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Ohio Is Likely To Vote On Marijuana Legalization This November

Responsible Ohio LogoAccording to multiple reports out of Ohio, the ResponsibleOhio marijuana legalization initiative is going to make the ballot in 2015. ResponsibleOhio fell short of the required signatures by the original deadline, but Ohio law permits a 10 extension for one last push. Responsible Ohio needed 29,509 valid signatures in order to make the ballot, and turned in 95,572 at the end of ten day period. In most cases it would have just been assumed that the signature amount would have been enough, but due to a record low signature validation rate for marijuana legalization signature gathering efforts, no one was certain. The campaign needed a roughly 31% validation rate, and appears to have made that goal. Per WBNS-10TV:

The legalization of marijuana will be on the November ballot, according to preliminary reports of valid signatures sent by Ohio’s county board of election offices.

With 48 counties out of 88 reporting their preliminary totals, a 10TV survey reveals ResponsibleOhio will exceed the number of required signatures.

The initiative will not be officially on the ballot until Ohio’s Secretary of State says so, which is expected by the end of the week. If that proves to be the case, Ohio will get a chance to be the fifth state (and D.C.) to legalize recreational marijuana. As with every other marijuana legalization initiative that has ever made the ballot (assuming it does, which I think is safe to say at this point), ResponsibleOhio’s initiative is not without it’s controversy. I’m sure most readers know by now about the ‘ten for profit entities only’ provision of the initiative, which obviously stinks. But is that enough to allow people to be arrested for two more years until maybe, hopefully another initiative gets polling, language, and funding in place?

I have a lot of questions right now about Ohio. Will any national reform organizations step up and support the campaign? Does the campaign care enough to court national reform organizations? Should organizations and prominent activists even support the campaign? Should they organize their own effort for 2016? If that’s the plan, where has everyone been for so long because after all, no other marijuana legalization effort got on the ballot, so why would it in two short years? Is ResponsibleOhio the best model that Ohio voters will approve, for better or worse? If not, what does the model look like? I could go on and on. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.

I’d love to hear from Ohio voters for and against the initiative. I live in Oregon, a state that I feel has the best legalization law in the country. I love the freedom that Oregon’s legalization law brings but with that being said, I feel bad for weighing in too much on the Ohio initiative simply because I don’t live there. I’m not an Ohio voter. I don’t know what the political climate is in Ohio. I do know the level of support that Ohio has received in the past from big cannabis reform funders and organizations, and it hasn’t been exactly a fantastic track record, which is obviously unacceptable. Will ResponsibleOhio win in November? Who knows at this point. I’d like to see some more recent polling, which hopefully is coming out soon.

One thing that I will say right now is that I hope that if this 2015 initiative fails, that everyone puts their money where their mouth is for the next effort. And if people don’t have money, they better step up in some other way to help the citizens of Ohio. I believe that an initiative can definitely pass in Ohio, and Ohio cannabis consumers deserve to be free from cannabis prohibition. If people want to criticize ResponsibleOhio’s model, that’s fine. If people want to vote for ResponsibleOhio’s model, that’s fine. But what is not fine is if people try to tear each other apart, and then abandon the effort and leave Ohio cannabis consumers behind. If this is the best Ohio can get, so be it, and if it’s not, then even if ResponsibleOhio wins, organizations and activists need to step up and improve on the law. If people think that they can do better, do it. Don’t talk about ‘well if I had the money from the investors, I’d blah blah blah.’ Those investors are not investing in your initiative. They obviously invested in this initiative because they want to make money. Don’t worry about what they are doing so much as worrying about what you’re doing.

If you don’t like the initiative, campaign against it, but in a way that allows you to keep friends after the election is over. I hate seeing long time relationships getting ruined because of politics, cannabis or otherwise. We live in a free country where you can think what you want, and vote how you want. That’s a democracy, and we live with the results for better or worse. If people want to vote for it and it becomes law, then that’s the reality of the situation. Believe me, I was very, very upset after the 2012 election when Oregon didn’t legalize and missed the opportunity to be one of the first states to do so, like it has in other areas of reform. But instead of pout and try to tear others down around me, I got active. I started working towards the 2014 election with other activists the very next day, and even though we won in Oregon in 2014, there’s still a ton of work to be done. When Ohio eventually legalizes, the same will be true for Ohio, whether if it’s this initiative or another. Reform is never perfect, and it’s never completely done until legalization becomes equalization. Keep fighting and doing whatever you can do when you can do it to support reform!

  • Vince

    The reason the petition needed to be backed by wealthy investors is because if it wasn’t it wouldn’t have made it this far alone because Ohio is a republic state with the Secretary of state being a firm believer in prohibition so far as to say he will prosecute Ian James the director of responsibleOhio for voter fraud because Ian called him out on the fact that the initial petition gathering had an extremely low validation rate and was about 35000 short by RO’s count they also voted in placing a initiative to block monopolies specifically targeting RO’s initiative which is why no grassroot movement or under funded plan was going to work however I do agree that after it is legalized there should be petitions to change some of the wording but there needs to be a change in ohio to spark a change in the rest of the country

    • Vince

      P.s.I’m from Ohio

      • familyguy

        My thoughts exactly. Thank you Vince!

        • Nick

          I know you guys don’t actually care enough to get involved but ORG had been around for years and actually employed ian james. Then that fat fuck took all the millionaire donors org had lined up and made them into a cartel instead. But glad you guys really read into this stuff.

