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Presidential Candidate Rand Paul To Hold Reception At Marijuana Industry Event

senator rand paul marijuanaIt wasn’t that long ago that expressing support for marijuana reform was considered to be political suicide. That’s not to say that there weren’t political candidates that supported marijuana reform in the past, because there certainly were. However, those candidates were considered to be so far in the minority that they were on the fringe at best. That all changed in 2012. In 2012 two states legalized marijuana, and the game changed forever.

Zoom forward to 2015, and candidates are not only expressing support for reform, they are trying to push legislation that will help the industry too. At the beginning of this decade it seemed almost unfathomable to think that a major Presidential candidate would be holding a reception at a legal cannabis industry event. But that is exactly what’s going to happen later this month when Republican Presidential candidate Rand Paul participates in the 2015 Cannabis Business Summit and Expo, put on by the National Cannabis Industry Association. Per Yahoo:

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., the most vocal critic of the “war on drugs” in the 2016 Republican presidential field, will host a “private briefing” on June 30 for campaign donors on the sidelines of the second annual Cannabis Business Summit and Expo in Denver, according to an invitation for the event obtained by Yahoo News.

It’s not clear whether any of Paul’s rivals for the GOP nomination will associate themselves with the gathering, which is put on by the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA). Other headline events at the June 29-July 1 forum include pot-themed sessions called “Running Your Cannabusiness,” “Cultivation and Processing,” “Money Matters,” “Finance, Accounting and Insurance,” and “The Law, Policy and Reform.”

“Now, Senator Paul is making history again by hosting a VIP reception and private briefing to talk about his vision for America,” the message says. “He will take your questions and talk about his support of federal medical marijuana, his push to reform banking laws so they do not deny services to legal cannabis businesses, his work on criminal justice reform, and his support of allowing states to determine their own cannabis laws.

“Never before has a major-party presidential candidate held a reception at a cannabis industry event, and NCIA is proud to host Senator Paul,” NCIA says. The event will be co-hosted by NCIA’s political action committee.

The 2015 Cannabis Business Summit will be held in Denver from June 29-July 1st. There will be a lot of industry leaders in attendance, and considering that Rand Paul will be participating in the event, I think it’s safe to say that just about anyone could show up. If you are serious about succeeding in the cannabis industry, you should attend too. Click on the banner below to find out more:

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  • Rand Paul is currently in 5th place, with a 15% chance to win the GOP nomination at PredictIt. Anyone thinks that’s too low, go bet on it.

    https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleMarket?marketId=1233

    • I Know

      He will win the primary. He has those undercover Demo-Republican votes. He presents as the lesser of the two evils.

      • Go bet on it. He just proposed the most asinine tax scheme, designed by Moore, Laffer, and the rest of the always wrong crowd. He supports a fetal personhood amendment that would force rape victims to give birth to rape babies. Economically, he’s to the right of GW Bush. And we all know what that got us.

        And you call that less evil?

        Seriously. Go put your money where your mouth is. I’m shorting him. He will never win the GOP nomination. Too many of the primaries are closed to registered Democrats, most of whom won’t touch him with a ten foot pole.

        Go try to take my money:

        https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleMarket?marketId=1233

      • I rate him as the lesser of all the other evils R or D. There are more than a few of his positions I don’t care for. But he covers those with “the Federal Government doesn’t have that Constitutional power”. Refreshing.

        • Unless he’s forcing women to give birth, or gutting US tax revenues with a tax plan from the most wrong economists ever.

          • He has said that abortion is NOT a Federal issue. As to gutting revenues? Well – I favor smaller government. And you may not be aware of this but revenue bills originate in the House. He has to convince the Reps. and Sens. to vote for it.

          • Bullshit. He said he supports a Personhood Amendment. He wrote the fetal personhood act.

            http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/01/26/rand-paul-takes-inconsistent-stance-federal-personhood-legislation/

          • Well that is an acknowledgement that the Constitution currently doesn’t allow it.

          • FETAL PERSONHOOD ACT. PERSONHOOD AMENDMENT. People with guns making health care decisions for women.

            Liberty!

          • you’re a turd

            shut up idiot

          • Dev O

            YESSSS!!!! I agree with you. People on speed should not post… ha ha

          • Fuck you. Make me.

          • The Personhood Amendment is acknowledgement that the Federal Government currently doesn’t have the power.

            I understand you are partisan. It seems you are disingenuous as well.

          • The amendment is a bigger piece of legislation. Since amendments are so hard to pass, Paul wrote the fetal personhood act. It would give the federal government the power. That is not disingenuous.

            I understand you’re partisan. I know you’re also a bullshitter.

            Paul wants to have armed people enforce laws that take liberty away from women. It’s a very simple fact. You just can’t admit it, like you can’t admit how your Republicans run up more debt than democrats, create more wars, give welfare to more corporations, and are generally anti-liberty fascists.

