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 December 11, 2015

regulate marijuana like alcohol arizona 2016Arizona is on many lists as one of the states that is likely to legalize marijuana in 2016. I have personally put Arizona on all of my lists, in addition to California, Nevada, Michigan, Maine, and Massachusetts. It sounds like Vermont and Rhode Island have a good chance of legalizing between now and then via legislative action as well. However, a recent poll shows the Arizona effort losing be a very slim margin right now. Per Biz Journals:

A new Arizona State University Morrison-Cronkite Poll shows 49 percent of state voters support marijuana legalization while 51 percent oppose.

The statewide poll of more than 900 voters found younger voters and Democrats tend to support legalization while Republicans and older voters oppose it. Sixty-four percent of Democrats back cannabis legalization while only 29 percent of Republicans do, according to the poll.

“Predictably, those 30 and younger (69 percent) and those age 31 to 55 (57 percent) are more likely to favor legalization than those 56 and older (36 percent),” said David Daugherty, associate director at Morrison Institute which conducted the poll. “It is important to note, Republicans and older adults vote in larger numbers than either Democrats or young adults, which would, at least at this point in time, point toward likely defeat of the legalization of recreational marijuana.”

There is still quite a bit of time between now and Election Day, so there is still plenty of time to convince voters that marijuana legalization is a good public policy move. The Arizona initiative isn’t as good as some others out there, but it’s still much, much better than prohibition. Hopefully Arizona can join Colorado, Washington, Alaska, and Oregon (and D.C.!) in voting to legalize marijuana. I also hope that California, Nevada, Michigan, Maine, and Massachusetts can follow suit too via an initiative approval, and other states via legislative approval. Onward!

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  58 Responses to “Poll: Arizona Voters Split On Support For Marijuana Legalization Initiative”

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    So many anti-government self-proclaimed freedom loving Republicans still being world class hypocrites when it comes to weed. It discredits everything they believe in to be so totally hypocritical, shamelessly using alcohol and fucking with people for using an indisputably far safer alternative.

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      I’m not Republican or Democrat. I vote any way I please. But I favor Republican more. All of my friends are the same way. The point is, we are all for legalizing cannabis. The political group has nothing to do with it. We feel anyone should grow it and have it. It don’t think smoking weed should be a political thing. People from all sides smoke it

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        “Sixty-four percent of Democrats back cannabis legalization while only 29 percent of Republicans do” according to this AZ poll.
        Sure there are plenty of alcohol supremacist Democrats, and plenty of unbigoted Republicans. But 64% – 29% is a huge gap and that’s what my comment about “so many…self-proclaimed freedom loving Republicans” being hypocritical as hell was directed at. Not sure why you found it somewhat objectionable.

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          Funny how all my friends I smoke with are both parties. Cannabis doesn’t chose sides for any political party. Cannabis is for everyone

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            Young Republicans are much better than their elders on this. But all the polls show big gaps overall between Republicans and Democrats voters, that can’t be outweighed by anecdotal evidence.
            Cannabis doesn’t choose sides but most Republican pols sure do, against weed, many times even against medicinal cannabis. And many Republicans who support legal weed will vote for these dinosaurs against Dem candidates who are better on weed, because other issues are more important to them than weed.

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        What about social conscience? How do you and your friends justify voting in a party that continues to cause such unjustified pain and destruction for a large swath of our society. Parents incarcerated, children ripped from their homes and put into the underfunded foster care system. Screwing them up for the rest of their lives. All because a small portion of our society doesn’t agree with a persons right to choose a substance that works best for them. These same few clearly don’t believe in a citizens right to autonomy. This is what you vote for? How do you sleep at night?

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          I wasn’t aware that it has to do with a political party. I’ve always seen it as both sides passed the law it was illegal. When did it become a political issue? Who wanted it illegal, Democrats or Republicans? I’ve seen both sides smoke cannabis. I also seen people who don’t vote smoke it. Cannabis has no political side

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            Actually the political group has a lot to do with it. It is largely the Republicans who are against legalization. They have absolutely no logical reason for this, but they will still pound their fists on the table when spewing their refer madness rhetoric. It wouldn’t take much research, simply listen to what they say or just look at the polls, to validate this.

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    It’s not got anything to do with Republicans being against legalized weed. Just as in Ohio, MPP has created an Monopoly/Oligarchy in their initiative. It’s funded by dispensary owners, written BY and FOR dispensary owners. They tried to keep us from being able to GROW our own! The initiative doesn’t deal with past convictions our those presently in jail for marijuana. It ALLOWS for anyone having over 2.5 ozs on them can STILL be charged with a FELONY! The initiative itself SUCKS! I’m a supporter of legalized weed and I will NOT be voting YES for this specific initiative.

    Once we get MPP and there business interests out of here, we’ll prolly pass it. But this initiative is DOOMED to fail, because it’s so one sided!

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      We MUST have the right to grow our own! That is imperative.

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        We certainly must, but do we actually vote against a legalization initiative that doesn’t include that, or lets counties opt out?

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          Just move to Ohio after we pass the best legalization in North America in this 2016 election under the new FreeMarketOhio plan! Lets have a Exodus of Arizona! lol!
          The new FMO 2016 plan is to feature ‘Open Markets’, legalizes totally Hemp, and creates Home Grow with no license and will likely just as the ResponsibleOhio initiative of 2015 had NOT limit vegetative state plants but only flowering and will likely have a 6 flowering per person limit based on current intel. We are still awaiting the release of their new amendment text but its looking promising already in every way!

          I feel your pain deeply with being stuck between a rock and a hard place and while passions may flare I know that we who are truly Pro-Cannabis all want Weed truly legalized everywhere. I don’t blame those who would vote such a thing down for lack of Home Grow as it is an outrage among other bullshit in their lousy MPP amendment! Both AZFMR and MPP both SUCK face it! But both are better than Prohibition! technically to be PRO-Cannabis you must vote for whatever gets on the ballot since its beats Prohibition but either way we still have a long road ahead of us in Arizona ALL other places! Keep fighting! I’ll say this, I’ve felt fate in the wind here and in Ohio and I believe that we will legalize in Ohio in 2016 and it will be better than the original RO plan of 2015. But my point is that Ohios better 2016 legalization is only possible because folks turned it down and sacrificed another year and took a HUGE risk as they had no guarantee RO was coming back and other groups are broke and floundering as usual of such grassroots groups.
          Hope AZFMR makes it on the ballot but don’t hold your breath. Contemplate which rough road you prefer and be Pro-Cannabis as best you can once you’ve decided what to do.

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          Personally, I would not let the government have one penny of revenue until they declassify it and allow all adults to grow some for personal use just as we do with beer and wine.

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        You a resident of AZ Terry?

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          No, I am not an Arizonian but I am a North American. This war affects all of us and I think we are in it together. Free the weed, as they say. There is no way that anyone should have a monopoly on this plant. I am from Canada. We have just voted in a federal Prime Minister that will legalize. Our job now is to make sure that he does not attempt to monopolize or allow others to monopolize. This plant was put on this earth for all of us, not just a select few or those that can afford to pay an outrageous price for it.

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          I think our upcoming legalization (and yes, it is coming, probably in 2016/2017) will help with the legalization momentum in the USA. Also Mexico has it on their agenda in January. The legalization train is picking up speed all the time, all over the world.

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      The AZFMR has removed MPP from their effort. Johnny Green should’ve named them also and showed their logo also. They are the real other side of the coin here. While they’re the under-fund underdog, they do have some good points. We should all consider all sides of this issue.