          • Vince

            A cartel huh I’ve heard that word a lot go ahead and read into that because I’m fairly certain that there are already cartels in place in Ohio and I would much rather them be paying taxes or be put out of business STOP demonizing Ian James and talk about the real problem which is if we should legalize or not and since this is the only initiative to make it this far since the whole cannabis prohibition reform started. I can fairly guess that Nick is white and doesn’t realize how unjustly Ohio treats blacks who smoke they basically charge blacks with felonies to take away their rights and keep them opposed and this needs to stop so what if Ian James is corrupt so is our government for outlawing such an amazing plant because of some bullshit with William Randolph Hurst trust me I’ve read up on much more than you think my extinct on cannabis knowledge is extensive but I could care less about Ian James the law can and will be rewritten once it is in place if they get it passed then next year vote to out law monopolies and the like next year then that would in theory change the law and end the cartel so they would have one successful year woohoo that doesn’t mean there is going to be a cartel a cartel by definition would want prices high but if that is the case then Ohioans such as myself wouldn’t buy their product because I would either grow it myself or buy it for cheaper somewhere else if you are going to throw around terms like this at least look up their Definition first a cartel doesn’t even make sense they want to lower the prices as much as possible while limiting the supply so that kids and teens can’t get their hands on it also there are only 10 grow sites yes but they have home growing provisions as well as including extractions which I think is important because right now possession of extracted goods or extracting itself is considered a felony but I’m getting of topic Ohio government will do anything in it’s power to shut down legalization so I say if it takes a crook to over turn that so be it it’s crooks who are going to continue to make money off it being illegal if it isn’t passed and I’m tired of being broke because I need medication and I have to buy it from a drug dealer trust me in Ohio 8ths go for about 35/40 for medical grade street prices so a cartel wouldn’t work if they went even a dollar over that I’d simply not go to them

          • eric

            Fuck ian james and fuck r.o. the fact you just stated is reason enough to vote against this shady organizations effort to bankroll this entire industry.

          • jontomas

            What utter nonsense and vicious greed.

          • JohnB

            You have your facts wrong here. Just ask John Pardee, the former head of ORG, and friend of Ian James.
            John now supports RO.

      • Kimberly Glanz

        i am from ohio also and i am sitting here waiting with my fingers and toes crossed that something gets passed here. i agree the wording can be a little tense and it looks like it is kinda one sided in the money deal, i am not in any official capacity in this state, i am just a disabled person with a terminal illness that is wanting to at least be able to access the one thing that keeps me going legally and to make sure that my kids are able to access good paying jobs without losing them to drug tests for stupid reasons. if you are in a tither about who is going to walk away rich from this, at least make it available medically and stop testing for thc in job opportunities. ohio is not a lazy state and we want to work and support our families like the next one, we haven’t had a lot of job opportunities around here since the factory, steel,car industry is gone, a lot of jobs have been outsourced overseas and we don’t have much industry for the future…..we are a farm state so it stands to reason that we have good crop potential and with the profits we can make our cities good again instead of them looking like a bad movie set. why would we not want to not be in debt? why would we not want to have jobs and industry? weed is the future and the longer we sit on the sidelines the more we backslide.

        • TheBrownHornet

          I agree with you for the most part, but monopolies are just a bad idea. Abuse and corruption are inevitable. Once RO has that power how easily do you think they will relinquish it?

          • JohnB

            The only “power” RO will have after their proposed amendment passes is ownership of the ten sites.

            That ownership will be under the control and scrutiny of the MCC, a wholly independent new government department, appointed by an anti-cannabis governor.

          • TheBrownHornet

            So RO doesn’t set market prices? Who does?

          • JohnB

            Each of the ten commercial grow facilities will determine the WHOLESALE price they charge to retailers.
            The retailers will buy based on the best deal they can get, quality and quantity, just like any other retail operation.

            The retailers, as all retailers do, will charge as much as they can while still keeping customers.

            Plain old capitalism.

          • TheBrownHornet

            Except RO does not compete. They decide the margins with promises? What is a fair price?

          • JohnB

            The margins are decided by contract. Cannabis will be a commodity. You need to investigate how commodities – which have different prices in different regions and for different qualities – are priced at the wholesale and retail levels.

            A “fair” price comes from negotiation; what I as a buyer am willing to pay versus what the seller is willing to accept, all against the background of what the consumer will bear.

            A far price is one that I’m willing to pay and that offers me an acceptable margin.

          • TheBrownHornet

            Commodities like wheat & corn? There are traded daily. Prices are dictated by supply and demand. RO will be the new OPEC, and man is that working out.. So who draws up a contract to determine margins? If RO charges a certain price I would be contractually bound, as a retailer, to have preset margins? I would be working for RO then, right?

          • JohnB

            The ten commercial growing companies will set their own prices for the wholesale market.
            They will need to offer quality and quantity at a fair price to be able to get retailers to sell it for them.
            Thus, they will compete with one another for share of the wholesale market.
            Will prices be similar, based on what the market will bear? Of course they will; you don’t pay a buck for a soda pop at one store when it’s a penny at another.

            The retailers will set the final selling prices, based again on what the market will bear.

          • TheBrownHornet

            Very true. But the is a FLOOR to that price, set by the RO. The RO facilities will not compete, they are one entity. Prices will be regional.. So RO is setting the market price. Retailers will have a low pricing ceiling after paying taxes and the like or they will never sell a gram.

          • Kimberly Glanz

            there is abuse and corruption is in every single department, agency and company these days….so we sit here while we bicker about the little details…….at least get it medically and amend later for recreational, and while we are at it, while we sit here state by state and nit pick details, take it off the schedule 1 on the federal level and stop testing for it with jobs and benefits and legalize on a federal level, then the states can come in one by one and figure out the details. i am not going to continue to do what i have to do under the radar when i can be up front if someone would figure it out

          • TheBrownHornet

            Not disagreeing. You are making my point. Legalization in a way that makes sense. If that means incremental steps, which I disagree with, then so be it. But we can get this closer to right than what is being proposed.

  • jontomas

    All marijuana reformers, consumers, and freedom lovers should definitely vote for Responsible Ohio. The investors advantage will be temporary and brief. After we end the fraudulent federal prohibition (as soon as 2017), the national marijuana market will take over, and any arrangement made in Ohio will fall by the wayside.