          • james

            You are a complete idiot if you think a bill can surpass a supreme court decision. You have to ammend the constitution. All you are doing is spreading lies. Its almost impossible to change a supreme court case without over ruling it with another. It takes almost unanamous support of congress and the states.

          • Bullshit. A law can be written to get around rulings. That’s how we’ve gotten late term bans, and 20 week bans in many states. Those laws are being challenged in court, of course, but they are still in effect as the torture of the woman by Nebraska proves.

          • james

            Uh no. Thats not true at all. And you are just a crazy ideolgical progressive.

            The supreme court can not be over turned without a process legally. The supreme court wi listen to experts define life and will change r v wade if necesarry.

            Read this again

            OF COURSE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR MEDICAL REASONS.

            The states were in the wrong by forcing dangerous labors.

            Dude get a grip this is a simple thing to work out.

            1. Use science and medical experts to debate and educate on when the fetus is conscious.

            2. Allow Drs and patients to decide for themselves the dangers of the pregnancy and allow that exception (possibly including psychological considerations)

            3. Make it a federal law. Abortions after a certain point are murder without a valid medical reason. All other abortions legal.

          • Dude, if the court rules a certain way, on, say, health insurance subsidies, then the congress can write a law that gets around that ruling. That’s how we’ve wound up with all these draconian laws you say are wrong, like NE’s, which the GOP, INCLUDING RAND PAUL, support.

            Many rape victims, being traumatized, don’t even realize they’re pregnant until later in the term. You propose locking them up and forcing them to give birth to rape babies?

            You know, rapists have parental rights in most states?

            You’re fine with that?

          • Dude, if the court rules a certain way, on, say, health insurance subsidies, then the congress can write a law that gets around that ruling. That’s how we’ve wound up with all these draconian laws you say are wrong, like NE’s, which the GOP, INCLUDING RAND PAUL, support.

            Many rape victims, being traumatized, don’t even realize they’re pregnant until later in the term. You propose locking them up and forcing them to give birth to rape babies?

            You know, rapists have parental rights in most states?

            You’re fine with that?

          • Logical Thinker

            It is misleading to characterize abortion as liberty for women. What about a woman unborn in the uterus? Why does she not get an equal liberty?

            All individuals must have equal rights: equal opportunity to live freely.

          • “Why does she not get an equal liberty?”

            Because she’s not a woman.

            Your dilemma is that even if we agree that the fetus is a person, it is not a person in the sense that the mother is a person. When you try to equate an unborn fetus with, say, a raped woman who realized too late that she is pregnant, then you have sentenced that rape victim to give birth to the rape baby.

            I’d like to know exactly how you propose doing that.

            If the 14th applies to fetuses, then why do some get to be killed but not others? Why would you allow any exceptions that would violate the 14th for that fetus, even if it violates the 14th for the woman who’s body is working as a vessel for your precious child.

            “All individuals must have equal rights”

            Apparently, you think the unborn have MORE rights.

          • “Why does she not get an equal liberty?”

            Because she’s not a woman.

            Your dilemma is that even if we agree that the fetus is a person, it is not a person in the sense that the mother is a person. When you try to equate an unborn fetus with, say, a raped woman who realized too late that she is pregnant, then you have sentenced that rape victim to give birth to the rape baby.

            I’d like to know exactly how you propose doing that.

            If the 14th applies to fetuses, then why do some get to be killed but not others? Why would you allow any exceptions that would violate the 14th for that fetus, even if it violates the 14th for the woman who’s body is working as a vessel for your precious child.

            “All individuals must have equal rights”

            Apparently, you think the unborn have MORE rights.

          • Metis

            Abortion is such a thorny question. The further along in the womb, the more the fetus is a real human being. Late term abortion seems particularly horrible. Nevertheless, I do believe that government has no right to interfere with women’s bodies. The decision, right or wrong, must be between a woman and her doctor.

          • Logical Thinker

            But Justice would not exclude a person who cannot speak, from a decision making process that involves them.

            Senicide/gerontocide of the elderly with dementia or other disabling traits is no more evil than killing of the young, yet we nearly-universally accept that unless otherwise previously stated, our elders (even infirmed) have a right and an innate desire to live.

            We cannot hand-wave over a moral dilemma by saying “woman and doctor” when undeniably there IS a third person involved whose life is no less valid than the other two people. Society is doing itself a great intellectual disservice to allow real human death under the guise of choice.

            Whether at conception when the full attempting-to-grow individual human genetic identity is formed, or whether beyond at some point, the fact is that an unborn human has equal human rights to the mother. It is noteworthy that 1) all major organs are developing by 8 weeks; baby ‘looks’ fully human by 12 weeks. As Rand Paul points out, under the current legal system, a baby born prematurely is accepted as obviously fully human and has full legal protection of its rights, yet in the uterus the same baby can currently be killed. This is a gross inconsistency.

            http://womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/you-are-pregnant/stages-of-pregnancy.html#d
            And from medical textbooks:
            http://bit.ly/1TNoMiI

            http://bit.ly/1fCcTML

          • Logical Thinker

            It is misleading to characterize abortion as liberty for women. What about a woman unborn in the uterus? Why does she not get an equal liberty?

