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Ohio Marijuana Campaign’s Voter Registrations Are Being Questioned

ohio marijuanaThe ResponsibleOhio campaign seeks to legalize marijuana for adults in Ohio. The campaign has received a lot of criticism because it only allows ten entities to grow marijuana for profit if the initiative passes. The initiative didn’t have a home grow provision at first, but a provision was added to allow home grow after the campaign received a lot of feedback. I know that a lot of orgs and prominent activists have came out publicly opposing the initiative, while others have refrained from opposing it, but haven’t issued an endorsement yet. To be fair, I haven’t seen any organization or prominent activist that has opposed the measure step up and promise to bring a better initiative in the future, complete with language polling and sufficient funding.

I will be the first to admit that the initiative is far from perfect. There are certainly provisions that I don’t like. However, I don’t like every provision of prohibition, and I have always said that I will support any effort that moves us away from prohibition. I will obviously continue to push for better legalization models, but I don’t think that just because an initiative isn’t perfect that it should be instantly condemned until a perfect one comes along in the future, if at all.

The Ohio campaign experienced a setback this week when the Ohio Secretary of State told election officials to heavily scrutinize voter registrations that were gathered by a company the campaign hired. Per Marijuana Business Daily:

Ohio’s secretary of state told election officials to scrutinize new voter registrations submitted by a group pushing a marijuana legalization measure in the state, accusing a company hired to gather signatures of “sloppiness” and potentially fraudulent activity.

Jon Husted, the secretary of state, said he’s received reports that submissions by The Strategy Network contained non-existent addresses, illegible signatures and underage registrants, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer and the Associated Press.

The Strategy Network is collecting signatures for ResponsibleOhio’s campaign to legalize medical and recreational cannabis.

ResponsibleOhio head Ian James said he’s received no indication from Husted’s office that any problems existed and that he’s “flummoxed” by the announcement, the AP reported. The group said it’s gathered more than 550,000 signatures, well over what’s needed to get its legalization proposal on the ballot.

I don’t live in Ohio, so I leave the decision to vote for or against the Ohio initiative to the citizens of that state. I of course live in Oregon, where marijuana is about to be legal starting next month. Measure 91 received a lot of scrutiny when it was on the ballot, and there are still people out there that wish it had never passed. But it was clearly better than prohibition, and so I voted for it.

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  • Scott Dahlstrom

    I see this as being more of a political witch hunt against the initiative than anything else. The Secretary of State has clearly come out against the RO initiative, so the fact that he wants their signatures gone through with a fine tooth comb is not surprising. My concern is how many mountains will be made out of molehills when they do find irregularities on the voter registration forms (and they will find some).

  • jontomas

    Great article!

    >>>”I don’t think that just because an initiative isn’t perfect that it should be instantly condemned until a perfect one comes along in the future, if at all.”

    Amen! – All progress is terrific! – It especially beats nebulous promises of a “better” initiative that will likely never materialize.

    • BlueJaySays

      Maybe a “better” initiative is already available to support – or maybe not, as the case may be. Check out the language of the “Ohioans to End Prohibition” initiative named “Cannabis Control Amendment “which is collecting sigs for November 2016. It was certified by the Ohio attorney general two days ago.

      http://www.legalizeohio2016.org/amendment

  • J C Uncapher

    say NO to ResponsibleOhio, say No to being screwed over by wealthy individuals who don’t give a damn about the citizens of Ohio!!!

    ResponsibleOhio’s ballot initiative is not the right way to get legalized cannabis in Ohio, it is an oligopoly and only allows for 10 wealthy people to benefit from making cannabis legal… the rich will get richer and the poor will stay poor if you vote for this legal cartel ballot initiative!!!

    • jontomas

      LOL – That’s just what the greedy growers said in California, Washington, Colorado and Oregon in those initiative struggles.

      “It’s not the right way to stop persecuting thousands of good people. – We must wait for the pie-in-the-sky.”

      No thanks. Give us RO – quick!

      • BlueJaySays

        Legalization is likely coming to California in 2016. CA will eventually be glad that Prop 19 didn’t pass – they have MMJ and decrim there anyways so a while longer waiting for a better composed Init will be totally worthwhile when all is said and done over there.

        You wanna change the Constitution of Ohio to allow 10 greedy investors to permanently run the show for everyone in Ohio?

        Not so fast – think again, my friend. The Panic Button is not an option when there is so very much at stake.

        • jontomas

          Don’t speak for California. We are definitely NOT happy Prop 19 didn’t pass. Only the greedy growers and dispensary owners are. – That’s not to say all of them. The enlightened ones supported Prop 19.

          Who grows what is not the great “stakes.” It is the vicious, government persecution of marijuana consumers – the real stakeholders – that matters.

          There’s no way we will trade that freedom for nebulous promises of a “better” initiative, “someday.”

          • BlueJaySays

            jontomas >Don’t speak for California.

            I am not speaking FOR California. I am speaking ABOUT California – big difference.

            >We are definitely NOT happy Prop 19 didn’t pass.

            Hey, jontomas – WHO is the WE?? You speak only for YOURSELF. As do I or anyone else.

            >Who grows what is not the great “stakes.” It is the vicious, government persecution of marijuana consumers – the real stakeholders – that matters.

            Yes and yes – but you think that CO, WA, OR, AK would have passed voter inits without the general electorate assent to the taxation elements of the proposed Inits???

            Heck, no. It’s the price that WE – cannabis users – have to pay to stop all the c**p that has been happening to us for the past several decades.

            Nevertheless – who is allowed to grow what and who is allowed to sell what is a major concern when it comes to passing a marijuana initiative. No mistake about it.

            The ResponsibleOhio Init contains a close-out paragraph that allows ten pre-determined investment holders to produce marijuana in Ohio.

            So speak clearly, please – WHAT’S TO LIKE???

            Ohio already has another marijuana Init to consider – and it’s not “someday” as you put it – and for the third time I say it – “Ohioans to End Prohibition” passed the “Cannabis Control Amendment” with the Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine on Wednesday June 17 to collect sigs for the November 2016 ballot three days ago. But I guess you know that already as I mentioned it in TWO previous comments.

            So might you quit now about your “someday” comments, please?

          • Would you regulate the growing of tomatoes the way RO proposes for cannabis?

          • jontomas

            I sure would, if the government was persecuting people for possessing tomatoes.

          • The government will still be persecuting people for possessing cannabis. Non-cartel cannabis.

          • JohnB

            Please take this opportunity to show any evidence whatsoever that this is more than hyper-paranoid conjecture.
            Perhaps you can find some text from the amendment to support your assertion.

    • BlueJaySays

      Agreed, but don’t worry. State is working on it right now to stop the proposed marijuana cartel Initiative of RO from happening. Only a fair and open Init will be able to legally get through if the State ballot gets the vote to stop people from buying the constitution in November.