    • Nick

      You’re insane and probably on their roll. We’ll be stuck with this shit for decades unless the anti monopoly Bill nullifies it.

      • newageblues

        For decades? That seems very unlikely. Ohio has a lot of farmers, they would like to be allowed to participate in a legal cannabis market. Anyone who believe in free markets and level playing fields is going to be offended by the ‘monopoly’ on commercial growing provision. And drug war reformers will want it removed. If RO passes, I could see a consensus developing in Ohio that this provision should be repealed.

      • jontomas

        That’s what we thought about state-legal marijuana – just five years ago. Things are snow-balling even faster now.

    • TheBrownHornet

      National reform won’t happen. That’s a can of worms that must stay sealed. The debate on all schedule 1 narcotics would cloud the issue too much.

      • DeeperDish

        National reform will happen, eventually, and Congress is warming up to the idea.

        http://www.politico.Com/magazine/story/2015/07/dea-marijuana-120674.html

        It might take 5, 10, or 20 more states; it might take a 60% or 70% supermajority in national polls; but federal prohibition is ultimately untenable. And as the marijuana economy grows, as more Wall Street investors like Peter Thiels of Paypal play in the game, our lobbying influence will grow.

        • JohnB

          Exactly right; cannabis has the attention of the rainmakers now. Legalization by commercialization is inevitable.

          • TheBrownHornet

            But do remember, Tommy Chong was completely railroaded, so never underestimate what the government will do or try to do.

          • jontomas

            That was then. This is now. – The marijuana policy environment is changing so quick, it makes your head spin. That’s why we’ll probably end the federal prohibition in 2017.

          • TheBrownHornet

            But the end of prohibition must happen first. As long as it is on the “books”, it can be used. That is NOW. You are speaking of a possible future. I am talking right NOW. If the Feds want to, they can shut it all down right now. Right Now.

          • jontomas

            They won’t. They know their control is not absolute, and a move like that against millions of citizens would completely delegitimize them. – The insane war on marijuana consumers is ending rapidly. All with eyes to see know this.

          • TheBrownHornet

            It appears out major divide is what the government CAN do versus what they WILL do. The government does have absolute control. The government has already made a move like this against our most important citizens, farmers. If you are inclined, please read up on Monsanto, RoundUp Ready Soybeans, & the SCOTUS. The precedent established is almost perverse.

        • TheBrownHornet

          You are probably right. I was going to say a majority of states legalizing or the passage of enough time, but I’m thinking that the legalization of cocaine, heroin, etc. may be used to scare people into continued prohibition. As soon as I have so much confidence that people are becoming wiser, something makes me reset my thinking. The current field presidential candidates haven’t really touched the issue, but that will speak volumes about the direction the cannabis winds are blowing.

          • jontomas

            After California and some others join the Free States next year in November, the crumbling fraud of the federal prohibition will collapse under its own dead weight – as soon as 2017.

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  • Ohio Voter

    As an Ohio voter I will be voting yes on RO. I understand its not the best plan, but its better than the current state of prohibition. I have heard that there are better proposals out there, however none seem to have the required momentum. Our choices are RO or continued prohibition for the foreseeable future. We should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Voting against RO is a vote for prohibition, not matter how you justify it.

    • TheBrownHornet

      Please vote no. I can’t reveal all, but a master plan is in development for 2016, trust me. We will all win.

      • Ohio Voter

        1) If I vote yes now, I can still vote yes on your “master plan” in 2016. However if I vote no, I get continued prohibition for at least another year and risk it for longer if your “master plan” does not get enacted. Therefore, I see no upside to voting no and I do see a large downside.

        2) This is the problem with the alternative plans, no one knows how they will be implemented. If i’m going to vote no based on an alternative “master plan,” then I need to know what it is, who’s behind it, and most importantly, the DETAILS of how it will be funded. If no funding, then the best plan ever is worthless.

        • JohnB

          Ohio Voter, that was perfectly said.

          • TheBrownHornet

            Wait until you see their prices. Even in Colorado with all the taxes and such, the black market flourishes.

          • JohnB

            You have NO idea what the prices will be. It is the future, which no one can predict with certainty.
            The best anyone can do is make logical financial projections, with the math there for everyone to see and challenge, as RO has done in their Prospectus.
            Have you read it?
            Of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t have made that claim.

          • TheBrownHornet

            RO is the wholesaler. Retailers will be where the purchases are made. How does the RO Prospectus cover this?

          • JohnB

            The prospectus covers the entire market. Knowing what you plan to charge the retailers, and how much margin you can promise them, is essential to getting retailers to sell your product.
            The target final retail price is $285.00 an ounce – well under current black market prices in Southern Ohio for an ounce of sensimilla.

          • TheBrownHornet

            You obviously don’t know that there are tiers to cannabis pricing since you say 285 covers all strains. That’s ridiculous. Let’s do the math starting here. What is the wholesale price per ounce that RO plans to charge?

          • JohnB

            In our current business plan, we have funds set aside ($100,000) to buy fifty initial pounds to open the store. I’ll let you do the math. If we can’t buy that kind of quantity at that kind of price or better, then we won’t be opening a store. We do not anticipate that, in the beginning, the kinds of varieties that are available in other states – all of which had a medical cannabis growing infrastructure first – will exist in Ohio.

            One of the grow sites, owned by Dr Saresh Gupta, will grow and sell only medical cannabis, which is not our market. (the state will run the non-profit dispensaries).

            The prospectus figure of $285 per ounce final retail price is used for general planning, and is not meant to be a guarantee that any individual retailer will get that amount (or more, or less) for all strains.

