
      corporate warehouse-only grows. Currently, we can take our medication anywhere
      a cigarette can be smoked in public (except on private property or on Federal
      parklands).

      Recreational stores in Washington and Colorado
      selling cannabis can’t even discuss the medical benefits of cannabis. I truly
      want this plant to be as free as everyone else but not if it means giving up
      the current freedoms I have as a patient already at the expense of corporate
      greed. If there were a capable plan to make medical cannabis federally
      permissible for the people, I would stand right behind it.

      If recreational legalization happens in CA,
      there will likely be more and more instances of people getting cannabis-related
      DUIs. Also, it would allow many people with destabilization and
      psychological issues, etc. to gain access to cannabis without difficulty,
      whereas in the current environment they would not be able to.

      All proposed legalization ultimately demonizes
      who I am and what I do for humanity, and puts cannabis inline with other
      substances found at corner liquor stores and tobacco shops.

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        “If recreational legalization happens in CA,
        there will likely be more and more instances of people getting cannabis-related
        DUIs. Also, it would allow many people with destabilization and
        psychological issues, etc. to gain access to cannabis without difficulty,
        whereas in the current environment they would not be able to.”

        You sound like a prohibitionist stating propaganda with that statement. There have been no increased instances of cannabis related DUIs in Colorado and Washington, and there wouldn’t be in California either if they legalized. People with those issues could also obtain it very easily now since its so easy for anyone to get a card in California. The other person who replied to you is also right, who the hell makes you the cannabis gatekeeper of California? People like you who want to keep things the way they are and are discouraging Californians to legalize are worse than the prohibitionists.

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      That’s simply not true. Every responsible adult in Cali does not have access. Here in the heart of “Marijuana over my dead grant money!” lives on, medical users have no lawful store front collective, and are unable to grow even one plant inside or outside of their home. It’s not the Wild West that some in the country like to label. Here in Fresno and surrounding counties, patients are still forced to obtain their choice of medicine through unlawful means. The cartel and drug dealers are thriving. But, like our sheriff says, it’s all about our safety and crime control. I too am very concerned about the divisiveness here in Cali for legalization. It buried the initiative in 2010 and the patients in this part of the state will continue to be deprived of their rights under 215 until a state law passes which prevents local politicians from legislating away patients’ state rights. The local sheriff was so frustrated in continuing her federal drug policy push because of the protections patients were receiving in criminal court, she and the Board of Supes merely started going after them administratively where they had more control of the deprivation of rights. The Board passed the laws, directs enforcement of their laws, and also sits as an “independent” hearing officer if one asks for review. I’m taking as many as I can to court, but the powers that be here have really stacked the deck. I have my own opinion regarding the proposed initiatives, but frankly, I will vote for any one of them that makes the ballot that will stop the local yahoos from playing demagogue.

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        My disabilities render me unable to grow cannabis. In the past I have relied on collectives however the overreaching arm of the local law has banned outdoor grows and collectives causing me to have no safe access. Without legalization folks like me are at the mercy of uncaring law enforcement that would rather go after peaceful cannabis growers than tweakers, thieves, and murders. If you don’t believe me check out the stats for Shasta County – high violent crime, too many AB 109ers, etc. VOTE YES IN 2016!

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    WHOEVER writes the final initiative, PLEEEASE… Baby steps are “nice’… but as long as we
    have to HIDE in our homes to smoke cannabis, while drunks can get BLOTTO in
    bars, restaurants, concerts, sporting events, and select parks and beaches, pot
    is not being “regulated just like alcohol”, as Mason Tvert of MPP likes to
    brag ! When is the legalization movement going to GROW A PAIR and propose a law
    that lets cannabis be consumed ANYWHERE that alcohol can be consumed ? I can deal with “designated smoking areas” for second hand smoke (although second hand POT smoke won’t kill you like tobacco. Hell, it won’t even get you HIGH !). It’s
    been 45 YEARS since Woodstock, and I’m getting tired of the hypocrisy and
    inequality !

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      Your post is like someone who has traveled half-way around the world (by walking), and then complains that he isn’t home yet after passing the city limit sign.

      I’ve been waiting 45 years, too. – Patience grasshopper. We’re almost there.

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    A “shame” to see another election pass without a legalization vote in California? No, that would be a “TRAIN WRECK,” a “DISASTER,” a “CATASTROPHE.” That’s because the times may change, and a window may close, and legalization might never happen. Moreover, Nevada and other states will legalize in 2016, and California, and the financial benefits to be realized from legalization will go elsewhere.

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    Greed and Ignorance defeated legalization back in ‘010…many of same folks voted it down now face outdoor bans in their counties. one key issue is to not let counties override equal protection under the state law with bans on how many plants per acres of land, and the ridiculous outdoor bans like Shasta, and Tehema, and now Yuba have imposed.