      “Critics label the proposal by ResponsibleOhio as a marijuana cartel. “The best way is to rule out the ability of rich people to buy the constitution through referendum and initiative,” Faber said. “We’ll work to make that happen.” If lawmakers want to place an issue on the November ballot to potentially derail the marijuana proposal, they will have to act quickly. The deadline to do so is the first week of August, but legislators are expected to finish their work for the summer at the end of June.”

      http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/06/07/legislators-want-ballot-issue-to-block-economic-monopolies.html

  • Bugz

    Local marijuana dealers will not be able to profit and might have to get a day job, and my private prison stock will go down! Don’t allow legal access to sick people, cuz we all know they just wanna get high. Kids with epilepsy, people with seizures don’t deserve it, if each of us can’t grow fields next to our neighbors. Allowing home growing is criminal because having four plants and 8 oz isn’t enough so prohibition is better. They are going to put you in jail if your plants grow shoots and you don’t cut them fast enough. Politicians know what they are doing by wanting to take away our voter rights to an initiative process because only they should be able to make laws that benefit anyone or specific groups like trying to change union rights, affirmative action laws, monopolies on the lottery, Ohio state ran liquor stores, cable providers…Don’t vote for this legalization bill that would provide ten properties with commercial grow rights ran by ten different local businesses, in addition to home grower rights at home for all, retail store licenses, manufacturing of edibles licenses, dispensary licenses, patient prescription amounts to patients, caregiver licenses, a state commission that can add more properties with commercial grow rights and a future industry because this isn’t enough.
    Some of the crap people are saying is ridiculous! End the stupidity, End prohibition….Vote for RO in 2015! Politicians are going crazy and have said there is no chance they will pass anything! A CBD bill had less support with 9 co-sponsors in Ohio than making “hang on sloopy” the state rock song at 29 co-sponsors. If you think after nearly a decade of fighting for legalization that an initiative with no money behind it will come our way, you just might be naive and waiting like Mississippi did as the last state to legalize alcohol in 1966, just saying it isn’t a free process –out of nearly 85 cannabis initiatives ballot stats saying nearly 400 million was spent, and Ohio cost is at the top. The Ohio Rights Group is for only medical, polling at 84% support, but after two years and same people with initiatives before also years before that, still don’t even have half the number of signatures needed to get to a ballot vote. It isn’t going anywhere without backing Ohio.

    • Jailing people for selling unlicensed cannabis is not ending Prohibition. It is exchanging illegal cartels for legal cartels.

      No more taxed or regulated than tomatoes.

      • jontomas

        Marijuana reform is a process – not an event. RO moves the ball almost to the goal line.

        • BlueJaySays

          In Ohio this ResponsibleOhio Init is not a process – IT IS AN EVENT – it changes the Constitution of Ohio. And ResponsibleOhio knows that. Trying to change it back would be near impossible. The casino guys who changed it already in their favor are laughing all the way to the bank – which is the reason why State doesn’t want it to happen again.

          And when State passes their anti-cartel Init come November, I hope they write it to make it retrospective to close-down the casino Init that created the cartel million/billionaires in the first place.

          It is true that we can all learn by our mistakes.

          • jontomas

            LOL! – Changing the Constitution is easily doable with RO, but it will “near impossible” in the future. 8^)

            Nonsense. – We will continue to refine marijuana policy until it reaches its optimum form, just like we did with alcohol after ending ITS prohibition.

            Further, the impending national market will make all the grower provisions moot.

            Marijuana will be grown in the most agreeable climates and shipped everywhere else – just like all other produce.

          • Ah. But interstate commerce in alcohol is Federally controlled. And if a State does not wish to see certain products imported the State and Feds will see to it.

          • jontomas

            That’s fine, if backwards states want to opt out. They will eventually find they have marginalized themselves from tourism, conventions, and other interstate commerce.

            This effect will be magnified by the fact alcohol is the most destructive recreational drug, while marijuana is the least harmful one.

          • Well OK. Boycott Ohio.

          • jontomas

            It doesn’t look like Ohio will be one of the backward states. If RO succeeds, Ohio will experience a tourism renaissance, boosting the economy greatly.

          • Kyle

            This marijuana legislation is so shitty it has ZERO tourism value, why the hell would anyone travel here to buy weed when you only have 10 growers??? Give me a break, this is nothing like Colorado’s legislation, where there’s 1000+ growers with many different strains and other products. That’s like saying if Maine builds 10 golf courses tourism will explode because you can golf at 10 locations throughout the state…

            The tourism argument is actually comical,…..disparate but comical.
            http://time.com/3921751/ohio-marijuana-ballot-measure/

          • Dan Frybarger

            Get real. Are you an investor in RO. You haven’t made a valid point so far. The people want a free market and those who see through the RO scam are willing to wait.

          • jontomas

            LOL! – Spin away, frybaby. The Truth is marching over your feeble, greedy protests.

            The people want their freedom, and don’t care about how the retail market is structured.

          • Dan Frybarger

            Yeah it’ll be easy 10 years down the road. Vote no to this cartel scam. Legalizeohio2016.org is the answer. Don’t let these crooks into our state.

          • Kyle

            The first step with RO is also the last step, once these guys get their monopoly they will NEVER let it go.

          • Dan Frybarger

            Way easier not to make mistakes than to try to get them fixed. Vote no to the RO scam. vote yes to the anti monopoly bill.
            Legalizeohio2016.org

        • Almost. If you don’t count keeping the black market alive and getting the police to support a legal cartel.

          An open market is the only way to find out what the real price of cannabis is. We will get the cartel price. Fine. Make them a public utility. If they want to be a cartel government should have rules and regulations about what costs are allowed and how much profit they can make.

          Other wise something simpler:

          No more taxed or regulated than tomatoes.

      • Kyle

        Perfectly said, this legilastion is a shit sandwich for Ohio, not only will it create a Monopoly, it will make current MJ laws MORE STRICT!!! The current prohibition laws in Ohio are more lax than what is in the RO Monopoly. They will reduce the possession amount from 3.5oz to 1oz AND you’ll have to prove it came from 1 of the 10 monopoly holders.

        • Dan Frybarger

          You got it kyle. Vote no to Ro

        • jontomas

          Wrong and wrong can be. This will bring freedom and help to usher in American Spring. – Of course, greedy growers don’t care about things like that.

          • Kyle

            Freedom, maybe for your 10 growers and that’s about it, and what is this “greedy growers” you keep throwing around? The only GREEDY GROWERS ARE RO SINCE THEY WON’T ALLOW ANYONE TO GROW BUT THEIR ANOINTED 10. The term is accurate for ResponsibleOhio since they are so GREEDY they will only allow 10 multimillionaires to grow..No thanks

        • JohnB

          “you’ll have to prove it came from 1 of the 10 monopoly holders.”

          OK, Kyle, one more time, please show us the text of the amendment that says this.

          Everyone else who is reading can take Kyle’s silence that will follow this request for proof as evidence that he’s just a plain liar.

          • Kyle

            I’ve posted the language for you on other forums already, whey do I continue to have to go back and repost it again and again???

      • Dan Frybarger

        Free market for Ohio. Legalizeohio2016.org is the way.

  • ME ME

    It is time to vote these people out that are fighting marijuana legalization any way they can vote them out. I am going to vote only for people that stands up to legalize marijuana. vote them out of office when they run again.

    • BlueJaySays

      Look at the home page of the web site of ResponsibleOhio. They are using videos of unwell children in order to elicit sympathy to create impetus for the electorate to support voter support to push through their proposed cartel monopoly initiative for ten commercial investors which could, potentially, over the medium to long term, make them billionaires by changing the Constitution of Ohio by closing out licensing options for the cannabis community in general.