          • TheBrownHornet

            First of all, any cannabis that isn’t “Reggie” is medical. California only sells medicinal cannabis. Check any of their websites. Kush (OG, Lemon, etc.), TrainWreck, Girl Scout Cookies and the like are just high grade cannabis (sensimilla) e.g. not “Reggie”. All of these are here NOW. Get educated on that. Your buying price is $2,000 a pound and you are assuming the exact same price for every strain. “If we can’t buy….at that….price” then you get nothing. Where was the $2,000 per pound price set? Also $2,000 a pound translates to just over $5 a gram wholesale. What’s the markup? Still doing the math myself.

          • JohnB

            Just read the prospectus – it is readily available online – and your questions will be answered. The markup is easily calculated between the wholesale price per ounce ($125) and the retail target price per ounce $285).
            Those numbers are for general planning purposes, so don’t be “Dick, from the internet,” and say that I presented them as absolutes across all strains.

          • TheBrownHornet

            The question of how each and every Ohio government agency will tax that $125 is everything. As stated earlier, that’s a about $5 per gram wholesale. If when it’s all said and done the final retail price is at $15 per gram, you are back at black market retail prices. In this instance the black market continues, not to avoid being caught, but to avoid paying taxes. Can someone please walk me through how a legal retailer goes from $5 wholesale to under $15 retail and turns a profit? I have been crunching the numbers based on what is know from the Ohio proposal and filling in some of the unknowns from Colorado & Oregon. I can’t make it work, can someone please help me? Seriously.

          • jontomas

            After the dust settles on re-legalization, average quality marijuana will likely sell for around $50 an ounce, or less. – It’s just a plant.

          • TheBrownHornet

            When will the dust settle? Average quality is “Reggie”. High quality is everything else. RO will be selling high quality.

          • JohnB

            You need to figure out that pricing of cannabis is already approaching the commodity model, for business purposes.

            http://247wallst.com/consumer-products/2015/08/15/marijuana-price-unchanged-at-1709/

          • Ohio voter

            I’ve seen the prices, you can view Colorado and Michigan dispensary prices online, they are actually cheaper than what I pay now on the black market, 18 bucks a gram in Michigan, 12 in Colorado, a skimpy eighth of blue dream runs 60-65 on Ohio’s black market so your price point is void as far as most smokers are concerned(except the guys willing to pick seeds out of Reggie for $30 an eighth?

          • TheBrownHornet

            I have seen the prices too. They are cheaper than the Ohio black market. Colorado, Michigan, California, & Oregon. None of these states have a monopoly from the supplier though. Keisha runs between 70 & 100 a quarter, depending on quality. You are being gouged either due to your lack of connections or scarcity in your market. Apples & Oranges. Reggie is not even a part of the discussion.

        • TheBrownHornet

          Your concerns are genuine. But if we allow RO to get this foothold, their coffers will make them virtually invincible politically. Any opposition to the status quo established by RO will be almost insurmountable. When you have the loudest voice sometimes people will believe what you say. WMDs sent us into Iraq because the loudest voice said it was true and necessary. Let’s not give them a voice. To your second point, this will be a peoples movement, funded by the people, and based on the best of Colorado & Oregon. I promise you it is in the works. Howard Dean laid the ground work, Obama made it work, and now it will work FOR us.

          • JohnB

            HOWARD DEAN???? Seriously? I’m pretty sure aligning yourself with that nutjob destroys any credibility you may have built.
            As far as being “politically invincible” goes, there is nothing RO’s investors could do if one of our legislators puts forth an amendment to repeal the oligopoly portion of legalization.
            HJR4 is a perfect example of just how easy that would be; two weeks from idea to ballot issue #2, and not one citizen had to do a thing.

          • TheBrownHornet

            I’m not aligning myself with Howard Dean or advocating any policies of his. Howard Dean effectively laid the groundwork for a 21st century grass roots campaign. Exactly how am I aligning myself with Howard Dean? I also regularly drive on the Ronald Reagan cross county highway that was built due to a republican push. I use the highway because it makes sense to do so. Does that mean I’m aligned with Ronald Reagan or the republican party?

          • JohnB

            You align yourself with him by proposing to follow his example.

          • TheBrownHornet

            His example of a new form of grassroots campaign?

          • JohnB

            Are you going to start telling me about the “snowflake model” now?

            NO leadership by design – that sounds like a great plan.

          • TheBrownHornet

            Just the model that got Obama elected. What does that have to do with leadership?

          • JohnB

            Obama rode one good speech and a wave of white guilt and black racism to office the first time. It had nothing to do with grassroots; it had to do with him being a media darling.
            The second time was pure impetus.
            You don’t think there was a carefully orchestrated, well funded political campaign behind him both times??

            yeah, right, it was the snowflake model.

          • TheBrownHornet

            So guilt and then momentum got him elected? Wow.

          • jontomas

            That’s closely related to my view of Obama. I voted for him out of the hope that being the first Black president, he would also try to be the best president. – But no. He’s old school, work for the rich, bomb the world into submission dinosaur spawn. – I’m giving him some grudging approval of his latest marijuana reform door openings, though.

          • TheBrownHornet

            So what’s you reason for voting for Obama? White guilt or Black, LOL, racism.

          • jontomas

            In other words, I didn’t vote for him based on a track record or other such ‘vital’ info. I voted for him because I hoped we would try to represent Blacks by showing how he could do the best job for all Americans. – I’ve been mostly disappointed. That’s why I voted for Gary Johnson last time. – My Black wife of 10 years and our two children would laugh at your charges of racism.

          • TheBrownHornet

            I never charged you with anything, especially racism. You may have been just a little too quick to align yourself with JohnB’s comments.

            “Obama rode one good speech and a wave of white guilt and black racism to office the first time. It had nothing to do with grassroots; it had to do with him being a media darling.The second time was pure impetus.
            You don’t think there was a carefully orchestrated, well funded political campaign behind him both times??”
            – JohnB

            jontomas (RESPONDING TO) JohnB • 5 days ago
            “That’s closely related to my view of Obama. I voted for him out of the hope that being the first Black president, he would also try to be the best president. – But no. He’s old school, work for the rich, bomb the world into submission dinosaur spawn. – I’m giving him some grudging approval of his latest marijuana reform door openings, though.”
            – jontomas

            You jumped in to agree with JohnB.