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        I’ve signed the AZFMR signature sheets. However you hit the nail on the head that they are underfunded and underrepresented on this issue. MPP KNEW that and is exactly why the initiative was written the way it was.

        I can tell you that I had lunch with a VERY big, bigwig in the MPP proposal here in AZ, They were trying to get my PAC’s support on the issue. This was, AS the initiative was being written. I was told point blank that they’re not even a lil concerned about AZFMR. They KNEW they had NO money and they said to me… “money talks and bullshit walks”. That was when the 2nd writing came out that removed our cultivation rights. They (MPP) REALLY relented on that issue. I was told they had NO intention of allowing home cultivation, period!

        No, our PAC ISN’T giving them our support.

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          https://www.mpp.org/vip/

          One look at the MPP “advisory Board” aka “VIP” cause they are so much more important than peasants like us since they are born rich or from hollywood! Or elitist members of subversive secret society networks. I’d trust them about as far as I can toss a freight train!

          So JetDoc please honor us and also have some honor; are you willing to introduce yourself to myself and everyone? I’m curious how you were able to chat up that “big wig” from MPP? not that its a bad thing just curious. Honestly, I don’t really care for the AZFMR amendment and it is waaaay to long and over regulatory. But understand I voted Yes on 3 and No on 2 in Ohio 2015 to pass the ResponsibleOhio amendment for the sake of forward PRO-Cannabis progress and for the sake of the patients. I hoped to amend it for Open Markets and Home Grow with no license in 2016!
          No Home Cultivation is total bullshit! Odd that MPP would do that considering their past initiatives such as in Colorado. Clearly they are not to be trusted whatsoever and with a staff full of hollywood jerks and former high ranking government types you can bet they are either totally run by from inception, or totally infiltrated and controlled by, American intelligence agencies. “WHY?!?” is the real question as to why MPP is so crappy. BEWARE!
          I’ve no doubt people on here will poo poo things I say but they are ignorant or liars i assure you.

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            I’ve already told people how I came to have lunch with this person.

            You DO know that George Soros is the largest funder of MPP don’t you? The same guy who’s trying to collapse the “Free Market” system and replace it with an Oligarchy.

            I know you’re upset that Ohioans voted down medical marijuana. I’m really sorry that YOU remain in pain because of it. I know exactly how much that sucks. I’ve lived in an Opiate haze due to pain. It’s no fun! But I’ve got to be honest with you. From what I saw/read of the Ohio Initiative, I’d have voted NO on the thing as well.

            I’m sorry, but I don’t play that game of Pass it now, FIX it later! I’ve been down that road, on this EXACT issue before WITH MPP! That’s what they told AZ voters when we passed Prop 203. “Oh, there’s problems with it, but we can fix em after we pass it”.

            Well, AZ patients GOT a Medical Marijuana law. But NOT a very good one. We have NO “Home grow”, we pay astronomical fees for our Medical cards annually ($350/yr) Secondly, since the law was passed by the population of AZ, it takes 2/3rds majority in BOTH Houses of the State Legislature (which will NEVER happen) in order to amend it.

            Legalization at ANY cost is BULLSHIT! You’re telling me that you TRUST the people who WROTE the fucked up initiative in the first place. Especially an initiative that favors THEIR financial interests in the positive way it does, to AMEND the law to where it really doesn’t favor them anymore?

            Amend it to where, they’re the ones who PAID to get the initiative on the ballot as well as PASS the initiative. Yet they get NOTHING in return for those MILLIONS of $$ that THEY spent to pass it? Dude, that’s not reality!

            MPP’s not got what’s in the best interest of the people! They write initiatives that have a centralized control model. Where just like in Ohio, the initiative created a Monopoly/Oligarchy where few people are controlling the business interests. Initiatives that STIFLE competition and the Free Market. That’s why Ohioans voted legalization down. It’s got nothing to do with their attitude on legalization. They just didn’t like the way it was going to be setup.

            They write initiatives that refuse to deal with the Social problems that prohibition of marijuana has already caused. They don’t care about PAST convictions for marijuana nor the people PRESENTLY serving time for marijuana crimes. There’s NOTHING in that initiative for them.

            They write initiatives that even though we’ve passed “LEGALIZATION”, people can STILL be charged with a FELONY for having more than 2 oz of marijuana in their possession.

            They write the initiatives that way, as well as place THEIR Representatives on ALL of the relevant Boards/Panels that make the rules for the program as well. That’s what MPP does bruh! Here in AZ, the group who’s finding the initiative is… “The Arizona Dispensary Owners Association”. I’ll ask you a simple question… Who do YOU think’s gettin fucked here?

            Trust me, there’s NOBODY who supports legalization any more than I do. There’s not TOO many who have done any more than I have for legalization. I’ve been a Veterans advocate for this cause for quite a while, especially after living with PTSD myself.

            P.S. The name of my organization is irrelevant b/c these are my OWN opinions. I’m not speaking for my group. I never have on here.

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            Ahh George Soros ya scum bag for sure!

            Like I explicitly stated I’m not fan of MPP or ResponsibleOhio at all. Mpp is likely a front for American intelligence agencies and other corrupt business interests. I never said that the greedy jerks at ResponsibleOhio would help to amend anything in 2016 if we passed Issue 3 in 2015. I said that the groups who are running now to legalize should have helped RO pass in 2015 and then worked together to amend it again in 2016 for the Open Markets and Open Home Grow. I realize that it is very unlikely to be easily amended by grassroots organizations but that is the very reason why I voted yes on issue 3 since its still better than prohibition. also just as I stated and warned OTEP and their supporters that they would likely fail in 2016 to make the ballot just like all the other ones have for generations they are now in the process of failing. we had no guarantee RO was coming back and now ResponsibleOhio aka now FreeMarketOhio is the only actually viable group on the Ohio scene for 2016. Ohioans To End Prohibition has been broke and floundering since they incorporated in 2014. At least if Ohio had passed Issue 3 Weed would be legal, medical patients get what they need and the criminality ends with a decent Home Grow too. Prohibition was not preferable to Ohio 2015 Issue 3 despite it totally sucking economically. The only silver lining to it not passing is that now that it appears RO is coming back as FMO in 2016 we will likely legalize under them in 2016 unless they manage to write more outrageous crap into this one which I doubt they will since they were turned down for that greed that last time and people want a ‘free market’ as with alcohol.

            you seem upset and I’m not sure why totally since I thought you understood I’m no RO fan. I’m a patriot and a dyed in the wool Capitalist. The ‘monopoly’ of Organized crime under prohibition is far worse than a ‘oligopoly’ under ResponsibleOhio in 2015. You’re right about a “legalization at any cost” being “bullshit”; I agree. However what is even bigger bullshit is Prohibition and the current status quo in Ohio. Thankfully in Ohio we have different Constitutional amendment processes than in Arizona and it is not as difficult for us to amend it again. Ohio I think is the most openly democratic state in that regard if I’m not mistaken.
            Also, RO does have and is petitioning for now the “fresh start act” which will expunge the records of people convicted in Ohio of only Marijuana offenses.

            You speak of lousy limits on personal possession but even the new OTEP amendment in 20165 has such limits for going around in public but they have better no limit on what you keep from Home Grow which is great. In 2015 ResponsibleOhio put a limit of 8 Oz of on hand Weed at home anytime and 1 Oz in public. The RO 2015 plan had no vegetative state plant limit for Home Grow either which is awesome.
            I don’t trust ResponsibleOhio or MPP but what are our options besides prohibition since all the grassroots groups keep failing?