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      That’s is solely the reason it did not pass! GREED! I know as I live in Shasta and work in Tehama Counties. The growers were afraid they would lose the millions they make each year. Now nobody can grow outdoor in these counties while meth flows freely! All of our collective storefronts in Redding (the town in Shasta Co.) were closed down in 2010. Growers vote YES for legal cannabis or lose the rights for safe access for all of us!

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    99% of California’s “patients” are no more than recreational users committing medical fraud to get weed in a highly unregulated loose as fuck “medical” marijuana system. California doesn’t have to become New Jersey, but it absolutely needs to fix their MMJ system before people will vote for honest legalization.

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      given that prop 215 allows for Dr.’s to recommend MMJ for “any condition that may benefit from its use” including preventative use, most people don’t have to say so much as one little fib, in other words, you can be 100% honest with your doctor, and you will get your recommendation letter. So exactly HOW is that medical fraud?

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        When people come in complaining of back pain or other conditions when they really do not have any condition, that is fraud. They are cheating the system. Real patients have to stand in line with xX420KushM@$terXx taking marijuana recreationaly that should be for patients with actual medical conditions only.

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          the fact that people LIE when they dont have to, doesnt xactly support your argument. PREVENTATIVE USE! look it up. With the system YOU suggest, many would actually HAVE to lie.

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      California’s medical marijuana system could certainly be improved, but over half of Californians support legalization even with the current state of loose regulation. Once it’s legalized, the only question which would matter is “Are you 21+ years of age?”

      Audits in Colorado and Washington have shown that no retail stores have been caught selling to minors, so legalization is pretty honest.

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    From reading the comments here it doesn’t look like CA is going to be able to go with full legalization. I guess it’s basically legal there so lets work on the states that are still locking people up for weed. I got a bad smell from Prop 19 and it still kinda stinks over there.

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      It definitely still has a chance. California’s legalization effort is more unified than this post suggests and support for legalization is significant in California.

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    MCLR failed for a reason, as did the CCHI; why get behind initiatives that have already demonstrated a lack of support and would only act as a spoiler for a initiative that has the backing of the most prolific cannabis organizations in our country who have already helped with successful legalization initiatives in other states in our union. Open source may work for some applications, but not for a cannabis legalization bill, and twelve pounds of cannabis seems a little out of scale with the medical bill which paved the way for many other states to give access to so many medical users in other states.

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    Well if California’s bill has crazy ass taxes like Colorado 25% then it will not get my vote.
    I want low tax on it or no Vote!!!!
    it will be a cold day in Hell before I pay more then 8% tax for it.
    lets not forget there is also sale tax so I don’t want the weed tax to be higher then most sale tax.

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      That’s pretty stupid. There’s no higher tax than having your ass busted and your car+house seized by the cops!

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    EH, just pick one and pass it. As long as they pass the “compassionate and sensible access act” as a constitutional amendment as well, it will turn out just fine :)

  22.  

    All the legalization measures I have seen so far, are too restrictive on personal cultivation…no way I’m voting for that!

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    I saw greed defeat the legalization 010 still open range here….check out Western Civil War of Incorporation….history rhymes again.Bottom line legal, no jail time till feds ring the bell. Come what may Kalifornia still the King…for now

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    “Marijuana Policy Project and the Drug Policy Alliance, and has been focused on conducting stakeholder meetings in northern and southern California.”

    Money talks, and the wishes of the people do not make a sound? CCHI2016 is the very thing to end a ridiculous “prohibition” without allowing the above to completele commandeer and control all facets of hemp use and still keep you under the thumbs of greedy bullies. The above are nothing more than manipulative investors barking for profits. Bother to read Jack Herer’s HEMP Initiative, and check out his book. The Emperor Wears No Clothes

  25.  

    Hey everyon

    I use to live in Cali n I used to smoke the real OG…

    Now I moved to another country and I’d like to find someone reliable to proceed to shipments of small quantity ;-)
    skype: samourai888

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    I like to thank you John for your article you are the only person who is reporting on these initiative that actually states who is backing each plan. In all of the articles I have seen on this story the blog/journo always reports the same thing using the generic term “backers” without giving a breakdown who the actual backers for each initiative are making it a very frustrating read. I personally would like to know who the “backers” are so I can determine for myself which of these “backers” has the best support, the better proposal and which initiative has the best chance of getting pass in the state.

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    Corporate Cannabis Greed Rush

    This article was written from the point of view of the coporate greed rush and the dispensaries. The author did not bother to feature the the position of the medical users and growers.

    The corporations and dispensaries do not want any competition from home grows and have be lobbied the government to enact the prohibition by over regulation and costs. Some legal corporate growers have stated that they wanted to sell grams of cannabis at up $32.

    These alcoholic sadistic monsters refuse to allow medical users enough plants to have a sustainable home personal production of affordable medicine or access to seeds and the clones necessary in any plant count medical system.