            All individuals must have equal rights: equal opportunity to live freely.

          • james

            Just out of curioisity at what point to do we protect the rights of the person in the womb? I am in no way religious but there is a point when it is impossible to argue the being inside the womb is not alive and conscious.you act as though this debate has no logical or philosophical basis. A lot of athiests and intellectuals also believe abortions should be done early only. We need to define when the fetus is “alive” and after that point if the mothers life is not in danger and there are no fetal complications its murder. There is no other logical conclusion. Women have the ability to have children in their bodies, that doesnt give them the right to kill their children because they were to stupid to have an abortion before the fetus was conscious.

            As far as i know thats what Rands policy has been. That late term abortions should be hard to get unless the mothers life is in danger.

            If you shoot a pregnant women you get charged for murdering two people. So how does a woman have the right to kill a person because she wasnt smart enough to know she was pregnant in the first trimester?

          • If the “person” is inside another person, then the person who is carrying the other “person” is in charge. You don’t get to take away the rights of the mother. Late term abortions are banned in the US. But some states have taken the ban down to 20 weeks, which results in horrific consequences:

            http://supak.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-state-of-nebraska-tortured-this.html

            As you can see, it’s not about whether the woman knows she’s pregnant. But lots of rape victims are in denial. Lots of other women have other health complications. Sometimes we don’t see problems with the pregnancy or fetus until late.

            What gives the state the right to force someone to give birth to a baby that will live 5 minutes in screaching agony before it dies? Why do you get to make that decision for other people?

          • james

            Because its murder. Guess you skipped out on ethics and philosophy class.

            If the person inside the mother is a conscious being she is murdering her child. Murder is illegal. Its not hard keep up. Its unfortunate people get sexually abused or raped, it doesnt give them the right to murder a human being. Its very simple you just are completely absorbed in a prescribed ideology and you have no logical argument.

            If 20 weeks is when drs and scientists agree life is conscious and present thats how it is.

            You dont get to hide behind your bigotry. If 20 weeks is not what the science community agrees with then you have a point and debate is necesary. Your ability to murder children for the sake of the mother is disgusting.

          • It’s not murder. Letting that woman go through labor for 10 fucking days is torture. To do so only to have the baby live in pain for five minutes before dying is sick.

            Read the story:

            http://supak.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-state-of-nebraska-tortured-this.html

            You support 20 week bans? You support that.

            Now, want to talk about the millions of murder committed by your GW Bush in Iraq? You know, living, breathing children burned to death by shock and awe? How about the children whose parents lost their homes and jobs in the little Bush Depression. Or do you only care about the “children” women are the vessels for?

          • james

            Ok nutty i never supported bush or the war. I voted for nader for god sakes.

            Like i said read a little bit. Of course medical reasons are a viable exception.

            Yeah bush was a monster as was bill clinton who is directly responsible for the telecom act (media consolidation) which led to citizens united.

            You dont understand law of government very well do you?

            Also i am not religous in any way. Sure i am a deist but dont believe in the abrahamic faiths.

            By the way the democrats are at least half to blame for the depression. Member when barney frank and dodd did everything they could to force banks to loan to anyone? That caused the housing bubble.

          • I read a lot. The state of Nebraska makes no exception for medical reasons or rape.

            Bill Clinton was a Republican Light on many issues. Still better than a full Republican. Clinton also repealed Glass-Steagal, which was another of his compromises with Republicans. Had GHWB been President, or Dole, they would have done the same thing, only worse.

            You don’t understand politics very well, do you? Poor people getting loans (given to them fraudulently in many cases) didn’t cause the housing bubble. Greedy fucks not being policed by the SEC did. The crap paper (stamped AAA) floating around was worth many times more than the underlying bad mortgages. Bush had Foxes guarding Hen Houses. They could have stopped it, but they were profiting like everyone else. Greenspan kept his foot on the gas the whole time, and laughed at the idea of a bubble.

            Try to keep up.

            Oh, and if you were in FL in 2000 and voted for Nader along with 50,000 other Floridians, we only needed about 1000 of you to vote for Gore and we wouldn’t have gotten Bush.

            And I didn’t say anything about your religion. I couldn’t care less.

          • james

            I would never vote for gore. He almost single handidly destroyed the enviornmental movement and the climate change debate.

            Giving poor people loans they couldnt afford was a direct result of democraric legislation at the end of clintons term. They specifically loosened the loan process.

            All a democratis today is a thief who plays on his constitutes compassion. They have done next to nothing for the poor. Pauls bills on drugs, felonies, and prison reform would directly impact the poor immediately.