      WHO are these f****g investors who are pushing this initiative? Do you know their names? Is this a proposal for a legalized marijuana cartel, or not?

      Please, think about this. If this isn’t sick, then I truly don’t know what is.

      I’m for the cannabis users of Ohio – the people who are currently incarcerated in prison, the people who have been given criminal records land all the darn rest of it. Give the cannabis community in Ohio the opportunity to get grow and outlet licenses.

      By all means support do-able initiatives that come out of Ohio – but please, campaigners, come out, declare yourselves and *Oppose* the ResponsibleOhio initiative.

      • jontomas

        >>>”I’m for the cannabis users of Ohio”

        Wow. What a lie. – You support the black-market growers, period.

        You work AGAINST the consumers by trying to fool them to vote against their own freedom.

        I’d rather see NO sales allowed than to see parasites like you benefit in any way.

        • BlueJaySays

          “Vote against their own freedom”??? That’s EXACTLY what the ResponsibleOhio initiative is about. It closes out the opportunity for everyone except the ten commercial growers to provide marijuana to the people of Ohio by changing the Constitution.

          So your comment begs the question – whose payroll are YOU on???

          I’m not on anyone’s payroll.

          • jontomas

            It’s funny how you greedy growers have selective reading.

            One more time. It’s not important to marijuana consumers how the retail system is structured. – What’s important is ending the vicious, government persecution of consumers ASAP.

            I’ve already demonstrated to most here for years, that I make no money, or ever plan to make any money, from marijuana.

            I imagine you’re on your own “payroll” – exploiting the victims of marijuana prohibition while trying to convince them to “wait for something better.”

            Forget it.

          • Mooster75

            Watch out that you don’t get hay fever building those strawmen.

          • jontomas

            You obviously don’t know what a straw man argument is.

          • Kyle

            HAHA, there’s the greedy grower accusation. You know they’re loosing the argument when this starts. Current Ohio prohibition is BETTER than what RO is proposing. Ohio decriminalized weed years go. Now, under RO the current decriminalized amount of 3.5oz will be reduced to 1oz!!!! They are making possession
            laws MORE strict than they currently are. More people will end up in
            Jail, in court, ruined careers etc if RO passes…vote no

            http://time.com/3921751/ohio-marijuana-ballot-measure/

          • jontomas

            You continue to confuse marijuana sellers with consumers. That you don’t care consumers are left to be persecuted shows how you are not really part of the cannabis community. – You just exploit their suffering.

          • Kyle

            Here it is again, if anyone is exploiting anything it’s RO’s DISGUSTING USE OF SICK CHILDREN ON THEIR WEBSITE!!! Those kids would need Cannabis Oi. Which coincidentally, under RO’s plan, you cannot buy enough weed in a single trip to actually make any for the sick kids.

          • JohnB

            Kyle, the illogic of that assertion is ridiculous. Why in the world would anyone who is buying from a retail outlet buy cannabis in multiple trips to make an oil that will be readily available in that very same store?
            More importantly, why would any parent who is buying oil for a child go to a retail store when a non-profit medical dispensary will have that same oil available at “the lowest wholesale price?”

        • BlueJaySays

          >>>”I’m for the cannabis users of Ohio”

          >Wow. What a lie. – You support the black-market growers, period.

          Considering that you know nothing about me it is IDIOTIC for you to make such a statement.

          Clearly, my focussed comments are making you angry.

          You may, by choice, support a future marijuana cartel in Ohio, but myself – AND STATE – and many focussed campaigners are going to work their butts off to make sure that it doesn’t happen. Word.

          • jontomas

            There is only one reason to be against RO. That’s if you are black-market grower that doesn’t mind continuing to make money off the persecution of marijuana consumers.

          • Kyle

            I like how all the RO people immediately call us informed voters drug dealers or growers. We know what you’re trying to do and we’re trying to inform everyone so you can be stopped, that’s all

        • Kyle

          I’ll support anything that’s NOT RO, Black market, blue market, no market, I don’t care so long as RO and their monopoly fails. I’ve already contacted every Ohio legislator complaining about this Monopoly trying to be pushed on us. Like I said…..doing anything I can to stop this shiiiit

          • jontomas

            It’s a good thing there are more consumers than greedy growers. You will fail, thank Gaia. Then you will fade back into the woodwork, like the greedy growers who fought against legalization in Colorado, Washington and Oregon. (And soon, in California)

          • JohnB

            Kyle, maybe you need to put down those Marvel comic books and read some Literature instead.
            Given your Ahab-like obsession with RO, I highly recommend Moby Dick.

          • Kyle

            maybe your wife should read that, it’s probably the closest she’ll get

          • JohnB

            How could I have predicted that comment would go over your semi-literate head?
            That’s a nice juvenile response, though, Kyle.

          • Kyle

            I thought it was funny

          • JohnB

            I’ll give you this; you sure are very emotionally invested in your opposition to RO.

          • Kyle

            Nobody should be granted a monopoly, plain and simple. When I see them being as disingenuous as they were during their signature collections, well I felt someone needed to say something.

          • JohnB

            I bet if there were a way for the business you say you own to get a monopoly, you’d be all over it.
            Or, are you trying to tell me that you would forego greater profits in order to be true to your ideals?

          • Kyle

            Actually, I did have the opportunity to monopolize about 5 years when the government passed a certain set of regulations that affected what I do. Instead of going that route, I reached out to 3 of my competitors, all from other other states to see if they would be interested in working together. Without going into detail, The 4 of us saved the niche industry we are in for everyone. By us 4 working together we not only saved ourselves but also 15 other competitors that invested ZERO.

            Having a monopoly, in my opinion wasn’t/isn’t good for the business or any business in general. Yes I could have been the only one doing what we do, but what good would that have done? We’re a niche market and having competitors helps to drive awareness and innovation. Monopolies do nothing but foster mediocrity and complacency, neither of which are good for the customer or the business.

            So, no, I have no interest in owning a Monopoly and I still make a hell of a lot of money.

        • Dan Frybarger

          RO supports the black market more so than anyone. Their inflated prices and control over the entire legal supply will be the best thing to ever happen to the black market.

      • Kyle

        Oh, RO is DISGUSTING WITH THEIR USE OF CHILDREN TO PUSH THEIR MONOPOLY, I got blocked on their site the first time I posted that comment. That’s what pissed me off the most about them and why I’ll go after them on every article I can find until election days.

        • Dan Frybarger

          That’s right kyle if you’re smart enough to understand they’re a scam they don’t want to hear from you.

  • BlueJaySays

    “I know that a lot of orgs and prominent activists have came out publicly opposing the initiative, while others have refrained from opposing it, but haven’t issued an endorsement yet.”

    The fact is not only that “it only allows ten entities to grow marijuana for profit if the initiative passes” sucks but also that the Init would amend the Constitution of the State of Ohio – much as the casino stuff did a few years ago – and on both of these counts I would say that campaigners for marijuana use legalization need to come out and oppose it.

    Yeah, yeah, there will be accusations that we are acting in a prohibitionist manner by not endorsing the Init, but whatever – legalization IS coming to Ohio and the Init that wins doesn’t have to read as bad as what ResponsibleOhio’s does. Besides, the guy in charge is paying his own company $6 million (yeah, that’s six million dollars) to organize this campaign.