            I asked the question based on your agreement with HIS statement.

            “So what’s you reason for voting for Obama? White guilt or Black, LOL, racism.”
            -TheBrownHornet

            REMEMBER WHO BROUGHT RACISM INTO THIS DISCUSSION.

            Does your Black wife know you use her to prove you are not a racist? Is that racist?

  • TheBrownHornet

    Ohio born and raised. This proposal is a total farce. A government sanctioned monopoly. RO would be the new Escobar in Ohio; “…the boss of it all” – Boston George. If all legal cannabis roads in Ohio lead to RO, who do they answer to in terms of how they run their business? RO would decide what product goes to each retail outlet. RO can mandate all sorts of things in order for a retail outlet to obtain products. If you have time watch the portion of the documentary Food Inc. that covers chicken farmers to understand what I mean. It can almost amount to modern day slavery. I’m not saying it will, but why leave that door open. Does power corrupt or does power attract the corrupt? IDK, but a monopoly is corrupt by nature and illegal in America for good reason. Competition keeps the market healthy, strong, and innovative. The Ohio Constitution is written for the people, so its language should benefit the people, not a corporate entity. Does anyone really believe we can update the law in a few years once RO has made several hundreds of millions and can buy all the political influence they need? Let’s be serious. I’m indifferent to legalization, but I’m always against bad legislation. And I haven’t seen many legislative proposals worse than this.

    • Mick Man

      Golden Rule: Don’t worry about what other people are doing. Worry about yourself. You are gaining legal cannabis and homegrow rights in Ohio! Vote yes for RO to get out from under law enforcements thumb! Vote yes for protection against prosecution until you can vote a better system in. If the Ohio voters fail to see the logic in this then I fear that there is no way Ohio is smart enough to get another initiative on the ballot for 2016. You can have it both ways guys. Get legal cannabis now and vote the monopolies out later with a better plan. If you vote no you’re doing exactly what the politicians are wanting…..and for the most part, Ohio politicians are complete corrupt idiots.

      • TheBrownHornet

        The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you do unto yourself. So why are you worrying about what others are doing or expressing? Hypocrite.

        • Mick Man

          You shouldn’t label people just because they disagree with you. You’re missing my point Hornet. I’m not talking about you expressing your point. I’m talking about looking at what you have in your own pocket and not worrying about what someone else has in their pocket. I am happy that R.O is providing a path for legal MJ in Ohio. Voting YES on R.O’s plan will make it easier to establish future MJ laws because it will now be legal. Voting no and keeping mj illegal until 2016 so you can have a possible chance to lose again makes absolutely no sense. Absolutely vote YES Ohio!

          • jontomas

            The truth is greedy growers against RO don’t care if the persecution of marijuana consumers continues. All they care about is their greedy selves. They stand against what marijuana reform is all about.

          • TheBrownHornet

            Who said anything about money? You are making ASSumptions about my motivations. I’m happy you are happy. Not labeling, just calling it like I see it. Whenever you get screwed by whatever industry, don’t you dare complain or even worse take some action. Just worry about what you are doing, not what they are doing. I’m guessing you are from the South.

          • Mick Man

            9 minutes ago
            Again, Hornet, you’re completely missing the point. Your assumption that I’m referring to money is as incorrect as your assumption that I’m from the South. Let me just say that this new model for ending MJ prohibition is perfectly fine with me and I hope it spreads to other states that are being kept in a strangle hold by their legislators.

          • TheBrownHornet

            I keep money in my pockets, what do you keep in you pockets. “I’m talking about looking at what you have in your own pocket and not worrying about what someone else has in their pocket.” – Mick Man. Please own your words.

          • Mick Man

            I keep my hands in my pockets as well as my grandfathers pocket watch. But listen Hornet, I respect you. We are on the same team. We both want legalized MJ. We both want to see the end of people being locked in cages over a simple plant. Let’s just wait until November 4th to continue our debate. I wish you all the best in life.

          • TheBrownHornet

            420

      • Ohio Voter

        What he is saying, and some are missing, is that it is rational to vote for something that make you better off and no worse off. For instance, if your mother gives your sister 10 dollars and says that she can only keep the money if she gives some to you and you accept it. Your sister then offers you 2 dollars. You may feel that it is unfair for her to get 8 while you only get 2, but is still more than you had before and you don’t have to give anything up. So regardless if the distribution is fair or not, a rational person should take the 2 dollars.

        The same holds true with RO. Ohio will be better of with it and no worse off. Therefore, a rational person should vote for it.

        • TheBrownHornet

          Nothing Mick Man expressed says this. In your example how do things change in the future to even the playing field? Off my sister? Because that is exactly what RO is doing to any competition. The other Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules. Try fighting a billion dollar conglomerate. AT&T, MicroSoft, Big tobacco. It took the government to take them down. They had the power, from vast coffers, to wield enormous influence over policy for decades in 2 of my examples . That is America. I don’t want to see RO with that kind of power in Ohio. If they fail here, you can invite them to your state and have them bring their current business model with them.

          • jontomas

            RO will soon be absorbed by the national market. – Problem solved.

          • TheBrownHornet

            No one cares what you think, jontomas.

          • jontomas

            lol – So you are reduced to empty invective – just like all prohibitionists. I have faithfully represented millions of American marijuana consumers for twenty years.

          • TheBrownHornet

            I’m a free marketeer. Watch like minded individuals like myself stops this thing dead in its tracks. Again. you have the numbers, so there is no debate. Your millions will overwhelm any opposition to the current proposal.

        • Mick Man

          Excellent Professor! This is a perfect analogy. Perfectly stated. I couldn’t have presented a better anecdote.