            You do know the president cant over turn a supreme court case right.

            Nebraska and that law are in the wrong.

            Your profile of me is way off. This is a logic and ethics debate treat it like one. Take off your propaganda.

          • You think Bush was better than Gore? That tells me a lot about you.

            Giving poor people loans is a good idea. What happened was, the people who were supposed to be stopping fraud in the loan process didn’t do their jobs. And the default swaps and other crap paper were worth over 30 times the underlying mortgages. And plenty of Republicans were for making loans easier for poor people. Remember the “ownership” thing Bush was pushing?

            Of course you don’t. Because you don’t remember inconvenient truths.

            ‘They have done next to nothing for the poor.”

            Bullshit. WHen O took over, GDP was negative 9 and job losses were near a million a month. Now they’re not. Nothing helps the poor like jobs.

            Nebraska and that law are just fine with Rand Paul and the GOP. It’s state’s rights on abortion. Exactly what you’re defending.

            Your profile of me is way off. The logic and ethics of this are that any laws that would allow NE to do what it did to that woman isn’t just wrong, it’s immoral. And it’s supported by every GOP candidate.

          • You think Bush was better than Gore? That tells me a lot about you.

            Giving poor people loans is a good idea. What happened was, the people who were supposed to be stopping fraud in the loan process didn’t do their jobs. And the default swaps and other crap paper were worth over 30 times the underlying mortgages. And plenty of Republicans were for making loans easier for poor people. Remember the “ownership” thing Bush was pushing?

            Of course you don’t. Because you don’t remember inconvenient truths.

            ‘They have done next to nothing for the poor.”

            Bullshit. WHen O took over, GDP was negative 9 and job losses were near a million a month. Now they’re not. Nothing helps the poor like jobs.

            Nebraska and that law are just fine with Rand Paul and the GOP. It’s state’s rights on abortion. Exactly what you’re defending.

            Your profile of me is way off. The logic and ethics of this are that any laws that would allow NE to do what it did to that woman isn’t just wrong, it’s immoral. And it’s supported by every GOP candidate.

          • james

            I would never vote for gore. He almost single handidly destroyed the enviornmental movement and the climate change debate.

            Giving poor people loans they couldnt afford was a direct result of democraric legislation at the end of clintons term. They specifically loosened the loan process.

            All a democratis today is a thief who plays on his constitutes compassion. They have done next to nothing for the poor. Pauls bills on drugs, felonies, and prison reform would directly impact the poor immediately.

            You do know the president cant over turn a supreme court case right.

            Nebraska and that law are in the wrong.

            Your profile of me is way off. This is a logic and ethics debate treat it like one. Take off your propaganda.

          • Logical Thinker

            A person who is not able to speak for themselves DOES NOT lose their rights to those who care for them.

            It is well established in law as well as logic, that barring any prior statements giving up their desire to live, a person who cannot speak for themselves is assumed to be desiring the same freedoms we all desire: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Thus we care for our infirmed, our disabled, giving them the best life we can.

            The unborn humans deserve no less. No one has the right to kill them: we must accept that they have equal right to life as do we.

          • Logical Thinker

            A person who is not able to speak for themselves DOES NOT lose their rights to those who care for them.

            It is well established in law as well as logic, that barring any prior statements giving up their desire to live, a person who cannot speak for themselves is assumed to be desiring the same freedoms we all desire: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Thus we care for our infirmed, our disabled, giving them the best life we can.

            The unborn humans deserve no less. No one has the right to kill them: we must accept that they have equal right to life as do we.

          • Logical Thinker

            Liberty means each individual is given equal opportunity at life. All individuals have rights, including those who cannot speak for themselves.

            You cannot murder an inconvenient old person who has lost their voice, or even their mind. The same goes for an innocent baby.

          • Logical Thinker

            Liberty means each individual is given equal opportunity at life. All individuals have rights, including those who cannot speak for themselves.

            You cannot murder an inconvenient old person who has lost their voice, or even their mind. The same goes for an innocent baby.

          • Logical Thinker

            Individuals have rights and responsibilities. The unborn living human has the right to not be murdered.
            If a guy gets a woman pregnant, he should be held responsible at least as much if not more so for any murder of the unborn human individual.

            Guys today don’t want to be responsible. But the death penalty for guys who get women pregnant who then have abortions, would cut down dramatically on guys taking advantage of women.

          • Logical Thinker

            Individuals have rights and responsibilities. The unborn living human has the right to not be murdered.
            If a guy gets a woman pregnant, he should be held responsible at least as much if not more so for any murder of the unborn human individual.

            Guys today don’t want to be responsible. But the death penalty for guys who get women pregnant who then have abortions, would cut down dramatically on guys taking advantage of women.