    Speak out guys, before it’s too late.

    • jontomas

      >>>”legalization IS coming to Ohio”

      We only know that with RO. No other initiative is on the horizon or shows they have anywhere near the resources to carry out the process.

      No thanks. We’ll take the bird in the bush.

      Who gets to sell what is not that important.
      What’s important is to end the persecution of all adult marijuana consumers – now.

    • jontomas

      My response to you is “waiting to be approved,” for some reason.

      • BlueJaySays

        Well something this important deserves to be thoroughly investigated. Go ahead, please, do your research.

        • jontomas

          >>>”legalization is coming to Ohio.”
          We only know that with RO. No other initiative is on the horizon or shows they have anywhere near the resources to carry out the process.

          No thanks. We’ll take the the reality of this freedom instead of waiting for a “better” initiative that will never materialize.

          Who gets to sell what is not that important.
          What’s important is to end the persecution of all adult marijuana consumers – now.

          • BlueJaySays

            >No other initiative is on the horizon

            Patently untrue. How far IS your “horizon???” “Ohioans to End Prohibition” passed the “Cannabis Control Amendment” with the Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine on Wednesday June 17 to collect sigs for the November 2016 ballot three days ago. But I guess you know that already as I mentioned it in a previous comment.

            And who else is yet to come with an Init? Let’s see now…

            >Who gets to sell what is not that important.

            Woah, foolish then. Closing out the cannabis community for production and sales licenses is clearly not an issue in your book then? DUH.

            >What’s important is to end the persecution of all adult marijuana consumers – now.

            Soon. But it won’t be the ResponsibleOhio limited cartel that gets it. State will make sure of that come November (along with me and a HOST of other focussed campaigners.)

          • Kyle

            What an idiot you are…..”who gets to sell what isn’t important” I feel stupid for even quoting that, I can’t imagine how you fell actually writing it….

        • jontomas

          What a nonsensical reply.

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  • newageblues

    People who support OTEP should be gathering signatures now for all they’re worth. If they can show enough progress by this Nov, it would make it much easier to vote against RO, knowing that something better will be on the ballot in 2016. If no alternative to RO is likely in 21016, 2018 is problematic because it’s an off year, and 2020 is a very long time to wait.

    • jontomas

      Good idea. So support RO, until we see if a “better” alternative really emerges.

      • newageblues

        Well off consumers get everything they need from RO: legal status, affordable prices, being able to grow in their home. Poor people get far less. The obvious remedy is community gardens. I know it’s too late to change the initiative, but it’s a needed improvement, and I’d feel a lot better about their initiative and their motives, if they pledged to push for this in the future. The gap between what they are offering people who can grow on their own property and those who can’t is too large.

        • jontomas

          Everyone will be MUCH better off, since this removes probable cause for police to harass/arrest marijuana consumers.

          Only the black-market growers will suffer. And that’s where all the noise is coming from.

          • newageblues

            And how many more years before everyone will have access to growing their own? How many more years of prohibition level pricing? Some people here are exaggerating how hard it will be to make changes to RO’s amendment (‘nearly impossible’) but you’re making changing RO sound simple by putting your faith in an impending ‘national market’ which may take a lot longer than you think to arrive.
            There’s every reason to think RO is going to throw the same resources into maintaining their monopoly that they are throwing into creating it, you’re too quick to dismiss that as a serious issue.

        • JohnB

          The amendment specifically provides for subsidized or even free cannabis for any medical users who cannot afford the full (wholesale) price.
          The state will operate the non-profit dispensaries, using funds from the taxes collected on retail and wholesale cannabis sales.

    • JohnB

      It HAS NOT been approved for signature gathering yet.

      Given the stubborn idealism of the authors of OTEP’s proposal, it may never pass muster as a SINGLE ballot issue, and thus won’t ever be approved for signature gathering.

      As long as OTEP insists on including issues such as hemp and employment law, they will never get the thing down to a single legal issue.

      Unless they can figure out that you eat an elephant one bite at a time, not whole, as RO’s lawyers did, they will never get anywhere.

      • newageblues

        Sorry to hear that.

  • Dan Frybarger

    Responsible Ohio is a scam. A few rich investors hoping to capture an up and coming market before it is fully established. Vote no to RO. Vote yes on the amendment to prevent monopolies in Ohio.
    Ohioans to end prohibition has a much better plan that will benefit all.

    • jontomas

      No thanks. Marijuana reform is not about the growers and sellers. It’s about ending the vicious, government persecution of consumers ASAP. – RO does that.

      It doesn’t matter who buys and sells marijuana. There will soon be national market that will operate by supply and demand.

      Ohioans To End Prohibition haven’t got a prayer of getting an initiative on the ballot.

      RO ends the monstrous war on marijuana consumers.

    • jontomas

      No. Read the discussion below. – There is no scam. Everything is open and above-board. It is great bargain for the people! – It ends their vicious persecution by the government.

      No other initiatives have shown they have the ability to get on the ballot. It’s insane to reject freedom for some very remote possibly “better” initiative in the future.

      Marijuana reform was never about the growers and sellers. It’s about ending the monstrous war on millions of marijuana consumers.

      • Kyle

        This is a scam, and Ohio already ended the “monstrous war” by decriminalizing weed years go. Now, under RO the current decriminalized amount of 3.5oz will be reduced to 1oz!!!! They are making possession laws MORE strict than they currently are. More people will end up in Jail, in court, ruined careers etc if RO passes…vote no

        • jontomas

          Of course they didn’t end the war. The citations they give for marijuana possession stay on your record and can cause tremendous havoc with their lives forever.

          • Kyle

            No they don’t Moron, there’s no record of anything for 3.5oz or less, under RO that’s reduced to 1oz and if you can’t prove it came from one of the Monopoly holders you’re going to be in serious trouble. Do you WANT more people to have their lives ruined??? It seems like you do

          • JohnB

            “if you can’t prove it came from one of the Monopoly holders you’re going to be in serious trouble”

            That’s just nonsense that you are inventing. There is zero text in the amendment that indicates anything even remotely close to this.

            You would know that if you had read it.

          • jontomas

            Moron? Tsk. I thought there was monitoring going on here.

            Anyway, Getting a marijuana citation in Ohio – for any amount – causes you to lose your driver’s license for six months. A permanent criminal record IS created – causing loss of jobs, housing, student loans, public benefits, inability to buy firearms, etc. – effecting almost any kind of activity that relies on background checks.

            [ Russ Belville Show – Thursday June 18 – Radical Rant – http://420radio.org/shows/rbs/ ]

          • Kyle

            What are you talking about?? That’s a total lie, here’s the link to prove NOTHING HAPPENS TO YOU FOR 3.5OZ OR LESS…SUCK IT BUDDY
            http://norml.org/laws/item/ohio-penalties-2

      • Dan Frybarger

        I’ve read, and UNDERSTAND way more about this than you do friend. You are just spewing the same old bull that the rest of the RO cronies seem to think will fool the public into voting for this scam.

        • jontomas

          No, friend. I’ve been a marijuana reform activist for 18 years, and a consumer for 45. – I see all events as clear as they can be seen.