            Anyway, I’d appreciate you to stating your legal name and organization name for the record again since you allege you already have and it is not hurting anything to repeat such info but it is dishonorable to not identify yourself and bad for our community.

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            I’m not upset in the least. Please understand, it’s not like I’m trying to hide anything from anyone. This was the name Disqus GAVE me when I signed up years ago.

            Thank you for your comments on my military service and the work I do with veterans. I appreciate that very much.

            But I’m NOTHING but an ordinary veteran, who was diagnosed with PTSD. I went through the gambit of the R/x drugs, the depression, the Suicidal tendencies, daily. The INABILITY to deal with people or issues without breaking down.

            I’m nobody special and IF I were speaking FOR any specific organization on here, my name WOULD be on it. But there’s a shitload of wackos on the internet that not only WOULD, but HAVE stalked me, over my opinions. Some of the things that have been SAID to me would curl your toes! So please forgive me if I’m jus not too excited about putting my real name out there, where ANY whack job can get my phone number, email address etc… and threaten me and my family.

            I have your email address and you will probably hear from me. But I’m NOT really excited about putting my shit out there for just anybody to get. Especially when these opinions are my OWN!

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            Hey Jetdoc! Apparently Disqus/google have been neglecting to email me the replies you and others post to my comments at times.

            I’m nobody special either in the sense that I’m a normal person but I am an exceptional one with certain skills and special knowledge. You are special too in your way so don’t under rate youself! but see, to me being normal is being like I am and being abnormal, ie anti-social, is being like most stupid, ignornant, lazy, apathetic twits that clog our streets and vegetate in front of TV all day and thus passively make our world hell by letting the demons run amok.

            Have you ever considered using psilocybin mushrooms to help your PTSD get better? They say that shrooms can have healing effects on the mind because of there properties which are highly influential of the brains natural neuroplasticity. They say they help those with PTSD to unlearn the negative conditioning by opening up their mind to physical neural changes while also perhaps learning some positive conditioning as well. FYI NEVER cosume just dust of shrooms! make sure you get full shrooms with good blue veins in them for quality and to ensure its not poisonous and grown right. I am not telling you to break the law but this is FYI only. :D

            You can control public access information somewhat even if only indirectly. Having shell addresses helps to make public look ups useless. I have multiple places which are home to me and many good friends. You can have lookup sites take your info down too. Use PO boxes. The spooks will still know virtually everything in that regard though so it only works against criminals and lunatics. and owning guns is a great idea too.

            Understand that I’m not trying to badger anyone nor impose myself without reason. I realize we are ‘strangers’ here in a way but all the more reason to get introduced! I advocate that all activist fully identify themselves to protect themselves, the movement, and allow more transparency, accountability, and trust among everyone thereby greatly empowering us and taking the enemies power of lying away. We need our own forums where we don’t have to fear the censor. The Pro-Cannabis movement has always been and is now being controlled and infiltrated by intelligence agencies. They are trying to hinder legalization so they can keep controlling society with prohibition and making tons of money selling drugs illegally to fund black operations. Trust no one and judge them by their works to know them.

            Think about it, why would a rich organization like MPP support such clearly greedy and lousy for the average joe half-assed legalizations? because they are corrupt at best and our enemies at worst. I think AZ might be looking at MPP or nothing in 2016 sadly and that is EXACTLY what I’m talking about! Why wouldn’t MPP support AZFMR or have Home Grow?!
            Tell us JetDoc, how much publicity has you PAC gotten on The Weed Blog and other websites that are promoting MPP? I bet very little if any. I emailed Johnny Green asking him to update his list of Ohio legalization groups to include ResponsibleOhio and they STILL are not included and that was long ago back in November! Ohioans To End Prohibition is not listed either! but MPP is.

            We need to think up some kind of effective way to get signatures without having tons of cash. I’ve had good ideas but they never quite work yet. still thinking! I wonder if the signatures could be witnessed digitally and signed digitally fullying identifying all parties? sounds viable to me and highly intriguing. Sadly our problems come largely from the fact that most are too stupid and lazy to simply go to a posted signing place and go sign! Most aren’t looking for such things, understand the law, nor care to. Pathetic and exactly why THEY are enslaved and Marijuana is not legal yet everywhere. Therefore the money is king and has advantage in government. Unity, truth, and intelligence are more powerful than an infinite amount of cash though.

            YOU are a grassroots activist like me. YOU are already targeted for surveillance and persecution. WE the true activists need to unite and protect ourselves and our movement by being fully on record with everything as it is not in our favor to hide now even from the idiot public.
            I will respect your privacy if you confide in me. My honor is worth more to me than revealing such information ever could be. I do not believe you are one of ‘them’ and it doesn’t matter much if you are.

            If you are interested in using Hypnosis to relieve your PTSD then contact me and I will help for free. Do not trust shrinks or any doctors! They often are spooks or corrupt agents of big Pharma.

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            I advise against people with PTSD, or anyone else, doing psychedelics on their own, with no one else around, or without careful preparation. The recommended safest protocol for first time use is to have a trusted friend with you who has experience with psychedelics and isn’t using along with you, and to pick a peaceful setting that won’t cause any stress, and of course not to use an excessive amount.

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            I concur! thanks for the clarification for everyone SayNo! Psychedelics are quite profound and powerful and not to be treated lightly, abused, nor given to any unwilling or unknowledgeable person. Help and supervision is always a plus and any mental issues may be positively or negatively effected.

            To come off a bad LSD trip drink milk for base Calcium to counter orally eaten LSD.
            To come off a bad Psilocybin trip eat bananas for Potassium to counter the effects.
            Both LSD and shrooms can be toxic or deadly if misused or not manufactured correctly so beware!
            Marijuana may also provide a good test for how one may react to psychedelics as well. in other words a negative reaction to Weed is likely to show that a person may not be ready for psychedelics if they should even use them at all.

            Sadly because of prohibition there is not safe and informed access to these healing and intrigue so called ‘psychedelics’ while the lying murdering hypocritical government hoardes it all and does tons of secret testing on such things just like with MK-ULTRA and such government Mind Control programs which continue to this day in secret. They are scum.

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            “I’m sorry, but I don’t play that game of Pass it now, FIX it later!”

            I do play that game, when I think it’s the only game in town. But I respect reformers who don’t, and hope the respect can be mutual. We can’t afford to let disagreements harden into enmity, we’ve got enough powerful, unprincipled enemies as it is.
            One reason I’m willing to take half a loaf is because public opinion seems to be changing quite quickly in our favor, and the breakdown of opinion by age makes it extremely likely, as a pollster recently said, that this will continue, which means remaining restrictions won’t last that long. I realize it can be argued the other way, that we shouldn’t settle for half a loaf when we’ll be able to get more soon. I’m influenced by the needs of MMJ patients, who just can’t wait, it’s a matter of life and death or unbearable pain to some of them, and the needs of people like myself who’ve been third class citizens for close to 50 years, and are dying off before we reach the promised land.

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            I gotcha bruh! I don’t denigrate you for your sentiments. I guess the reason I’m saying what I am, is that I’ve already been down this road of “Pass it now, Fix it later” crap with MPP just 5 short years ago, during passage of Prop 203 (The AZMMA).

            I fully understand those who would take “half a loaf” because you NEED the medicine now! As you said, the attitudes across the country regarding this issue are fast changing. TWB just ran an article pertaining to the opinion that… “Marijuana will prolly be legal across the country in 5 years”.