          • More: Just Weeks Before Saying Abortion Should Be Left To The States, Rand Paul Wanted To ‘Bypass Roe v. Wade’ – See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/just-weeks-saying-abortion-should-be-left-states-rand-paul-wanted-bypass-roe-v-wade#sthash.lN4TYZLe.dpuf

          • james

            Guess what you cant bypass the supreme court. There are a small handful of cases, most of them about voting rights, that congress has been able to overturn.

            If we define the fetus as being “alive” at a point in pregnancy than it could be alterred but, abortion is here to stay. Dont worry, your love for aborting fetuses wont go away. You may have to deal with a morality issue though if you read some science on when the fetus is conscious and alive.

            I have no problem with morning after pills or an early abortion but come on man, you cant just go around killing people because you are to irresponsible to take care of the situation.

            Womens rights people have gone off the deep end with abortions. No we dont want to go back to coat hanger back alley abortions. But we certainly should make people aware of when the fetus starts to be conscious and have feelings.

          • james

            He cant bipass roe v wade. Get a grip.

          • james

            He cant bipass roe v wade. Get a grip.

          • james

            Pretty sure its a federal issue. Either the fetus is alive or it is not. If it an alive conscious being then its murder, if not its an abortion. You dont go state by state with murder definitions. There are different penalties but the crime is the same.
            If we went state by state with abortions it would be a mess and the poor would not be able to acess health care. It would result in the back alley illegal abortions taking their place.

            If dr’s dont want to do it they cant be forced to but its the dr and patients right to perform and have a legal abortion. Its very simple if we can define life. Wether its when a fetus can survive outside the womb or when the brain activity is showing conscious patterns its a debate that needs to happen so we stop wasting all this time on this issue. Its not that important compaired to what happens when we avoid the real issues. Its just another divide and conquer technique that if you follow logic is very easy to address.

      • Go buy those shares right now! I’m selling them.

    • I’d say 15% is not bad odds this early in the race. Remember the odds favoring Hillary back in 2007?

      • Go bet!

        • I’d rather use the money to support him.

          • If you won’t bet, you don’t think he’ll win.

          • Logical Thinker

            NO, actually some of us don’t bet, period. I don’t buy any sort of lottery tickets or anything like that.

          • Logical Thinker

            NO, actually some of us don’t bet, period. I don’t buy any sort of lottery tickets or anything like that.

    • Commonwealth10

      This is because the media hates him because he will shake the system. Fox News deliberately refuses to show him in polling numbers, because he is the leading candidate and the best against Hillary.

  • ĐΣFΣCŦΣĐ

    You have Hillary or Paul. Yeah lets pick Paul. If you want nether than go with another Bush…

    • Jordan Shorette

      hahaha id want Bernie Sanders over another bush lol not saying I support BS but another bush is like pointing a sword at your taint and sitting down, once again I will have to work on my manners so im extra polite like a Canadian to blend in when I move their to get away from the “Third Reich”

  • Steve Coombs

    Paul is for states rights…Hillary will pander to anyone or anything

    • Paul’s for state’s rights sometimes. Other times, like if you’re a pregnant woman, he’s all for men with guns forcing themselves into female health care matters.

      • Greg

        Incorrect. He’s for state rights on abortion too.

        • newageblues

          That’s still a deal-breaker for a LOT of people. Control of your own body is a very basic right, and he’s willing to put it up for majority rule. Rich women will always be able to get abortions, but many poor women won’t. under his policies.

          • james

            Its a supreme court case. He cant just write a policy about abortion. He has to have overwhelming congressional support (a pres cant overturn supreme court) and as i keep saying its only happened 5 times in 300 years overturning bigoted voting rights issues.

          • Yes, but it is an example of how NOT libertarian Paul is on many issues. And state’s rights isn’t really libertarian anyway. True libertarians, especially the left libertarians (of which I’m one), want liberty for all Americans, and don’t want states to have controls over liberty, like they did under Jim Crow.

          • james

            You sir are not a libertarian or liberal. You are a progressive. John Locke was a liberal your just a shill for the jaded womens rights issue. If you cant accept what science says is a conscious fetus your a zealot and a fraud.

            I have no problem with abortion as long as the being inside the woman is not a conscious child. Other than that it is impossible to prove with logic (this debate has been done by many famous academic philosophers using logic and reason not “feelings”) that it is not murder. You get charged double hommicide if you kill a pregnant mother and her baby right?

          • I accept what science says. That’s why I support legal and rare abortions, instead of the back alley clothes-hangar jobs you prefer. That’s why I oppose the 20 week bans like NE’s, which the GOP supports. State’s rights! Liberty for some, Jim Crow for the rest.

          • I accept what science says. That’s why I support legal and rare abortions, instead of the back alley clothes-hangar jobs you prefer. That’s why I oppose the 20 week bans like NE’s, which the GOP supports. State’s rights! Liberty for some, Jim Crow for the rest.

          • DanielTourtillott

            So what are these raging male liberals whining about right? Its like they get on here to try to keep the people divided on social issues like this.