          If you really want to know what’s what with marijuana reform, listen to the Russ Belville show on 420Radio.org

        • jontomas

          No, friend. I’ve been a marijuana reform activist for 18 years, and a consumer for 45. – I see all events as clear as they can be seen.

          If you really want to know what’s what with marijuana reform, listen to the Russ Belville show on 420Radio.org

        • jontomas

          No, friend. I’ve been a marijuana reform activist for 18 years, and a consumer for 45. – I see all events as clear as they can be seen.

          If you really want to know what’s what with marijuana reform, listen to the Russ Belville show on 420Radio org

        • jontomas

          No, friend. I’ve been a marijuana reform activist for 18 years, and a consumer for 45. – I see all events as clear as they can be seen.

          If you really want to know what’s what with marijuana reform, listen to the Russ Belville show on 420Radio org

    • JohnB

      When will OTEP be on the ballot?

      • Dan Frybarger

        Should be on 2016 ballot

        • JohnB

          OK, what evidence leads you to that conclusion?

          • Dan Frybarger

            RO is loosing support due to its one sided issues. Otep is approved and has a year to collect the necessary signatures. It is what the people want.

          • JohnB

            What evidence do you have, other than the comments by three or four individuals on this blog, that “RO is losing support?”
            The evidence to the contrary is that nearly 600,000 Ohio voters have signed their petition.
            Even if some of those signatures turn out to be invalid – as they always do in petition drives – that’s still an awful lot of support.

            OTEP is NOT approved yet; it has only cleared the Attorney general. It still has to clear the Secretary of State before it can begin collecting signatures.
            Do you have any evidence that is likely?

            The evidence to the contrary is that OTEP’s proposal contains at least three different legal issues.
            To clear the SoS, it must contain only one.

            Tell me again, please; when will OTEP be on the ballot?

            “Should be” isn’t good enough, since we already have one that “is.”

            I’m not trying to give you a hard time; I just want people to decide based on facts and logic, not wishful thinking.

            I’d love to see OTEP get on the ballot, but until they figure out that they can’t go after everything bad about prohibition all at once, they will fail.

  • jontomas

    The horizon is within the next six years. – OEP got permission to collect signatures. That’s just the first baby step, of course. Nothing really to crow about.

    >>>”Closing out the cannabis community for production and sales licenses is clearly not an issue in your book then?”

    It’s not sales. RO does not limit retailers. And no. production does not matter, as I’ve already spelled out several times. – The impending national market will establish common procedures that all states will follow.

    Yes. You could possibly delay the freedom of Ohio marijuana consumers, just as your ilk did in California. – Hopefully, Ohio voters will be smarter.

    • BlueJaySays

      I’m sure they will be. Heard the latest news? State is going to beat RO by 30 days and invalidate the Init. That means that smart voters will change over to support Ohioans To End Prohibition because if they don’t, there’s a possibility that weed use in Ohio will still be illegal after November vote.

      • jontomas

        You are making a huge assumption that the “anti-monopoly” amendment will pass.

        I’m betting Ohio voters will see through this ruse and knock it down.

  • jontomas

    >>>”You speak only for YOURSELF. As do I or anyone else.”

    No. I speak for all marijuana consumers, and have been doing so since 1997. – Ask Russ Belville. – You speak for corrupt, black-market growers.

    That another initiative group got permission to collect signatures for the 2016 vote is not much to crow about. Most groups like this never make it to the ballot. No intelligent consumer would give up the sure thing now for some nebulous ‘maybe’ in the future.

    >>>”WHAT’S TO LIKE?”

    Thanks for showing how blinded by greed you are. – Ending the vicious, government persecution of marijuana consumers is a big deal to real marijuana reformers – and consumers.

    • newageblues

      No one can speak for all cannabis consumers, that’s a pretty bizarre comment.

  • BlueJaySays

    This looks important. Maybe it’s time for RO supporters to change their support over to “Ohioans To End Prohibition,” else their votes for RO might be wasted and weed use in Ohio could still be illegal after the November vote:

    “Secretary of State Jon Husted said Friday a state “anti-monopoly” amendment proposed in the Ohio General Assembly will invalidate the marijuana amendment proposed by ResponsibleOhio, if they both pass, because it will take effect 30 days sooner. The two proposed amendments could potentially be on the same ballot Nov. 3. Mr. Husted said that the General Assembly’s proposed amendment prohibiting monopolies from being written into a constitutional amendment would take effect immediately upon passage, while the ResponsibleOhio amendment, being citizen-initiated, would take effect after 30 days. “Thus, should both proposed measures be approved, the anti-monopoly amendment put forth by the legislature would go into effect first and its provision banning a monopoly from inclusion in the constitution would serve as an effective roadblock to ResponsibleOhio’s amendment taking effect,” Mr. Husted said.”

    http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/06/20/Anti-monopoly-measure-would-void-marijuana-vote.html

    • jontomas

      Interesting grasping at straws in desperation, but no. — Responsible Ohio responds to the legislature’s proposed anti-voter amendment:

      “Lawmakers were obviously very calculated and strategic in writing their anti-voter amendment. We know politicians don’t want Ohioans to legalize marijuana, and they’ll do whatever they can to try to stand in the way of voters’ decision in November.”

      “This anti-voter amendment makes clear that if lawmakers had their way, they would trump the will of the people. But voters know the legislators’ initiative would limit their rights in our democracy.”

      “Right now, we aren’t focused on hypotheticals. We continue to collect signatures from the hundreds of thousands of Ohioans who want to see marijuana legalization on the ballot, Ohioans who overwhelmingly want a chance to decide in November.”

    • newageblues

      But “The Ohio Constitution provides that if two amendments pass in the same election and are in conflict, the one garnering the most votes would dominate.” It sounds like Husted’s interpretation would probably be challenged in court.

      “Still unclear is what would happen to the provisions of ResponsibleOhio’s proposal that are unrelated to the 10 commercial growing sites if both amendments pass.”

      If the legislators get their amendment on the ballot, this will become a key question. If both amendments win, it could wind up like in DC, where weed becomes legal, but no distribution system can be set up. This could conceivably give drug war reformers who can’t accept RO’s crony capitalism a reason to vote for it, if the objectionable monopoly provisions won’t be allowed to take effect.

      • Kyle

        Nothing could ever make me grant this 10 multimillionaires a monopoly….no way

        • newageblues

          I can understand that. Well, if you live in Ohio, I hope you’ll support a better initiative then, because the other ones aren’t going to make the ballot next year and win without a lot of help

          • Kyle

            I’ll support any legislation that is NOT a closed market Monopoly, RO is THE worst of the worst, the only people supporting this either have a vested interested or aren’t bright enough to understand what they’re voting for

            http://time.com/3921751/ohio-marijuana-ballot-measure/

          • jontomas

            In other words, you’re fine with the continued persecution of Ohio marijuana consumers, until somebody fashions a plan that will let you grow and sell marijuana. – Nice.