            I just don’t think it’s worth taking, half a loaf, when your half is made up of nothing but the heel! When the law is written to where it actually STIFLES competition, and only a handful of individuals are able to make ALL the money. Yet these same individuals are able to block anyone else from doing the same.

            Especially when people are still going to jail charged with Felonies, as PATIENTS, while those same people who told us… “TRUST US! Let’s pass this and we can fix it later” sit in their mansions counting their money. Then these people change their minds and form a special “Dispensary Owners Association”, that accepts only the wealthiest Dispensary Owners as members. (The FUNDERS of the Legalization initiative)

            This Association now actually uses their money, lobbying to keep the law FROM being fixed, b/c it’s in THEIR favor!

            Then just 5 short yrs after telling us of this Medical Marijuana Utopia, we would have, they come to us AGAIN with a FULL legalization initiative! THIS initiative has much of the same type of language in it when they wrote it. They excluded Home Cultivation, expunging past or present convictions for marijuana, and it allows the “AZ Dispensary Owners Association” to once again get NO competition for 2 years by ANY outside interests.

            You see where I’m going? WHY take half a loaf when your half is filled with HEELS? You don’t HAVE to give just a select few, ALL of the opportunities. People sometimes think… “even a bad law is better than no law”. But NOT in this case, imho.

            If I hadn’t been down this road with MPP before? I may feel different. Well, I KNOW I would. I voted FOR Prop 203. But going that route once before with that’s people has spoiled me from wanting to deal with then again.

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          read my reply to SayNoToHypocirsy i just posted in this thread replying to him defending the anonymity of Johnny Green!

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          Ok, so I should have double checked this sooner but had alot on my mind.
          https://www.regulatemarijuanainarizona.org/initiative-summary/
          The MPP supported Arizona initiative show in the link gives the petition summary as including Home Grow? I thought you said there was no home grow? confused.

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            They removed it from their second writing. That’s when the PEOPLE went nuts and SUPPORTERS of the initiative said they’d NEVER support an initiative that doesn’t have Home Grow in it. The President of the MPP proposal in AZ, actually resigned her position and threw her support behind AZMFR.

            Over the next month, MPP saw that it wouldn’t pass without SUPPORTERS of the initiative, who WEREN’T gonna support it. They finally relented and added in Home Cultivation, but there’s all kinds of stipulations on that STILL!

            Although they relented on Home Cultivation, the rest of the initiative itself STILL sucks!

            That’s why I said “… I’ve been down this road with MPP before on no home cultivation. They were successful in getting it removed from our Medical Marijuana program and thought they’d just shove THAT issue down our throats again! Well, they LOST this time, sorta, anyway!

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          I’m being censored on TheWeedBlog again. everyone concerned should go to my Disqus profile page to read what I’ve posted and go to my Youtube page where I speak directly.

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            You are not being “censored.” I was on the road so I couldn’t approve your comment. Another reader flagged it. Please be try to be patient. I don’t censor anyone.
            Thanks!

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            Glad you finally decided to show your face mr anonymous! too bad you still won’t join the living and be know yet by your legal name and political and business affiliations!
            Understand that it is my sincerest wish that your really are a truthful person and pro-Cannabis but I do not currently believe that though you have the outward appearance of such a person. Disqus does not censor buy myself and others have had problems posting on this site. Something is wrong regardless of what it is and it relates to you and how you run this site.

            I really wish you would identify yourself fully since there is obviously no justifiable reason for you to be anonymous in administering this website and you cannot be a successful leader that way. It only discredits you and makes you shady automatically. We can’t even be sure WHO the hell is really behind that fake name you use! How do we know its not multiple persons or group or who knows what acting as ‘johnny green’? we can’t know and have security because YOU force us all to be in the dark as if we should trust you automatically. You have highly suspicious things about you sir in my book and being anonymous is never a good trait when not required. You are either a liar or full of fear and letting it run your life. Look at everyone else who is on record including me! We are fine and you are already fully exposed to the government! I hope you decide to reveal yourself and don’t force me to do so. tick tock….. … .. .

            You also have still not fixed the Ohio Activist groups list to include ResponsibleOhio or Ohioans To End Prohibition! WHY NOT!? clearly you have the time and it is a simple fix! yet you seem to favor MPP initiatives and ignore ResponsibleOhio just like all the hollywood whores eho condemned Ohio 2015 Issue 3! MPP is full of hollywood whores and government federalis who are people connected to American intelligence agencies headquartered in Washington DC! IT STINKS! High Times is a mouth piece of the illuminati and American Intelligence agencies! Why do you think they support skunkman sam aka david watson the DEA snitch and many others just like him! Your buddy Steve DeAngelo has a past as a Yippie and International Youth Party affiliate therefore likely is a leftist red star sort of politcal activist! “international”=Communist lingo! Steve DeAngelo the hypocrite opposed Marijuana legalization in Ohio TOO in 2015!! He claims people shouldn’t use Marijuana recreationally! What bullshit! and you expect me to listen to that lying commie when he cries about how ResposibleOhio is “unAmerican”! Bullshit! What the hell is that!? NOT being PRO-Cannabis that’s what! Screwing over ALL of Ohio thats what! why wasn’t he supporting issue 3 in 2015 and pushing for further reform in 2016 like me and other PRO-Cannabis folk!? that is shady as hell!! Yippies represent utopian communist bullshit and that is why there movement is dead and never amounted to jack. Communism is the anti-thesis of Liberty and constitutional Americas republican government regardless of the evil war in Vietnam! Hollywood is packed full of Socialists,Communists, secret societies, and the illuminati!

            Oh, no sir, I AM being censored as you clearly have admitted yourself though not in the form you mean. I apologize for assuming you censored me if you didn’t but I don’t know that and neither does anyone else right now with certainty. I was unaware of flagging causing comment removal. Disqus said is was “pending”.
            I was censored by some cowardly jerk who thinks they can silence me with flagging me. Thank you for correcting things ‘johnny’. The fact that I or anyone can merely be ‘flagged’ by any moron stumbling through the internet in a forum subject to so much controversy is ludicrous. This is yet another reason you need to ditch Disqus totally like I’ve suggested before and you feign being concerned about while seeming to do nothing at all to fix.

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        EXACTLY! What does that tell you about ol’ mr. anonymous Johnny Green! He supports MPP over AZFMR clearly. Does anyone know who Johnny Green really is?

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          I know everything I need to know about Johnny Green. He’s a tireless worker for legalization of cannabis. Like most reformers, he’s willing to accept half a loaf and consider it progress towards our eventual goals.

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            HA! I bet you do KNOW EVERYTHING about mr Anonymous “johnny Green”! In fact, I bet you are a personal associate of his and know him personally!

            I think it is interesting that you have been here posting seemingly pro-cannabis stuff for the most part but have never replied to anything I’ve said, Up voted any of it, nor replied to posts where I replied to you. You seem disinterested in what I have to say and I think you don’t like what I’ve had to say and that is why you are defending Johnny Green for no good reason.

            I do not doubt that much of what ‘johnny’ does is pro-cannabis. Your logic doesn’t follow. so what!? Perhaps you should explain to everyone who is not a total FOOL why they should trust anonymous strangers with odd connections who refuses to identify himself for no real reason. I’m fully on record and laying into all kinds of folk directly and you don’t see me getting sued or acting like a coward about it! Sue ME! I will laugh! It’s called freedom of speech and information losers!

            Telling much truth that is already widely publicized info is how good disinformation agents and liars operate to gain trust of those they wish to control and deceive. I believe johnny’s anonymity is highly hypocritical and clearly serves no purpose except to conceal his identity from the general public since the spooks and police surely know just who he is for running this site. I’ve discussed this anonymity issue with him personally and he basically dodges the entire issue and claims he is too afraid of being sued which is total nonsense not to mention quite cowardly.