          • Gee, if we’d all just do what you say, we wouldn’t be so divided? HUH?

            If Rand Paul got elected, he’d have some coattails, meaning, lots of Republicans in congress to pass whatever draconian, torture loving, woman hating bullshit he wants. So what are these raging male conservatives whining about? You could strap women down and force them to give birth left and right!

          • Commonwealth10

            Actually, the overwhelming majority of citizens support control on abortion.

          • Actually, the overwhelming majority of Americans support choice. The control to which you refer is about late term. Giving a freshly created glob of cells rights under the 14th would mean that you couldn’t even abort rape or incest babies.

          • james

            Your kidding right? What a fraud. Obviously the compromise is working with medical issues of the fetus and mothers in any stage. Why is this so hard to figure out for some people. Its not ok to kill people. If the fetus at 20 weeks or 22 or 25 is conscious that is the debate. Not all abortions are good womens rights blah blah blah.

            Do you know abortions originally were somwthing the progressive eugenicists (like the founder of planned parenthood) were using to stop population growth of immigrants? Maybe you should read some Rockefellor he has a lot to say about the immigrant scum and idiots should not be allowed to breed.

          • Actually, abortions were originally in the Bible, and have been around for ever. Best to have them legal, rare, and safe.

            Read the story of the woman Nebraska tortured. Defend that shit.

          • james

            Why would i defend that shit. You are crazy bro. Get a grip.

          • You claimed abortion started in the 20th century. You are wrong. You avoided that fact.

            You are the one arguing for limits on abortion. I show you what happens when you do that, and you refuse to defend it. You’re the one who needs a grip.

          • james

            No you showed me what the right wing nuts did not a sensible solution. Which is it shouls be medically necesarry for an abortion once the fetus is conscious. You are the one that thinks because you are a woman you can kill your children once they are conscious.

          • Actually, if Rand Paul is really for state’s rights on abortion, then he’s fine with killing what you call “conscious children” in some states.

            And I (and science) dispute that consciousness is a bright line that fetuses cross. That’s why women and their doctors should make the choice, not some elected assholes in state or federal government.

          • Actually, if Rand Paul is really for state’s rights on abortion, then he’s fine with killing what you call “conscious children” in some states.

            And I (and science) dispute that consciousness is a bright line that fetuses cross. That’s why women and their doctors should make the choice, not some elected assholes in state or federal government.

          • james

            No you showed me what the right wing nuts did not a sensible solution. Which is it shouls be medically necesarry for an abortion once the fetus is conscious. You are the one that thinks because you are a woman you can kill your children once they are conscious.

          • james

            Actually no if it wasnt a medical procedure in a hospital its called infanticide.

          • james

            Actually no if it wasnt a medical procedure in a hospital its called infanticide.

          • Commonwealth10

            Actually, Scott you’re wrong. Over 70% believe it should be illegal (aka no choice for your simple mind) after so many weeks.

          • Show me. What poll? When?

            Here’s something for a simple mind:

            Pro-choice outpolls pro-life for first time in 7 years

            http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/gallup-poll-pro-choice-pro-life-118406.html#ixzz3dj9V3uVm

            > According to a new Gallup poll, 50 percent of Americans now call themselves pro-choice, including 54 percent of women and 46 percent of men. Only 44 percent of respondents labeled themselves pro-life, the lowest response in more than five years.

          • Show me. What poll? When?

            Here’s something for a simple mind:

            Pro-choice outpolls pro-life for first time in 7 years

            http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/gallup-poll-pro-choice-pro-life-118406.html#ixzz3dj9V3uVm

            > According to a new Gallup poll, 50 percent of Americans now call themselves pro-choice, including 54 percent of women and 46 percent of men. Only 44 percent of respondents labeled themselves pro-life, the lowest response in more than five years.

          • Commonwealth10

            Actually, Scott you’re wrong. Over 70% believe it should be illegal (aka no choice for your simple mind) after so many weeks.

          • DanielTourtillott

            But paul said he wasn’t taking up the abortion fight though he personally opposes it.

            This was about a month ago

        • Incorrect. He wrote the fetal personhood act, and he supports a personhood amendment. Those are federal level.

          But the state’s rights argument sucks too. Why do only some American women get to live without govt’ interference in their health care? Why do some Americans get to smoke pot, but not others? Why do some people get adequate medicine and some don’t? Screw states rights. ALL Americans have the right to smoke pot. All Americans have the right to privacy.

      • Commonwealth10

        Again, posting salon will not help you make an argument against Rand Paul or anyone for that matter. Might as well post links to the communist manifesto or mein Kampf

        • james

          Marx wrote a pretty interesting manifesto if you ask me. Most people havent read it and assume it has something to do with stalin or tse tung. It doesnt. It just pretty much says that capitalism will consolodate the wealth to so few that the workers will naturally rebel. Its an interesting read with plenty of flaws but definetely not what russia or china created.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Sounds great in theory but it doesn’t take into account human behavior or pure evil and the helm..