          • Kyle

            Here ya go buddy, just to show you there is no “vicious persecution” since Ohio has some of the most lax MJ laws in the country. Go spread your manure somewhere else…
            http://norml.org/laws/item/ohio-penalties-2

          • Kyle

            I’ll support any legislation that is NOT a closed market Monopoly, RO is THE worst of the worst, the only people supporting this either have a vested interested or aren’t bright enough to understand what they’re voting for

            http://time.com/3921751/ohio-marijuana-ballot-measure/

          • jontomas

            It’s best to support the initiative that DOES have a great chance of passing this year and will free marijuana consumers – Responsible Ohio. – Then we will improve on it until it reaches its ideal form.

          • newageblues

            “Then we will improve on it until it reaches its ideal form.”

            Governors and legislatures have shown amazing contempt for public opinion on the issue of cannabis. If 80%+ support for MMJ isn’t enough to get laws passed, or is only enough to get a very restrictive MMJ law passed, I don’t see how you can count on them, or on the MCC that the Ohio governor will appoint.
            And what will the RO cartel think about our attempts to improve it thru our own constitutional amendment? How much money will they be willing to spend to preserve their stranglehold on the market?

          • jontomas

            RO is only buying a short, temporary advantage. A kind of head start. The crumbling federal prohibition will likely collapse after California and some other states re-legalize next year.

            The national market will blossom rapidly and easily absorb Ohio – no matter what kinds of restrictions are in place.

            I don’t count on any politicians. Marijuana reform is teaching the country a great lesson – that a determined group of people with the truth on their side can move the nation, dragging the politicians kicking and screaming.

          • jontomas

            It’s best to support the initiative that DOES have a great chance of passing this year and will free marijuana consumers – Responsible Ohio. – Then we will improve on it until it reaches its ideal form.

  • Scottay

    Im one of the first to collect signatures for legal cannabis in Ohio……but responsible Ohio reeks of MONOPOLY!!! Ohio Rights Group has the right idea!!! What Ohio needs to do is stop fighting amongst the 4 initiatives & join TOGETHER!!!!! Ohio Rights Group already has over half the signatures to get this on the ballot for us VOTERS!!!! (We need 380,000+) c’monnnn Ohio ……come together in a UNITED FRONT & get this done by 2016!!!!! Its too late already this year…..lets get this legal in OHIO

    • jontomas

      No. It’s oligopoly at most, and only at one stage of the cannabis industry. It will be a brief advantage as the national market soon materializes. Ohio consumers are getting a great bargain.

      RO gets marijuana legal in Ohio this year.

      • Kyle

        If you don’t want to Believe High Time, check out TIME Magazine, they say it’s a Monopoly too, Ohio consuermers are getting a great baring??? To quote the idiotic Octodad, LOLOLOL. The only thing Ohio consumers would be getting is a big shit sandwich from RO ……VOTE NO!!
        http://time.com/3921751/ohio-marijuana-ballot-measure/

  • Kyle

    They should be questioned, they lied to people as they were getting signatures, there are videos of them telling people, “NO, we’re not with RO,we’re the blue team””, I also know a lot of people signed them with fake info for that exact reason

    • jontomas

      There are minor irregularities in every massive political effort. – That you would focus on them shows the weakness of your argument.

      The salient fact is RO ends the war on Ohio marijuana consumers.

      No other factor comes close in importance.

      • Kyle

        Oh yeah, it ends it all right, if it ends it why are there still maximum amounts and of those maximum amounts why are they being reduced by 2/3??? And why would you be required to prove that 1oz came 1 of the 10 Monopoly holders?? If they’re ending the war on weed there should be no limits, let alone limits that are reduced.

        • jontomas

          No. There are as many variations and levels of restrictions in marijuana legalization as there are numbers of different states. Some are more restrictive than RO’s. D.C. has no sales at all. Washington state has no home growing (yet). – But they ALL end the war on marijuana consumers. – And all consumers in those states are happy they have that freedom.

          You can’t spin this fact.

          • Kyle

            Doesn’t end anything, if it ended the “war on weed” then there would be no limits on what you could buy and take home, which would be reduced from 3.5oz to 1oz. Also, 1oz isn’t even enough to make cannabis oil, you would have to go back and forth a few times since you’re only allowed to take 1oz at a time.

          • JohnB

            Why would anyone buy cannabis flowers in order to make cannabis oil, when the already made oil is available for sale in the very same store that sells the buds?

          • jontomas

            For the same reason people buy raw chicken in the same store that sells roasted ones.

          • jontomas

            Irrelevant whining. – The limitations are similar to those in the four Free States.
            Consumers in Ohio, and the rest of the country would be ecstatic with the freedom to buy these amounts legally.

          • jontomas

            Irrelevant nitpicking. – The limitations are similar to those in the four Free States.

            Consumers in Ohio, and the rest of the country, would be ecstatic with the freedom to buy these amounts legally.

          • newageblues

            The war isn’t just the criminal penalties, it’s the prohibition level prices which still prevail everywhere, and the inability to grow your own, which will become a class based restriction in Ohio under RO, well off people will be able to grow their own, most poor people won’t. The people who most need to be able to grow their own will be the least likely to be allowed to

          • jontomas

            Right now, NO ONE is able to grow their own. It’s amazing how the anti-legalization people insist on comparing RO to some ideal plan that will not materialize in the near future – instead of to REALITY, today. I’m certain poor people will find it far easier to grow themselves than they do now.

            Plus, Ohio is neither an island, nor a country unto itself. – Marijuana reform is a national movement that will soon create a national market.

            Ohio’s little market will be absorbed by the collective. Resistance would be futile.

          • newageblues

            . “I’m certain poor people will find it far easier to grow themselves than they do now.”

            How are they going to grow themselves if their landlord says no?

            You’re making assumption about what will happen nationally that may take a lot longer than we want to happen.

            I’m not necessarily against this, there are important reasons to vote for it, but I’m not gonna pretend it isn’t terribly flawed, or that those flaws will be easy to fix.
            It doesn’t help at all that the people behind RO are so shadowy

        • jontomas

          No. There are as many variations and levels of restrictions in marijuana legalization as there are numbers of different states. Some are more restrictive than RO’s. D.C. has no sales at all. Washington state has no home growing (yet). – But they ALL end the war on marijuana consumers. – And all consumers in those states are happy they have that freedom.

          You can’t spin this fact.

        • JohnB

          “required to prove that 1oz came 1 of the 10 Monopoly holders”

          Please present us with the text of the amendment that says you must prove where you got your cannabis.

          • JohnB

            It’s eight hours and counting, even though the counter shows that Kyle was here and almost certainly read this text seven hours ago, and yet there is still no response from Kyle.

            I’ll ask again; please show the amendment text that says consumers are “required to prove that 1oz came 1 of the 10 Monopoly holders.”

      • Kyle

        Oh yeah, it ends it all right, if it ends it why are there still maximum amounts and of those maximum amounts why are they being reduced by 2/3??? And why would you be required to prove that 1oz came 1 of the 10 Monopoly holders?? If they’re ending the war on weed there should be no limits, let alone limits that are reduced.

      • dustin

        For stoners yes nothing else matters but having pot. For American citizens who are concerned with their communities’ economic development there are major issues with RO’s plan.

        Also if you enjoy quality product their is a huuuuuuge problem with their initiative.

        Personally as an Ohioan I wouldn’t like to see the homeless epidemic that has troubled many states that have allowed recreational use.