            How can a website and therefore Johnny Green and Jay Smoker be trusted whatsoever when they refuse to be honest about something as simple as who they are. Reporters virtually always identify themselves and Johnny Green has no legitimate reason to be concealing his identity. I know a thing or three about mr anonymous johnny green and I will release such information to the public at my discretion if I am censored here! I would prefer Johnny green to simply identify himself in order to promote accountability, transparency, security, and trust within the Pro-Cannabis community. Anonymity is divisive and not something a leader should be doing in this case.

            You speak of his support of MPP and virtual ignoring of AZFMR and other groups like ResponsibleOhio as if it is a sacrifice but that is not so. He should be PRO-Cannabis and objectively support them all if they make forward progress as you say but he is being selective but not explaining himself! I too believe in making all progress we can and I voted for Issue 3 in Ohio 2015 unlike High Times and the droves of illuminati member celebrities advocated against! I told johnny green to add ResponsibleOhio to the Ohio list of groups on TWB and he still has not since early November 2015 nor added Ohioans To End Prohibition! Johnny Green tried to tell me Disqus was deleting my comments when they do not do that! Johnny Green i believe was censoring me and I’ve caught them doing it again recently. Johnny Green told me he wants another system other than Disqus to avoid censorship issues but is doing nothing to switch comment programs for his site which he easily could nor has posted his intention to do so and his alleged concerns over Disqus censorship publicly as I asked him to do as a token of good faith.

            I’ve no doubt that High Times is in the hands of American intelligence agencies and that would explain why High Times was opposed to Issue 3 in Ohio 2015 to legalize marijuana! So much for “making progress”! LIARS! CIA= INTERNATIONAL DRUG SMUGGLERS AND DEALERS
            Google: “operation mockingbird” and read up on High Times history!

            It is also possible that ‘johnny green’ is concealing far more than his identity! The roster of MPP and its supporters reads like a list of illuminati members, hollywood ilk, and American intelligence agents! They run most so called “media” outlets and have totally infiltrated and run from inception much of the Pro-Cannabis movement, culture, and ‘media’. Case in point by example: Mr “Skunkman” Sam Selezny aka David Watson who was a DEA snitch and has STILL been involved with High Times despite this behavior! In other words High Times is cooperating with the DEA snitch programs in essence by supporting that vile snitch vermin skunkman Watson. Clearly they are not to be trusted.

            I think Mr anonymous Johnny green is concealing his identity because he doesn’t want everyone to realize all of his connections, background with the government, the truth about MPP and their members, and therefore reasons to be running The Weed Blog anonymously! I think Johnny green is a liar! Somehow I doubt he or Jay smoker will have the honor to identify themselves or clear any of this up with facts.

            So tell us SayNo, who are YOU??? I bet you prefer anonymity too no doubt just like your close pal johnny green! You act like you are pro-Cannabis but I think there could be more to you than meets the eye. You constantly compare cannabis to alcohol to argue for cannabis and its taxation and regulation. Tell us what your long term ‘goals’ are? I noticed when you spoke of such goals you called them “OUR goals” right after you were defending mr Johnny Green! Do you want Marijuana as legal as Tomatoes are as I do!? I doubt it.

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            How much would you like to bet? I could use the money!
            Hopefully I’ll get to meet him someday.

            The good folks at stopthedrugwar.org don’t have any problems working closely with TWB, that says a lot to me right there.

            If cannabis were as legal as tomatoes that means young children could buy it on their own, even in highly concentrated forms which have caused a few tragedies in Colorado. You’re perfectly ok with young children being able to buy cannabis?

            I have some reluctance to give my name, for obvious reasons, but my name is Mike Goldberg. What’s yours?

            You want cannabis to be as legal as tomatoes, but you attack High Times for opposing the Ohio 2015 legalization initiative? I would expect people who want what you want to also oppose Issue 3.

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            I love how you just ignored virtually everything I said and have addressed virtually nothing. Your silence speaks volumes about either your ignorance or deception! I cannot confirm you are “mike goldberg” without more info. Try providing a city,state and occupation as well and then we will see if you REALLY will Identify yourself as I have and will when asked.

            My name is Terry Free of Dayton, Ohio as I’ve repeatedly stated. I’m an interpreter by trade and a political activist all my life. I run the YouTube channel ProLegalTreesGuy where you may see my face and hear my voice.

            To answer you red herring bullshit, NO I don’t believe there should be any laws whatsoever regulating Marijuana! Are you gonna cry like baby? because you act like one since apparently you need big brother to manage you and you family like stupid children who know nothing. It is the responsibility of PARENTS to control their children and teach them good values. You cannot legislate or enforce into people morality nor intelligence. NO regulation whatsoever never has and never will prevent children from getting such things even with good parents if the children wish to lie and act poorly. That is why its important to indoctrinate them at home and teach them not to abuse Marijuana and to expose them to it. I expose my family to guns for example and the children NEVER so much as touch one if not explicitly to to! Same thing goes for legal Weed and all things in life! I don’t need a drivers license either to keep me safe but the bullshit laws force me to under the guise of public safety and amid worthless State driver ‘training’.
            Children cannot be out sneaking around abusing any drug without their lousy parents silent consent. Such things will sadly always occur and you are actually advocating for a small degree of Marijuana prohibition and apparently don’t even realize it. You are prohibiting such a thing! ya it seeeeems justified on the surface but truly such things have no value and only instill mindless subservient slave idiot mentalities into people. I don’t need the government protecting my family or myself nor trust such murdering lying monsters to do any such thing nor even come near me. Government is an illusion and only the deLUSional and stupid require it to act morally and intelligently. We The People ARE the government! I myself may arrest ANYONE for a Felony crime under citizens arrest including criminals in government! That is why we have our rights, gun rights, private property, direct democracy constitutional amendments, and jury trials to let us off for bogus oppressive charges and unjust laws; because WE are the government and the ‘government’ are supposed to be our servants keeping order not micromanaging our personal lives!

            The fact that the allegedly ‘good folks’ at stopthedrugwarDOTorg are “working closely” with TWB does not in itself reveal the legitimacy of either group but does reveal that they are “working closely” together. You are assumptious! TWB and STDW being close only makes me more suspicious. It is typical of such intelligence agency run groups to network and support each other. That is why it is no surprise that the founder of STDW David Borden is connected to Students for Sensible Drug Policy, HIgh Times, various ‘alternative’ and other media sources. Borden has also traveled heavily the world like a spook and has a BA degree in Political Science like a spook and Associate Editor at the magazine COVERT ACTION Quarterly from 1993-1996 like a spook would. STDW itself has a mailing address in Washington DC just like MPP does! Funny that they all go back to the heart of the Federal seat of government and therefore the heart of Prohibition in North America! Maybe they should have just merged their mailing address to that of a famous Company in Virginia! or maybe the DEA’s address! lol!

            Soooo, lookin pretty spooky to me! That Borden guy reads like a
            intelligence agent! you trust this man? Ha! no wonder you trust TWB
            naively too!