            Power to the people not the state!

          • james

            No i completely understand. I was just saying its not thing people usually think it is.

          • And yet you’re supporting a guy who would give states the right to deny marijuana to their citizens, or to force them to give birth, or, in the case of Paul, go back to Jim Crow.

            The federal government stops the state governments from denying liberty to citizens. That’s what the civil war and the civil rights era were all about.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Again freedom isn’t for people like you.

            He would also give the states the right to legalize all those same things. So what else you got in your head chicken little?
            Do you realize your now attacking the only major presidential candidate in history to attend a MMJ rally? Thats who scares you? Not a woman that thinks video games should be illegal(Hillary)2005
            The Clintons are responsible for incarcerating millions of MMJ users.

            Paul(R)and i think Boxer(D) introduced a bill to make it illegal for the feds to bust any legal card carrying mmj patient. The exact opposite of the Clinton MO.

            Hillarys a lawyer(paid liar) she even got kicked off the Nixon prosecution for unethical actions.
            Hillary Clinton is GW bush my friend

          • And yet you’re supporting a guy who would give states the right to deny marijuana to their citizens, or to force them to give birth, or, in the case of Paul, go back to Jim Crow.

            The federal government stops the state governments from denying liberty to citizens. That’s what the civil war and the civil rights era were all about.

        • Again, genetic fallacy. You want to say he’s honest, here’s something that proves he’s not, so, since you can’t address the points, you attack the source.

          • Commonwealth10

            The only one committing a falacy here is you posting left wing radical garbage you found from salon and passing it off like its legitimate news. Get real.

          • Attacking the source is the genetic fallacy. Paul is a flip flopping, pandering, asshole. You just can’t stand that fact, so you ignore it.

          • Commonwealth10

            No one recognizes salon.com as a valid source, that’s the problem.

          • Commonwealth10

            No one recognizes salon.com as a valid source, that’s the problem.

          • Attacking the source is the genetic fallacy. Paul is a flip flopping, pandering, asshole. You just can’t stand that fact, so you ignore it.

          • Commonwealth10

            The only one committing a falacy here is you posting left wing radical garbage you found from salon and passing it off like its legitimate news. Get real.

      • DanielTourtillott

        Salon? Again? Is that all you read? Opinion pieces hahaha no wonder you sound like such a tool.

        • I don’t even read it. I found that article as one example of some of Paul’s pandering. But again, you fail to address Paul’s pandering bullshit, and instead attack me and Salon. Step up your game, wingnut.

  • Jordan Shorette

    well ive been watching rand paul for quite some time now and I keep waiting for him to lose me on certain subjects but it hasn’t happened yet, hands down the only candidate on either side that I haven’t been able to disagree with. I have never voted republican but quite honestly Rand Paul is the first REPUBLICAN ive seen in a long time and its quite refreshing. id consider moving to Canada if we were cursed with another bush and for the rest well I think they make a fool of themselves enough on their own. they are only republican when its convenient or makes them money.

      • Jordan Shorette

        very informative but he is a human and they are aloud to change opinion on certain subjects, maybe he was convinced otherwise on certain subjects by a peer or his family idk, but as long as it boils down to the peoples decision or states rights and not his personal bias Im not nitpicking just the same theories apply to his pot views, he doesn’t think it should be legal but thinks it should be a state decision which is the best we can hope for, considering no candidate has came out as legalize across the board, and even if they did its not worth a vote if their other policies are garbage. I support a lot of your views scott so your opinion doenst fall on deaf ears with me if you have support for certain candidate give me a link and ill read up im def not bias its just rand paul is a front runner for me atm.

        • This isn’t him changing his mind. It’s him bullshitting. It’s what he does.

          Hillary will be the next President, whether we like it or not. Good thing she recently said good things about mass incarceration and rescheduling.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Recently?
            Her husband started MANDATORY MINIMUM DRUG SENTENCING YOU TARD!
            Good lord your the most uniformed person I’ve come across.

            Tip of the day

            STOP READING SALON!!!

            Get your republican hate blinders off and wake up.

            Not every republican is cut from the same cloth. Remember CLINTON DIDN’T EVEN HAVE THE COURAGE TO ADMIT HE SMOKED.

            Salon hahahahaha bwahahaha

          • And he said it was a mistake, that he signed because it was something the GOP wanted as part of a deal, you fuck head.

            Try to keep up.

          • DanielTourtillott

            No need to get so nasty.
            I guess I’ll talk to you like your my little boy when he’s mad.

            “Scott, use your words”

          • “Her husband started MANDATORY MINIMUM DRUG SENTENCING YOU TARD! ”

            Those are your words. Call me a tard again, fuck head.

          • Lost comment here.