    • jontomas

      There are minor irregularities in every massive political effort. – That you would focus on them shows the weakness of your argument.

      The salient fact is RO ends the war on Ohio marijuana consumers.

      No other factor comes close in importance.

    • JohnB

      “I also know a lot of people signed them with fake info for that exact reason”

      So, you are saying that you associate with a preponderance of people who knowingly committed voter fraud, a felony?

      • Kyle

        I know that I had people tell me when RO LIED about who they were getting signatures for, they gave them bogus info. I think it had more to do with them fraudulently saying they weren’t RO but they were the “blue team”, at which point they just reciprocated the sentiment. Also, none registered as new voters, they singed the petition is the same ethical manner in which RO was collecting them, fair is fair.

        • JohnB

          Once again, as usual, you didn’t answer the question.
          You never answer the question or respond to the actual topic of any post that shows you are simply wrong.
          That’s awfully slippery and slimy.

          • Kyle

            The hell I haven’t, you guys like to pretend I don’t but that’s fine, we both know this shit sandwich won’t make it in November. When it fails I’ll let you and Yosemite (Mr.Ashley) stop by my business so you can see what the real world is like.

          • jontomas

            lol – You still haven’t answered his question.

  • jontomas

    LOL – Your continued denial of the fact RO ends the war on Ohio marijuana consumers is similar to ex-DEA agent, Michelle Leonhart, who, when under congressional investigation was repeatedly asked if heroin was more harmful than marijuana.

    Pathetically, she would just get that deer-in-the-headlights stare and mutter, “…all drugs are harmful.”

    It was a riot to see the congressman’s face get redder every time she did it.

    • Kyle

      RO doesn’t end the war on MJ by any means, you can keep trying to sell it but nobody’s buying it. If RO is going to end the wary on MJ, why would there still be maximum amounts you’re allowed to carry?? Not only that, why would they REDUCE the maximum amount you can carry from 3.5oz to 1oz???

      And just so I’m straight, are you calling me a DEA agent, a Drug dealer, a greedy grower? I can’t keep track anymore ……

      • jontomas

        Ask the folks in Colorado, Washington, Oregon and Alaska if they feel there is still a war on. They all have similar limits.

        I’ve been to Washington and Oregon and can witness they’re feeling as free as birds.

        It’s clear the only people against RO are prohibition profiteers, bigots, and black-market growers.

        • Kyle

          Have you also seen how many people and business owners from those states as well as Michigan say whats going on in Ohio is F’d up??? The customers and business owners in those states are flabbergasted that a closed market of this nature is even being discussed.

          • JohnB

            And idealists in other states will get up in arms just as the idealists here in Ohio are up in arms, but the tidal wave that is legalization-by-commercialization will roll on, especially in those states with constitutional amendment processes such as Ohio.
            Meanwhile, the savvy investor will spend their time figuring out how to profit from the movement, rather than swimming upstream against it.

          • Kyle

            The “savvy” investor would see this dog has fleas and stay the hell away from it. I don’t behoove you for wanting your little dispensary, but if you can’t grow there’s no point. The numbers they are throwing around are all hypothetical, it’s not like this is a franchise with historical data to look at. I would never bet my lively hood on 10 people that control a monopoly. You have no idea what your prices are going to actually be and from what I’ve seen they are quite a bit more than what you can currently get it for.

          • JohnB

            I hope you and any would-be investors in retail cannabis continue to think this way.

          • Kyle

            Don’t worry, I certainly wont’ change my mind. Even though you’ve mostly been a dbag, I’m going to put all else aside and just say “I caution you on this”, I know that doesn’t mean dick shit to you but at least I said it.

          • Kyle

            This isn’t about ideology, this is about stopping a Monopoly. What you’re trying to say is Kroger’s should be able to push a constitutional amendment saying they should be the only ones allowed to sell groceries in Ohio. The whole thing is absurd.

    • Kyle

      RO doesn’t end the war on MJ by any means, you can keep trying to sell it but nobody’s buying it. If RO is going to end the wary on MJ, why would there still be maximum amounts you’re allowed to carry?? Not only that, why would they REDUCE the maximum amount you can carry from 3.5oz to 1oz???

      And just so I’m straight, are you calling me a DEA agent, a Drug dealer, a greedy grower? I can’t keep track anymore ……

  • jontomas

    LOL – Your continued denial of the fact RO ends the war on Ohio marijuana consumers is similar to ex-DEA agent, Michelle Leonhart, who, when under congressional investigation was repeatedly asked if heroin was more harmful than marijuana.

    Pathetically, she would just get that deer-in-the-headlights stare and mutter, “…all drugs are harmful.”

    It was a riot to see the congressman’s face get redder every time she did it.

  • jontomas

    Wow! – Time magazine? – That bastion of marijuana reform?

    LOL!!!!!

    • Kyle

      My point is that TIME is a highly respected, moderate publication with no agenda either way. RO’s initiative is so preposterous , and so crooked that even a national publication such as TIME has picked up on it and panned RO.
      Now, TIME isn’t a bastion of MJ reform but High Times is, and they too panned RO not once, but TWICE! High Times is THE most liberal organization for MJ reform and they to are HIGHLY criticle of RO and recommend NO ONE VOTE FOR THE IT.
      http://www.hightimes.com/read/responsibleohio-responds-criticism-high-times-follows-rebuttal

      So, now we have TWO very reputable, national publications, both at farily opposite ends of the spectrum and BOTH recommned that everyone in Ohio VOTE NO.

      • jontomas

        Time has been a long-time supporter of marijuana prohibition. Naturally, prohibitionists are against RO. You’re known by the company you keep.

        High Times is a major disappointment, but not really surprising. With the success of marijuana reform, they have become a really BIG business. They are no longer neutral observers. Their web of “cannabis cups” all over the country has put all the wrong kinds of emphasis on celebrating our new freedom.

        Again, marijuana reform was never about the growers and sellers.

    • Kyle

      My point is that TIME is a highly respected, moderate publication with no agenda either way. RO’s initiative is so preposterous , and so crooked that even a national publication such as TIME has picked up on it and panned RO.
      Now, TIME isn’t a bastion of MJ reform but High Times is, and they too panned RO not once, but TWICE! High Times is THE most liberal organization for MJ reform and they to are HIGHLY criticle of RO and recommend NO ONE VOTE FOR THE IT.
      http://www.hightimes.com/read/responsibleohio-responds-criticism-high-times-follows-rebuttal

      So, now we have TWO very reputable, national publications, both at farily opposite ends of the spectrum and BOTH recommned that everyone in Ohio VOTE NO.

  • jontomas

    Wow! – Time magazine? – That bastion of marijuana reform?

    LOL!!!!!

  • jontomas

    We need to find a bookie.

  • jontomas

    What nonsense. RO will end all the damage caused by having a marijuana citation on your record. It is mammoth destruction.

    • Kyle

      RO’s tighter rules and regulations are going to ruin a lot more lives than you’re seeing affected now, you’re trying to hide facts and throw Ohio MJ consumers under the bus just to push your agenda.

  • jontomas

    I feel like an intelligent consumer, instead of a greedy, self-centered grower, willing to throw consumers under the bus.