            SO many of you people are such naive, ignorant, brainwashed suckers that it is truly pathetic. Most adults are just a bunch of kiddies grown older and know virtually nothing of importance. They mindlessly parrot TV and ‘alternative’ media like TWB because they are fools who don’t know how to think nor care to! THAT is the real reason for Marijuana prohibition and virtually every other problem ailing our society; willful stupidity and apathetic indifference! You don’t need to be super smart or even very knowledgeable to discern truth; simply prove things and don’t just believe stuff like a moron would. Most of you fools just cant handle a little homework or real reading an so you prefer to snuggle up to the teet of big brother for information like a stupid baby. Therefore, you automatically know nothing since knowing is communion with the known thing and not mindlessly believing what others say as you seem to be suggesting we do by mindlessly trusting mr anonymous johnny green! bullshit!

            And of course I’ve exposed High Times just like they deserve to be! They are clearly not to be trusted and also seem to be infiltrated and run by intelligence agents.
            High Times opposed Ohio issue 3 in 2015 crying about the economic bullshit just like all the other prohibitionist were propagandizing! just like all the lying profiteering illuminati hollywood whores were screaming in unison!
            I’ve read comments from you SayNo where you were supportive of Issue 3 passing for forward progress and praised its liberal Home Grow for having no vegetative state plant limit. Why do you support High Times and others now in condemning Issue 3 when it was the only real chance we in Ohio ever had and NOW ResponsibleOhio/FreeMarketOhio is coming back in 2016 while the idiots at OTEP flounder and fail like we warned them they would! RO is our only hope right now.

            High Times and others condemnation of Issue 3 in Ohio 2015 was hypocritical and treacherous! THAT is not PRO-Cannabis! you yourself speak of johnny green in his defense saying “Like most reformers, he’s willing to accept half a loaf and consider it progress towards our eventual goals.”! What crap! Johnny Green isn’t supporting or giving publicity to ResponsibleOhio and barely did at all nor has updated his Ohio activist group list to include RO or OTEP since November 2015 when I told him to! Johnny is passively working against ResponsibleOhio just like High Times is actively attacking RO and therefore Marijuana legalization! both Johnny and High Times seem to favor MPP and other very establishment type groups run by highly suspicious persons and on record guilty traitors like High Times!

            I’m still not convinced you don’t know Johnny Green personally and aren’t lying! Perhaps you will fully identify yourself like I said and we can KNOW for sure instead of having to mindlessly believe YOU or ANYONE! THAT is exactly why johnny green is wrong for hiding in the dark like a
            cowardly cockroach refusing to identify himself lying about how he is
            too afWaid to get sued! bullshit! Johnny Green will NEVER identify himself because it will likely prove he is a liar and has shady connections to various Marijuana groups,industry persons, media outlets, the government, and who knows what else! WE certainly cant know since mr anonymous johnny green refuses to set us free by telling us the truth about who he and Jay Smoker really are! hence they are hurting our movement and network by compromising its strength, security, transparency, accountability, and easy access to confirmable facts.

            Unlike you I can be looked up easily and I don’t care what is public about me as it only protects me! I can handle myself just fine and I’m not afraid of being sued, getting stalked or attacked or anything because I’m not a pussy and I don’t live life like that! I’ve had no problems whatsoever in this regard and I’ve been politically active for many years! The day that I have a ‘problem’ like getting stalked or attacked is likely that last day that I will have that problem one way or another! Any intelligence agency, most organized crime, and the illuminati in general have the power to frame me, murder me, and many other nasty things whenever they please and also have the power to totally cover it all up or portray it in the ‘news’ however they want.
            Why should I or anyone else hold back at all? I’m not, shouldn’t, nor am I going to be dealt with so easily. One things I’ve learned in life is to always give things all you got and follow your heart!

            If ANYTHING should befall me or mine that kills, imprisons, or I find to be an attack meant to be as such then I will release everything that ‘they’ don’t want me too all at once all over the internet and elsewhere regardless of my state of being. It is already too late for them.

            Marijuana will be totally legal in North America soon I believe and they can only hinder and slow it at best just like they are now such as when High Times or TWB attack or ignore ResponsibleOhio or OTEP in 2015 as I’ve no doubt they will in 2016. By their works ye shall know them and LOOK at their works of treason and deceit most foul!

            You SayNo are either a liar or simply do not appreciate the true status quo concerning the media and American intelligence agencies! If you really could “use the money!” then too bad for you I doubt johnny green will be cutting you off a slice ever! Too bad for you someone who is shady and anonymous cannot be met in person ever by outsiders who don’t know them already!

            So, how much would I like to bet? no money. I don’t want that. See, by making the claims and stating the beliefs I have to date here I’ve with words bet that johnny green won’t call me out and will default to answer to any of this stuff let alone reveal his full identity! Therefore, if johnny does default by not identifying himself then I win and in my eyes he is revealed to be exactly what I claim he is until he cares to clarify otherwise. I do not mean to slander anyone nor am I. All mr anonymous has to do is grow a spine, scrounge up some semblance of honor and reveal who he is and this will all be settled! I will gladly admit of anything where I am proven wrong as I only want the truth.

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            – I love how you just ignored virtually everything I said and have
            addressed virtually nothing. Your silence speaks volumes about either
            your ignorance or deception! I cannot confirm you are “mike
            goldberg” without more info. Try providing a city,state and
            occupation as well and then we will see if you REALLY will Identify
            yourself as I have and will when asked..

            My name is Terry Free of Dayton, Ohio as I’ve repeatedly stated.
            I’m an interpreter by trade and a political activist all my life. I
            run the YouTube channel ProLegalTreesGuy where you may see my face
            and hear my voice..

            To answer you red herring bullshit, NO I don’t believe there
            should be any laws whatsoever regulating Marijuana! Are you gonna cry
            like baby?? because you act like one since apparently you need big
            brother to manage you and you family like stupid children who know
            nothing. It is the responsibility of PARENTS to control their
            children and teach them good values. You cannot legislate or enforce
            into people morality nor intelligence. NO regulation whatsoever never
            has and never will prevent children from getting such things even
            with good parents if the children wish to lie and act poorly. That is
            why its important to indoctrinate them at home and teach them not to
            abuse Marijuana and to expose them to it. I expose my family to guns
            for example and the children NEVER so much as touch one if not
            explicitly to to! Same thing goes for legal Weed and all things in
            life! I don’t need a drivers license either to keep me safe but the
            bullshit laws force me to under the guise of public safety and amid
            worthless State driver ‘training’..

            Children cannot be out sneaking around abusing any drug
            without their lousy parents silent consent. Such things will sadly
            always occur and you are actually advocating for a small degree of
            Marijuana prohibition and apparently don’t even realize it. You are
            prohibiting such a thing! ya it seeeeems justified on the surface but
            truly such things have no value and only instill mindless subservient
            slave idiot mentalities into people. I don’t need the government
            protecting my family or myself nor trust such murdering lying
            monsters to do any such thing nor even come near me. Government is an
            illusion and only the deLUSional and stupid require it to act morally
            and intelligently. We The People ARE the government! I myself may
            arrest ANYONE for a Felony crime under citizens arrest including
            criminals in government! That is why we have our rights, gun rights,
            private property, direct democracy constitutional amendments, and
            jury trials to let us off for bogus oppressive charges and unjust
            laws; because WE are the government and the ‘government’ are supposed
            to be our servants keeping order not micromanaging our personal
            lives!!