          • Huntsman smoker

            I could have if I was stoned, BUT ITS NOT LEGAL YET! Ha ha ha!

    • Huntsman smoker

      RO is still better than the “real drug dealers” getting the cash and saves our smoking butts in the process. First legalize, then amend.

      • TheBrownHornet

        It’s not so much about who gets the money as it is about who gets to participate. I would like to open a shop but I want more than one supplier to choose from. Allowing RO to monopolize things now will give them 4 years to have enough money to buy just about any politician. And they won’t wait for new legislation to be introduced, they will have already purchased their politicians through campaign and PAC contributions. RO in anti-competition, which is unAmerican. RO is truly showing their colors right now. When in history has anyone with power willingly given up that power? I want want the power as a retailer to say “I’ll buy this from X grower, this from Y grower, and this from Z grower”.

        • jontomas

          No one cares what kind of marijuana business you want to open. First, we must stop the persecution of millions of good citizens. Then we will refine marijuana policy until it reaches its optimum form, just as we did with alcohol after ending its prohibition.

          • TheBrownHornet

            No one cares what you think.

          • jontomas

            I represent millions of American marijuana consumers. – You represent a few (loud) greedy growers who don’t care about the persecution of their “precious” customers as long as you can keep the river of blood money flowing.

          • TheBrownHornet

            I represent those that believe in a free market. Nothing more, nothing less. If you have millions on your side, OK. It sounds like you have the numbers to change any and everything. If I’m wrong, I’m sure I’ll be mowed right over. If I’m not?

        • Huntsman smoker

          I agree. I feel that a 2 to 4 yr return on their investment would be fair , I mean they did put up 2 mill a piece. More than me. Just think after that period that the market opens up for the rest of us. This may very well have not happened without them so I certainly agree with showing some appreciation. I do however agree, the corruption will most likely show up at some point.

  • JohnB

    Many of the naysayers to RO argue that we should vote against RO this year because OTEP (Ohioans to end Prohibition) will be on the ballot next year.

    That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

    Why not vote yes to both?

    OTEP specifically repeals RO, so if OTEP activists are so certain that their better amendment will both make it to the ballot and pass next year, then it is foolish to forego the extra year of legalization we would get under RO.

    During that year, support for OTEP can only go UP. The genie will be out of the bottle.

    During that year, anyone pulled over with up to an ounce of cannabis in their car won’t be arrested or fined.

    During that year, home growers will be able to begin their own legal crops.

    During that year, Ohioans will be able to sit on their porches and smoke all they want, and wave at the police as they drive by.

    During that year, probable cause for the police to enter a home will lose one major pretext.

    During that year, RO will spend as much as $36 million per site to develop indoor growing facilities.
    That’s $360 million the “greedy monopolists” will sink into their Oligopoly.

    And…just about the time they are finally ready to begin selling cannabis, OTEP will pass (or so the RO naysayers say), and RO Oligopoly will be a thing of the past – leaving the investors out on a limb, after having spent nearly $400 million dollars on a campaign and infrastructure that will ultimately net them nothing except ten high-priced farms that will have to compete with everyone else in Ohio under OTEP.

    If you REALLY HATE RO, the best thing you can possibly do, is vote for them…

    Of course, all that is predicated on OTEP passing the following year – again the RO naysayers are adamant about that one; it WILL make it, they say.

    But let’s assume for a moment that OTEP goes the route of every other grassroots effort in Ohio so far – years worth of them – and falls significantly short of even making the ballot

    If we vote no to RO, and OTEP also fails, then we will be left with exactly what we have now; prohibition.

  • DInnocenti

    Im in Cleveland…will be voting YES. The ten site thing is not what everyone wants but we are talking about the security of not fearing arrest. I am a current CA prop 215 patient and now that im in Cleveland it’s crazy to think of how much trouble I can get in for something my doctor prescribed me there, in place of xanex.

  • Columbus ohio guy

    I am also a voter in Ohio, I have no problems with the 10 only farms, the responsible Ohio plan is one of the better plans in the country and the fact that they actually made it even this far tells me they are better at getting things done than any of the “grass roots” movements that have been tried so far(2012) I will be voting yes for this amendment and look forward to paying my $50 fee for my personal growers licence this winter, not winter of 2017

  • Mick Man

    RO makes recreational MJ legal. End of story. That’s what everyone on this board hopes for. Those who are complaining about the ten owners getting rich, they are just parroting someone who was complaining about it. I bet the poor, repressed folks of the southern states would gladly accept this offer and thank the investors and wish them luck and prosperity. Don’t kid yourself Ohio, not all monopolies and corporations are bad….and that is truth.

  • WhiteJesus

    Smoke it!

  • jacob

    Vote for RO..as fast as we can with whoever we can, to many sick elderly and children THAT NEED HELP

    • newageblues

      Agree, and then work to get the 10 grower ‘monopoly’ ended quickly. Even if the 10 growers offer good variety and quality, it’s not fair to other people who want to compete to grow weed in Ohio in a normally regulated free market.

      I can appreciate that people have the dream of commercially growing cannabis legally and oppose RO for that reason. But I think if RO passes, the monopoly won’t stay long, it’s too offensive to too many people, and will only have the power of money on its side.
      Unless OTEP is going to be on the ballot in 2016, I think RO is the best bet for the people who want to legally grow commercial cannabis in Ohio.
      Actually, I think the pressure on the RO people will become so intense, they’ll propose some modification themselves fairly quickly.

  • JohnB

    This just in: Secretary of State Jon Husted just announced that RO has met the signature goal and WILL be on the ballot November 3rd.

    • TheBrownHornet

      Read also. Barring any voter registration fraud the “rubber hits the road”. Let’s see if the Broadus effect happens here.