    • Kyle

      Again, the only “greedy growers” are the 10 multimillionaires that own responsible Ohio and don’t want anyone to compete with their monopoly. you can keep trying to paint everyone against RO as drug dealers but I don’t think it’s going to work.

      • jontomas

        They may be greedy, but you’re greedier. They’re willing to pay $50 million for their brief head start. You want to ride the gravy train for free, and are so vicious, you will sacrifice Ohio marijuana consumers’ freedom until you get it.

        • Kyle

          Jeez, same argument everywhere, I just pissed all over these same arguments in the blade, better run over there and try to defend your position some more. Brief head start, you think people are so stupid, absolutely amazing.

  • jontomas

    No. If that were true, all the greedy, black-market dealers here wouldn’t be crying so much. – RO will set up a solid, reasonable market that will dry up the black-market gouging.

    • Kyle

      The only gouging going on will be from ResponsibleOhio’s greedy growers only allowing 10 growers in the the entire state.Then using the state constitution to protect their monopoly from anyone else growing and bringing in real competition to lower prices. ResponsibleOhio IS the “GREEDY GROWERS”, you can accuse me of whatever you want but facts are facts.

  • jontomas

    No. You’re just trying to throw consumers under the bus to protect your river of blood money.

    Sorry, that will be over soon. Time to get an honest job.

    • Kyle

      “River of blood money” you’re such a drama queen. YOU sir are the one trying to throw consumers under the bus by trying to convince them a Monopoly is the way to go. RO will use their constatiuional amendment to keep competioin out and prices high, with just 10 growers they will be able to maintain prices wherever they want them. Also, do you really think drug dealers are going to be getting online and making informed arguments like most of us do?? I think not,

  • jontomas

    >>>”why the hell would anyone travel here to buy weed when you only have 10 growers?”

    That’s got to be the stupidest question I’ve seen yet.

    Of course tourists won’t care how the legal weed gets to the stores they purchase from.
    You guy get more pathetic all the time.

    • Kyle

      Like people are going to come to Ohio specifically because we passed this shit legislation that allows only 10 growers. Only allowing 10 people in the market place IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE TOURISM!!! That’s like saying if Maine built 10 new golf courses tourism would explode. Sorry, if someone was going to go on a weed vacation it wouldn’t be Ohio, it would be to Colorado or another state that has an OPEN MARKET with 1000+ growers where they have some variety, NOT here where there’s only 10.

      • JohnB

        Kyle, you missed – or ignored – the point entirely; most people deciding whether to get LEGAL cannabis in Ohio, will only have one question in mind; how do I get back across the border without getting caught?
        Who grew the cannabis, or whether the seller made large or small, exclusive or open, profits from it won’t even be a consideration for the vast majority of consumers.

        The demand is there, and as long as people can buy cannabis legally at a price that is lower than black market prices (RO’s target is $281/ounce, retail, after a 198% markup from wholesale), then they won’t care if it came from one of ten growers or one of ten thousand growers.

        Sure, there will be some hyper-sensitive idealists like you who might boycott, but the fact is that most folks only care about two things: can I afford it, and can I get it?

        • Kyle

          It’s not like 281.00 is a bargain, I know you want your own business but have you even bought weed before??? You remind me a lot of first time business owners whose eyes get big, and start throwing around 200% mark ups, and they picture a whole new lifestye, etc.

          Then reality sets in, and if you open a pot business with these oligarchs in charge of your supply and your costs, you’re in for a ruder than normal awakening.

          • JohnB

            Kyle, you may be foolish enough to think that others would try to open a retail business without first establishing guaranteed supply chains, wholesale costs, and thus margins, but that doesn’t make me foolish enough to do so.
            Get back to me after you gross your first million in whatever business you allegedly own; I imagine that will take a while since you probably paint houses or install replacement windows…
            Conversely, the company I have owned for that past 16 years is providing me with the necessary resources to open a retail cannabis store, if the numbers look right.

          • Kyle

            I grossed my first million a long time ago….sorry. Even a mildly successful business can gross a million. NOW, that’s GROSS, when you own a business that requires a large building, equipment, vehicles etc a million isn’t much. My shipping costs are typically over 100K a year, and that’s just container shipping.

            Everything else aside I think the MJ business would be an awesome opportunity for entrepreneurs like yourself. However, there is NO historical data to look at, all of your costs are estimates, you’re under the thumb of 10 people with no way out, and you just have very little freedom to do what you want to do.

            This dog has fleas but you know PT Barnum said…..

  • jontomas

    >>>”why the hell would anyone travel here to buy weed when you only have 10 growers?
    LOL!!! – You should listen to yourself sometime. How on earth do you imagine they would care?

  • JohnB

    Actually, the only thing DeWine certified is that OTEP’s summary accurately reflects the actual language of the proposal.
    Now the proposal is on Jon Husted’s desk, and he must determine if the proposal constitutes a single ballot issue or multiple issues.
    By my count, the current language presented by OTEP includes at least three distinct legal issues: legalization of cannabis, legalization of hemp (made a distinct issue by passage of the 2014 Federal Farm Bill), and change to employment law by limiting employers’ ability to test and act on tests.

    Thus, Husted will reject the proposal, probably this week, and it will start over, after revision by OTEP’s lawyers.
    The conclusion is, then, that no other proposal is even on the horizon for the next two years.

    OTEP has a very utopian proposal, but it’s still a LONG way from even being cleared to begin gathering petition signatures.

  • JohnB

    This amendment makes the limit for possession EXACTLY the same as Colorado’s, one ounce.
    Are you saying that Ohio currently has better cannabis laws than Colorado?

    • Kyle

      Apparently Ohio’s current laws on possession ARE better than Colorado’s since right now you can have 3.5oz and get in ZERO trouble. Why reduced it from 3.5oz to 1oz??

  • JohnB

    I would call you simply an overly idealistic opponent of ResponsibleOhio, not necessarily a dealer or grower, but that doesn’t change the simple, irrefutable, fact that your opposition to this amendment is a de facto approbation of prohibition.

  • JohnB

    The target final retail price is pegged at $281, after taxes. At least in SW Ohio, that’s a far better price than the black market offers for sensimilla.

    • Dan Frybarger

      That is to be determined. I’m guessing it’ll be higher to start. But you never know.

  • JohnB

    ” “Ohioans to End Prohibition” passed the “Cannabis Control Amendment” with the Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine on Wednesday June 17 to collect sigs for the November 2016 ballot three days ago”

    No, that’s simply WRONG.

    DeWine certified that the summary is an accurate reflection of the amendment language.

    Husted is currently determining whether the amendment language is one single issue, as it must be, or more than one.

    He almost certainly will reject OTEP’s proposal as containing more than one legal issue, at which time OTEP’s lawyers get the thing back and get to try again.

    IT’S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING APPROVED TO GATHER SIGNATURES.

  • JohnB

    WRONG: see above.

  • Kyle

    My point being, 1oz is so little why reduce it from the current 3.5oz? Many people would prefer to make their own, it’s just a prerogative and with 1oz you can’t do anything

  • Kyle

    blah blah blah blah, you didn’t say anything

  • Kyle

    Same thing……

  • newageblues

    Ecstatic? Not this consumer. Ecstatic about paying $300+ an ounce for something that costs less than 10% of that to produce? It’s the producers who would have reason to be ecstatic.