            – The fact that the allegedly ‘good folks’ at stopthedrugwarDOTorg
            are “working closely” with TWB does not in itself reveal
            the legitimacy of either group but does reveal that they are “working
            closely” together. You are assumptious! TWB and STDW being close
            only makes me more suspicious. It is typical of such intelligence
            agency run groups to network and support each other. That is why it
            is no surprise that the founder of STDW David Borden is connected to
            Students for Sensible Drug Policy, HIgh Times, various ‘alternative’
            and other media sources. Borden has also traveled heavily the world
            like a spook and has a BA degree in Political Science like a spook
            and Associate Editor at the magazine COVERT ACTION Quarterly from
            1993-1996 like a spook would. STDW itself has a mailing address in
            Washington DC just like MPP does! Funny that they all go back to the
            heart of the Federal seat of government and therefore the heart of
            Prohibition in North America! Maybe they should have just merged
            their mailing address to that of a famous Company in Virginia! or
            maybe the DEA’s address! Lol!

            Soooo, lookin pretty spooky to me! That Borden guy reads like a

            intelligence agent! you trust this man? Ha! no wonder you trust
            TWB
            naively too!!

            SO many of you people are such naive, ignorant, brainwashed
            suckers that it is truly pathetic. Most adults are just a bunch of
            kiddies grown older and know virtually nothing of importance. They
            mindlessly parrot TV and ‘alternative’ media like TWB because they
            are fools who don’t know how to think nor care to! THAT is the real
            reason for Marijuana prohibition and virtually every other problem
            ailing our society; willful stupidity and apathetic indifference! You
            don’t need to be super smart or even very knowledgeable to discern
            truth; simply prove things and don’t just believe stuff like a moron
            would. Most of you fools just cant handle a little homework or real
            reading an so you prefer to snuggle up to the teet of big brother for
            information like a stupid baby. Therefore, you automatically know
            nothing since knowing is communion with the known thing and not
            mindlessly believing what others say as you seem to be suggesting we
            do by mindlessly trusting mr anonymous johnny green! Bullshit!

            And of course I’ve exposed High Times just like they deserve to
            be! They are clearly not to be trusted and also seem to be
            infiltrated and run by intelligence agents.

            High Times opposed Ohio issue 3 in 2015 crying about the
            economic bullshit just like all the other prohibitionist were
            propagandizing! just like all the lying profiteering illuminati
            hollywood whores were screaming in unison!

            I’ve read comments from you SayNo where you were supportive of
            Issue 3 passing for forward progress and praised its liberal Home
            Grow for having no vegetative state plant limit. Why do you support
            High Times and others now in condemning Issue 3 when it was the only
            real chance we in Ohio ever had and NOW
            ResponsibleOhio/FreeMarketOhio is coming back in 2016 while the
            idiots at OTEP flounder and fail like we warned them they would! RO
            is our only hope right now.

            High Times and others condemnation of Issue 3 in Ohio 2015 was
            hypocritical and treacherous! THAT is not PRO-Cannabis! you yourself
            speak of johnny green in his defense saying “Like most
            reformers, he’s willing to accept half a loaf and consider it
            progress towards our eventual goals.”! What crap! Johnny Green
            isn’t supporting or giving publicity to ResponsibleOhio and barely
            did at all nor has updated his Ohio activist group list to include RO
            or OTEP since November 2015 when I told him to! Johnny is passively
            working against ResponsibleOhio just like High Times is actively
            attacking RO and therefore Marijuana legalization! both Johnny and
            High Times seem to favor MPP and other very establishment type groups
            run by highly suspicious persons and on record guilty traitors like
            High Times!

            I’m still not convinced you don’t know Johnny Green personally and
            aren’t lying! Perhaps you will fully identify yourself like I said
            and we can KNOW for sure instead of having to mindlessly believe YOU
            or ANYONE! THAT is exactly why johnny green is wrong for hiding in
            the dark like a
            cowardly cockroach refusing to identify himself
            lying about how he is too afWaid to get sued! bullshit! Johnny Green
            will NEVER identify himself because it will likely prove he is a liar
            and has shady connections to various Marijuana groups,industry
            persons, media outlets, the government, and who knows what else! WE
            certainly cant know since mr anonymous johnny green refuses to set us
            free by telling us the truth about who he and Jay Smoker really are!
            hence they are hurting our movement and network by compromising its
            strength, security, transparency, accountability, and easy access to
            confirmable facts.

            Unlike you I can be looked up easily and I don’t care what is
            public about me as it only protects me! I can handle myself just fine
            and I’m not afraid of being sued, getting stalked or attacked or
            anything because I’m not a pussy and I don’t live life like that!
            I’ve had no problems whatsoever in this regard and I’ve been
            politically active for many years! The day that I have a ‘problem’
            like getting stalked or attacked is likely that last day that I will
            have that problem one way or another! Any intelligence agency, most
            organized crime, and the illuminati in general have the power to
            frame me, murder me, and many other nasty things whenever they please
            and also have the power to totally cover it all up or portray it in
            the ‘news’ however they want.
            Why should I or anyone else hold
            back at all? I’m not, shouldn’t, nor am I going to be dealt with so
            easily. One things I’ve learned in life is to always give things all
            you got and follow your heart!

            If ANYTHING should befall me or mine that kills, imprisons, or I
            find to be an attack meant to be as such then I will release
            everything that ‘they’ don’t want me too all at once all over the
            internet and elsewhere regardless of my state of being. It is already
            too late for them.

            Marijuana will be totally legal in North America soon I believe
            and they can only hinder and slow it at best just like they are now
            such as when High Times or TWB attack or ignore ResponsibleOhio or
            OTEP in 2015 as I’ve no doubt they will in 2016. By their works ye
            shall know them and LOOK at their works of treason and deceit most
            foul!

            You SayNo are either a liar or simply do not appreciate the true
            status quo concerning the media and American intelligence agencies!
            If you really could “use the money!” then too bad for you I
            doubt johnny green will be cutting you off a slice ever! Too bad for
            you someone who is shady and anonymous cannot be met in person ever
            by outsiders who don’t know them already!

            So, how much would I like to bet? no money. I don’t want that. See,
            by making the claims and stating the beliefs I have to date here I’ve
            with words bet that johnny green won’t call me out and will default
            to answer to any of this stuff let alone reveal his full identity!
            Therefore, if johnny does default by not identifying himself then I
            win and in my eyes he is revealed to be exactly what I claim he is
            until he cares to clarify otherwise. I do not mean to slander anyone
            nor am I. All mr anonymous has to do is grow a spine, scrounge up
            some semblance of honor and reveal who he is and this will all be
            settled! I will gladly admit of anything where I am proven wrong as I
            only want the truth. ———————————wvyumlqztiwmfgazkc—————————

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            You ask for my name, I give you my name, you respond with nothing but further insults. Since you choose not to believe me, there’s no point trying to dialogue with you. Get lost punk, you don’t want the truth, you want to dominate.

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            I’ve responded with much more and said MUCH more in this thread and YOU have ignored ALL of it! “insults” pshh! please! go cry! this is about getting to the truth and you are not helping whatsoever.

            And NO, I didn’t ask merely for your name but clearly asked you to fully identify yourself just like I’ve asked Johnny Green and Jay Smoker to do and ALL three of you are totally refusing to do so. You have provided and “alleged” name and we have no way of knowing if that is your real name. You must provide, city and state of residence and occupations to be truly identified. You are full of crap and likely a LIAR just like Johnny Green is a LIAR. THAT is why you are only feigning identifying yourself when it cannot be verified whereas I have fully identified myself and can be looked up totally.

            I pursue the truth of issues with facts and informed opinions. I don’t care who it helps or hurts because the truth will lead to what is good always. That is not trying to ‘dominate’ anything except to ensure that truth is what is being told so whats wrong with that? nothing. I’m happy to be corrected. unfortunately YOU and mr anonymous johnny green have totally defaulted on this entire conversation and failed to identify yourselves whatsoever. Therefore I cannot help but ‘dominate’ a debate wherein all my opponents totally default and therefore leave me the only one left and hence there is no debate but rather a clear picture of you all dodging everything while lying by pretending to identify yourself.