    A new La Ferrari Super car weighted about 1,400 kilograms, and cost about $1,400,000; or approximately one dollar a gram one thousand dollars a kilogram. The La Ferrari was made in Maranello, Italy, in 2013, at a large manufacturing complex of state of the art computerized buildings that cost approximately one billion dollars. Super cars are the toys purchased by billionaires.

    Medical cannabis users are often disabled and the disabled are the lowest income group in America. Yet corporate greed heads expect the indigent to pay ten to twenty times the cost of a Ferrari per gram; 10,000 to 20,000 a kilogram, for a weed flower that grows wild on every inhabited continent on Earth.

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      I’ve grown many times, always successfully and always illegally. That’s a shame. Any reasonable legalization law MUST include the right of individual users to grow their own.

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    The only honest and reasonable thing to do is to allow the unlimited growth and possession of the cannabis plant and its harvests. Any restriction will come with the wasteful, immoral, and selective eforcement of the restrictions upon those who violate these unconstitutional restrictions. Government can help make our world a more abundant place. Corrupting government to create artificial scarcity is immoral and self defeating in the long run. What if such ideas spread into industries such as food production? Diverting government from vital tasks such as managing adequate infrastructure, food, and energy through “sin tax” style price gauging cannabis regulation/ prohibition policies tends to raise the costs of the necessities of life. Cartels must not be rewarded for 80 years of suppressing industrial hemp.
    The government has more important tasks than enforcing limits on self – provision of cannabis. Not all people who may be part of a “greedy corporation” are proponents of overregulation. There are actually a lot of wealthy people with enough sense to want to live in a society without artificial scarcity and who want to benefit from the innovation and undercut pricing that comes along with actual real competition.
    Buying influence to create artificial scarcity of cannabis is not a part of a free market system which encourages innovation and competitively priced quality products. Such is not even part of a facist system – only corrupt communists and their naive slaves would advocate for as much.
    I hypothesize that the cartels who are trying to have an outright and in the open monopoly of the cannabis industry are much the same groups who have been giving people criminal records and imprisoning them for buying their products. If not disempowered, they may well come up with other dishonest ways of giving the American population criminal records and high rates of imprisonment. I personally have reason to believe they are already attempting to do this to some.
    The only honest and reasonable thing to do is to let people grow and posess cannabis without any limits at all. Any restrictions will come with the interrupted lives and wasted dollars of enforcing upon those who will violate the restrictions. A restricted cannabis market equates to continued high rates of pharmeceutical dispersal, which as we know results in more American deaths than all “illegal” drugs do combined. Cannabis can not kill, and alcohol can. There are not ridiculous limits on the stockpiling and self provision on alcohol, and there most certainly should not be on cannabis. In fact, it is potentially misleading to even compare cannabis to alcohol. Alcohol is so harmful that it is not really comparable at all to unpoisoned cannabis.
    As industrial hemp finally becomes legal, state residents should embrace the fact that their neighbooring states growing hemp means that the whole country (and world) can benefit from economies of scale. We must not let the anti – free market, price – gauging – of – their – often underprivelaged comsumers – corrupt “communist” style – cartels and their bag running slaves stand in the way of industrial hemp. It takes a dellusional naivity to think that decitfully justifying limits on cannabis, be it for hemp or “pot”, would not self incriminate one in a free – market country such as the United States.

    I like humanity and the Earth. I like western culture. I do not see people moving to China, so they should not act like communists.

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    Anyone who speaks English should be opposed to regulation/ prohibition of something as benign as cannabis. Anything else makes us all look like illerate folks who live off of spearing eachother in the back. The prohibitionists/ regulators are in a panic now because us Americans are actually starting to win back our freedoms.

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    I’ve sent a message to all of the listed initiative authors asking if they are wiling to work together by creating a web forum to select the best initiative and then all support one in gathering signatures. These three,

    http://www.marijuanacontrollegalizationrevenueact.com

    http://www.californiacannabis2016.com

    This one had no email or contact page, but I tweeted to @VoteToLegalize the message in pieces.
    http://www.cannabispolicyreform.org

    The forth I’d already tried to contact. It seem most comprehensive because it addresses hemp industrial agriculture also.

    moxxxxrj@yahoo.com
    http://www.cchi2016.org

    ________
    Competing ballot initiatives

    Hello Omar and Heather,

    I see a serious problem with competing initiatives and would like to see the authors of all initiatives debate and agree upon which one serves the peoples interests in cannabis/hemp best. Would you consider collaborating with other authors and starting a web forum with a section where only authors of initiatives or registered non profit collectives could post, but the public can access and read with another section for the public to post in? A polling feature there would help the decision to solidify.

    We need to unify on this to prevail.

    Sincerely,

    Chris

    Hopefully others can support the unification of efforts to get one initiative passed and on the ballot for 2016.

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