  • josh

    Ill be voting NO on this government ran RO ammendment. Ill be voting YES on the legislation attached to it. If you’re gonna make it legal make 100% legal and anyone should be able to get in on the business. RO is a bunch of crooked ass thieves.

    • TheBrownHornet

      Well put. I’m am very interested to see how the ballot actual reads. I’ve been going back and forth here with a few folks, but if we can get it done in an all inclusive manner that’s the way to go. If you produce quality you survive if you don’t you starve (as a business). The AMERICAN WAY!

      • Columbus ohio guy
      • jontomas

        It’s not about business. It’s about freedom. – How you people deny the importance of ending probable cause!

        • TheBrownHornet

          Probable cause can be whatever they want to initiate contact. You are blind if you don’t know that. What’s stopping a cop in their tracks now? BodyCams. If a cop says it, it’s true unless you can prove otherwise. Failure to use a turn signal. You don’t have a front license plate. You didn’t make a complete stop at the stop sign. Do I need to go on?

          • jontomas

            When police police smell marijuana now, they have probable cause to search your car, home, etc. That can/does cause all sorts of prosecutorial nightmares. – That is because of the fraudulent marijuana prohibition.

            As soon as we re-legalize marijuana with RO, the police will no longer be able to ransack your car or home because of the smell of marijuana, or because some neighbor who doesn’t like you reported you. Having marijuana will no longer be a crime – or anybody’s business.

            That’s a HUGE leap to freedom, you astoundingly ignore.

          • TheBrownHornet

            I can never ignore the B.S. probable cause(s) police use. I have been the victim of it more times than I can count in my 40 years. Never in my home, though. Always in my car. If the police want to know who you are, they can make up whatever reason they want to pull you over and get completely in your business. No signal, B.S. illegal lane change, B.S. Failure to make a complete stop, B.S. This is a high crime area, B.S. This car was reported stolen, B.S. You fit the description, B.S. Even when all my paperwork is in order, and it always is, they still ask to search. I always say bring the canine and your supervisor. They let it go every time. I never received a ticket though, strange. But make no mistake, I’m all for freedom, ending slavery gained it for my family, I guess I haven’t expressed that clearly enough though.

          • jontomas

            Sure. The police have too much power. But it’s clear that ending marijuana’s smell, or even visible presence, as probable cause will reduce that power greatly.

            Russ Belville reports ALL marijuana arrests – including for large amounts, grows, sales, etc. have gone way down in Colorado and Washington. – That’s primarily due to the removal of marijuana (smell, visibility, etc.) as probable cause.

          • TheBrownHornet

            You are missing my point. The police do what they want, not because of Cannabis laws, but because of an ingrained culture almost free of accountability. Take Cannabis away, and it becomes something else. Seat belts seem to be a favorite of police. It’s just like trading slavery for Jim Crow. New ways to do the same old things. My point is the harassment and ransacking will continue, just with different catalysts. The only way to change things is to get rid of judges that let this B.S. fly. Stop patting a cop on the back, or even better, scolding cops, for jail filling but ineffective arrests and all the B.S. goes away almost instantly.

    • jontomas

      Only greedy growers and the people they deceive will do so. – No well-informed marijuana consumer would ever vote to continue their own criminality. – The audacity of you disgruntled growers is amazing. It almost makes me wish they would legalize only growing and consuming – and keep it illegal to sell. — Marijuana reform was never about growers and sellers. – It’s all about ending the persecution of millions of good consumers.

    • jontomas

      I always said growers are great. But the minute they step over the line to support the continued persecution of marijuana consumers just to keep their outrageous prices, they are no better than any other drug gang and are enemies of reform.

      A word to the wise.

      • TheBrownHornet

        The growers margins are pretty large, I believe. It’s the actual dealers that will be out of business. I don’t think most growers are dealers. A dealer is probably the 4th or even 5th person in the chain. I believe growers can make adjustments to continue to thrive in the black market despite the proposed for of legalization. The proposed legalization may actually turn some growers into dealers. I have only met 2 growers and they were amongst the most secretive and paranoid people I have ever met. I guess you can call them cautious, but those guys never want to deal, just wholesale, if I’m making sense.

        • jontomas

          You don’t get it. The whole country is ending the fraudulent marijuana prohibition. There will be an insignificant black market, if any. Just as there are very few people trying to sell moonshine alcohol.

          Marijuana will be grown in the best climates and shipped to the rest of the country. Just like other produce. It will be sold wherever beer and wine are, next to the Marlboroughs.

          This is fine with consumers. Normal is what we want.

          • TheBrownHornet

            The whole country is NOT ending prohibition. Ohio has an amendment that will be on the ballot. I’m all for forward thinking in a positive way, but you are saying things that are not happening. RO is not putting up all this money to lose business to out of state producers. RO is putting up all the money so they won’t have to compete.

          • jacob

            Their putting up the money to get the job done. End of story. Ohio gov pulled out the big guns to fight. ..you dont think there doing the same to anyone else in the future? Your mistaken…YES RO COULD HAVE BEEN WAY BETTER but its what we have to work with until NATIONAL REFORM…no grassroots effort will pass on the east coast, look at Michigan(not east coast) next year 3 groups on ballot, and in their polls THE BIG MONEY is surpassing the others…oh so do you think dc was grass roots nah….FREE DELISEY in Florida will only get out if money investors step in, no grassroots will pass it there…. Pennsylvania big money investors…I can go on and on

          • jacob

            FREE DELISI**….and on top of it FREE DELISI FREE DELISI….so strange and sad what is STILL happening to this man, the faster every state legalized the faster he gets released (try Google)

        • jontomas

          The national market will blossom as soon as 2017. It will absorb Ohio’s market. Marijuana will be grown in the best climates, and shipped everywhere else – like all other produce.

          Marijuana will eventually be sold wherever beer and wine are, next to the Marlboroughs. That’s what consumers want – normal. – There will not be a significant black-market just as there is no significant black-market in people selling moon-shine alcohol.