            I’m no punk. unless you count punk rockers?

            I think it is funny that earlier you stated that you wish you could meet johnny green and thus implying that you haven’t. I STILL think that you already are a personal associate of his and that is why you are mounting your feeble failing attempt to defend is unjustifiable anonymity and shadyness. I think that when you stated ” I could use the money! Hopefully I’ll get to meet him someday.” that you slipped up and revealed that you already know johnny! How else would you KNOW that he has money or is likely to in the future? HA! I know johnny is connected to the Marijuana industry and has connection to media outlets and political groups but that doesn’t imply wealth and you seem to KNOW he is wealthy or will be later. I think johnnys connections are what he is hiding in order to hide his true motives for being anonymous. I wouldn’t be surprised he is a government SPOOK! At best to me he is a coward and foolish and a poor leader for being anonymous and thereby hurting our movement and network.

  3.  

    Make no mistake — this is a MORAL ISSUE.
    IT IS IMMORAL TO LEAVE MARIJUANA ILLEGAL FOR EVEN ONE SECOND LONGER.
    It is one of the most important MORAL ISSUES of our time!

  4.  

    I think you may get the votes you need by educating those who appose. There have been so many lies that those people just don’t know the truth. Also we had some presidents like G Washington who grew it and sold it. Pharmaceutical has caused a lot of those lies.

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      I really really hope they legalize it in MI in 2016. I’m voting YES and will vote unless I’m dead.

      •  

        Twelve years back I bought a couple acres in Az. Problem is the property doesn’t have an address. But I pay taxes on it. So I’m not a resident. Can’t register to vote or– Looking for another property. Passed up a bargain in New Mexico. Snooze and Lose.

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          If you LIVED on the property, this wouldn’t be an issue. It would have an address b/c it’d have an occupying structure.

          •  

            Probably. Thanks. Real Estate sites are selling plots where surveying seems to generate an address. So finding a reasonable surveyor in Sun Valley might be the answer. Site built or mobile homes allowed there. Camping with a permit while building. Any building on property more than 2 small sheds requires a 1000 gallon septic system. What do you know besides?

  5.  

    Its over for Arizona.

    •  

      No, it’s over for prohibition. No one on here listens to Kevin Sabet’s butt buddy.

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        Thanks for putting this article into perspective. I think you are right. The tide has really turned on this topic. There is still a lot of room for education though. Most people are still not aware of all of the benefits of legalization. Not only will we bring an incredibly mean spirited and unjust war against ordinary citizens to an end it will also unleash a wealth of medicinal benefits that are meant to benefit mankind. The medicinal benefits are huge, sleep disorders, everyday stress, arthritis, seizures, ms, and all the way up to cancer to name only a few. I strongly encourage all people to educate yourself about this plants medicinal benefits as they are a great alternative to pharmaceuticals. It is hugely important that we gain the right to grow our own. This is a basic human right.

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        Skoallio is a stupid shill for Kevin Sabet the lying pig!

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      The train has left the station and it is only a matter of time before the people of Arizona get educated to the point where they too realize the senselessness and folly of prohibition.

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    Preventing other Arizonans from smoking marijuana at the point of a gun is deeply immoral. Most of us are unwilling to send SWAT teams into family homes, lock humans in cages, and enrich drug cartels all in the hopes that a War on Drugs that has failed for decades will improbably turn out to be successful in the end. When the prohibition of marijuana began Harry Anslinger, our first drug czar, testified before congress that 100,000 people here had used marijuana. Recently, it was reported that 100,000,000 people in the US, including our last three presidents have used marijuana. We, as US taxpayers, paid over one and a half TRILLION dollars to have this done to us. Rather than to decrease its use, our laws to prohibit the use of marijuana have resulted in a THOUSANDFOLD increase in its use. During this time marijuana became our nation’s number one cash crop surpassing both wheat and corn combined. A lot of people who make money off of victimizing Arizonans stand to go out of business, which they well should. Someone has to ask for ID’s! Legalize and regulate like alcohol in 2016!

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      The war on drugs and prohibition on cannabis is working as well as prohibition on alcohol. It’s a waste of tax payers money, and good people go to jail and prison for no reason ever except money for someone else

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    Prohibition is not control. Prohibition is the complete lack of control. The drug cartels have killed over 100,000 people in Mexico since 2006 in the war to control the drug trade. It is incredibly naive to think that the violence magically stops at our southern border. When violence is reported north of the border it is not reported as cartel related. The ATF even armed them with over two thousand high powered weapons during the failed Fast and Furious scandal. The cartels settle their disputes with guns on our streets and in our neighborhoods every day. Additionally, they make available black tar heroin, cocaine, and meth to our kids and any seeking to purchase marijuana. We are all better off to have marijuana sold in a legal retail market that asks for ID’s, pays taxes, and settle their disputes in our courts. Legalize and regulate in Arizona in 2016!

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      And people actually believe that the United States federal government isn’t perfectly aware of all that and much more! FOOLS! The Feds are supporting the drug cartels directly and indirectly because it suites their Machiavellian political machinations. Fast And Furious is only where they got caught and I’ve no doubt it goes MUCH farther. Our intelligence agencies are likely in control of the Drug Cartels themselves. The US intelligence agencies run and sell ALL drugs into the US and World to fund Black operations outside of the scrutiny or approval of Congress or the American People.

      Seriously, think about it people! Most of you have no understanding of the power and technology they have! Don’t be naive and ignorant. The Feds have the whole US military, the National Guard, the State militias, Coast Guard, tons of Satellites that can read newspapers on the ground, tons of Air power, tons of surveillance and ways to secure ALL of our borders. If the Russians so much as fly a jet near Alaska they are all over it but you think that they cant shut borders or that NORAD truly experience total failure in response to the 9-11-2011 US terror attacks? Ya right! keep dreaming!
      The borders may as well be wide open and illegal drugs and immigrants pour over en mass constantly. Think of the logistics it takes to keep ALL of North America FLUSH with Marijuana and ALL illegal drugs! That is NOT possible merely by cartels and local ‘criminals’ to the degree it is present now without the support of the government in some way. The Feds have been busted repeatedly being involved in the international drug trade. They stuffed Vietnam vets dead bodies full of heroin and shipped it to the US to sell on US streets just like in the movie American Gangster. SCUM! These are the ruthless killers who run our government and run operations like MK-ULTRA and torture little children to death and harbor Many Nazi war criminals in exchange for their knowledge and continued service to the US government under Operation PaperClip.
      THAT is the true face of the heart and soul of Prohibition of ALL drugs in America and the World today.

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        American cops now steal more property through asset forfeiture than all the US burglars combined. This is commonly known as “policing for profit.” Arizona’s civil forfeiture laws are a substantial threat to every Arizonans’ private property rights. Under Arizona’s civil forfeiture scheme, police and prosecutors are entitled to take property without ever charging the owner, or anybody else, with a crime—and then profit from the proceeds.

        “In 2008, law enforcement took over $1.5 billion from the American public. While this number seems incredibly large, just a few years later, in 2014, that number tripled to nearly $4.5 billion.

        When we examine these numbers, and their nearly exponential growth curve, it appears that police in America are getting really good at separating the citizen from their property — not just really good, criminally good.

        To put this number into perspective, according to the FBI, victims of burglary offenses suffered an estimated $3.9 billion in property losses in 2014.”

        http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-steal-property-burglars-combined

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