          • TheBrownHornet

            I love your optimism. I believe the national ban will end in more like 2020’s, but I’m not trying to debate that. I do believe it will be mostly locally based though. Kind of how Pepsi and Coca-Cola have local bottlers. But bring on the competition, from other states and even other countries! Everyone wins then! I just wonder how much the next presidential race will cover the issue. I think that will really tell us a lot about the timing of our wanted changes to the laws.

          • jontomas

            The fraudulent federal prohibition is already crumbling. You can see it in public support, the mainstream media, and even in politics. – After California and some others join to hugely bolster the Free States next year, the insane witch-hunt will collaspe under its own dead weight.

      • Mick Man

        I agree with you Gandalf. It isn’t about shops. It’s about not having the gestapo get you.

    • jacob

      So let me g uesss you think UTEP will be on the ballot 16′?

  • TheBrownHornet

    Scenario: I own a shop but RO will only sell the most popular strains to shops that compete with me in my region. What’s my recourse? RO wants to raise their prices. What’s my recourse? The quality of RO product is below that of the black market. What’s my recourse? Since growing for commercial sale is out of the question for me I would make a substantial financial investment just to put all my faith in RO. That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m anti-persecution and prosecution, but I think this is a dark path to go down. The best analogy I can make is Oliver Twist, “……please more porridge, sir.” I want smokers and derivative users to have all the freedom they can handle! I would enjoy meeting you all and serving you cannabis needs with pride and honor. I just want the freedom to choose, just as any private citizen or business has in virtually every other industry. That’s it and that’s all.

    • jontomas

      You’re having a problem with it because you’re focusing on the short-term effects you don’t like. Marijuana reform is not about the growers and sellers. It’s about freeing consumers. RO does that. Consumers don’t care what the retail structure is like.

      All good things flow from ending the war on marijuana consumers. Even everything you want. The national marijuana market will flower – so to speak – as soon as 2017, soon after, absorbing Ohio. So the advantage RO investers have will be brief.

      • TheBrownHornet

        You are right, it is about freeing consumers. Freedom means choices, for all involved. That’s the only part I have a problem with, the lack thereof.

        • jontomas

          Freedom means choices that don’t include have the police arrest you. – Anything else is a false “choice.”

          There will be plenty of choice. R.O. investors will have to compete with the products coming out of the other Free States and the national market will take over as soon as 2017.

          • TheBrownHornet

            I didn’t know any individual had a choice in whether a cop arrests them or not. The false choice is any RO product offering. If not RO, then what’s the option? None. Colorado & Oregon don’t have a “trade” agreement right now, because it’s still illegal in surrounding states. I keep reading “2017, 2017”, I’m referring to right now. What’s being proposed right now. What will actually be in front of the voters.

    • Drew

      Scenario: How will cannabis smokers’ lives change if this is passed? Tens of thousands of Ohioans will no longer be arrested, jailed, fined, or imprisoned. Their records will remain clean, their lives unruined. Anyone can grow their own. Dealers from before RO will probably still be around for anyone who doesn’t like the official strains grown. Prices will go WAY down. And some pathetic trolls will make as many posts as they can trying to obscure these positive developments.

    • jacob

      In their amendment it states that the 10 grow sites are NOT aloud to compete for raising prices (the 7 ppl the GOVERNOR appts) controls this and only supply and demand controls price

  • scottay

    I will say this….I had plans to do a co-op grow/dispensery (medical grade) …..with RO friends/investors providing all the cannabis you HAVE TO buy their product! 1: they can charge what they want because they have the whole ohio market cornered (in theirs) 2: how is this cannabis being grown? Are insecticides being used? Are they feeding plants synthetic ferts?? What about totally organic? Is there any mold issue? Etc 3: is having a dispencery gonna be like a franchise with RO growers? Just a few things to ponder….do I want ohio legalised?? Hellllll yeahhhh……but are we consumers gonna be satisfied with price/quality……Im just afraid of setting a dangerous precedent before it even starts!

    • jontomas

      Supply and demand will settle it all. – It’s only sun-grown organic for me.

    • jacob

      The acting governor (who is against legalization) appoints 7 members to a MJ commission(NOT RO) (just like alcohol) and they have the right to close any large grow entity for any reason (not up to standards) and ADD more grow entities to the magic 10…

  • Drew

    To me there is no question that this gets a YES vote. Thousands of people will no longer be arrested. A medical program will be put in place. Personal grows will be allowed. And most of the East Coast will have a short drive for a legal supply.

    That BS with the suppliers monopoly will be fixed in a couple of years after legalization. In the meantime, who other than a dealer would pass up the chance to smoke (and grow!) without penalty?

  • jacob

    How many college students lose their scholarship over a damn 20 sack? How many kids does it take to suffer from seizures to get it threw everyone’s thick skull? Let’s pass RO and I guarantee us the people will fight for their 10 grow site reform…once it is LEGAL more people that are closet smokers/advocates will come out…some are to scared because of they way it looks in the public view or their job…RO will be forced to change how commercial growing will go because us the people will change them….the government isvery ccorrupt and there adding these measures to block RO so next year you think their just going to let OTEP roll threw? I THINK NOT AND IF YOU DO WAKE UP!!! Lets pass ro and then fight them instead of fighting the government…RO has some serious money to fight the government..everyone wants to complain cartel this cartel that…guess what no other group has this money power to fight the government’s control because ohio will do anytging to keep prohibition ( obviously because there proposal is one of the worst in prohibition history)…PLEASE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE IS TO MANY SICK CHILDREN…LET ALONE PEOPLE THAT NEED LEGAL MEDICINE NOW, NOT NEXT YEAR….but once they pass us citizens will give them the chance to helo us out or were banding together with more force then now…dont believe me just wait if this passes, just wait until u see this legal how many new advocates come out!!