            “Her husband started MANDATORY MINIMUM DRUG SENTENCING YOU TARD!”

            Those are your words. Call me a tard again.

            Also, Hillary is NOT her husband.

          • Lost comment here.

            “Her husband started MANDATORY MINIMUM DRUG SENTENCING YOU TARD!”

            Those are your words. Call me a tard again.

            Also, Hillary is NOT her husband.

          • james

            So its ok because he was sorry for being a shill?

            This is why nothing changes.

          • james

            So its ok because he was sorry for being a shill?

            This is why nothing changes.

          • GW Bush didn’t have the courage to admit he did anything… especially all the fucking blow he sucked up while staying out of NAM.

          • james

            Two scumbags dont make it right.

          • Obama admitted to smoking weed, said it’s no worse than booze, and has hinted at rescheduling. Name a Republican President who even got close to that.

          • Obama admitted to smoking weed, said it’s no worse than booze, and has hinted at rescheduling. Name a Republican President who even got close to that.

          • james

            Two scumbags dont make it right.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Yup, GW sucked bad, you won’t find too many Rand Paul fans defend that scumbag.
            Hillary Bush Obama what difference has it made?
            Rand Paul 2016

          • When Obama took office, GDP was NEGATIVE 9%, we were in two bullshit wars, and job losses were at almost a million a month. Things are much better now. But you don’t care.

            Go bet on Rand Paul to win:

            https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleOption?contractId=440#openoffers1

            No action in that market. Guess you guys aren’t so sure.

          • DanielTourtillott

            We are still spending money on both those places almost 7 years later. Hillary voted for both those wars, wanted troops in syria and Lybia… She doesn’t mind killing us poor folks kids either(cant complain about the war when you support the people who voted for it)
            Paul’s father voted against invading IRAQ
            Hmmm

          • When Obama took office, GDP was NEGATIVE 9%, we were in two bullshit wars, and job losses were at almost a million a month. Things are much better now. But you don’t care.

            Go bet on Rand Paul to win:

            https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleOption?contractId=440#openoffers1

            No action in that market. Guess you guys aren’t so sure.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Yup, GW sucked bad, you won’t find too many Rand Paul fans defend that scumbag.
            Hillary Bush Obama what difference has it made?
            Rand Paul 2016

          • Jordan Shorette

            your prob right its not like we can vote for Bill again lol

      • Commonwealth10

        Salon? Really? They aren’t worth the advertising click. They are fringe to say the least.

        • Genetic fallacy–you’ve attacked the source instead of the facts at hand. You said he’s “honest.” That’s bullshit. He’s a pandering asshole who doesn’t have a chance of winning the GOP nom, no matter how much pandering he does.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Its a opinion piece so what facts?

            Does the article actually say that Paul has refused to make a ban on abortion an issue. He personal dislike it but doesn’t want to further divide people.

          • The article points out what a bullshitter he is. Anyone says he’s not a pandering bullshitter is lying.

          • DanielTourtillott

            No one good will ever win with nasty folks like you around will they?
            Keep dividing us and we won’t ever beat them.

          • I’m pointing out existing, important divisions, not creating them. 20 week abortion bans lead to the government torturing women.

            http://supak.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-state-of-nebraska-tortured-this.html

          • DanielTourtillott

            Huh? Are you a “war on Women believer?
            I love women, almost everything about them.

            Did you know men live shorter lives? Did you know more men are unemployed?
            Did you know that young boys are pumped full of drugs to make them not act like little boys?

            The war on women is a frace the only war on women is being waged by liberal women against women who prefer a traditional life.

          • You’re changing the subject, troll.

          • james

            Like you did?

          • I’m on the same subject. Rand Paul is a bullshitter who’s fine with states taking away liberty.

          • I’m on the same subject. Rand Paul is a bullshitter who’s fine with states taking away liberty.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Trolls don’t use their real names Scott.
            You have’t made a single statement about pauls stance on MMJ.

            Hillary opposes MMJ

          • Denny

            Congratulations, you’ve figured it out, and plan on being hammered like a nail by a handful of “don’t make me think” types on this blog site.

          • The war on women is proven by the fact that the GOP, and YOU, are fine with letting the state of Nebraska torture that woman for 10 days only to watch the child live in pain for a little while.

            You guys really love torture and pain, don’t you?

          • The war on women is proven by the fact that the GOP, and YOU, are fine with letting the state of Nebraska torture that woman for 10 days only to watch the child live in pain for a little while.

            You guys really love torture and pain, don’t you?

          • james

            Awh does this mean you are taking your ball and going home?

            I do support controlled abortions. After 5 months a person should know they are pregnant but its not about that. Its about the other person that happens to be in her womb.

            Abortion is a federal issue read again troll.

            Murder is a federal issue.

            Pregnant mom shot charges are double homicide.

            At a point there is a human being and there is only a select amount of reasons to stop the childs life.

            Do you think a woman 5 months pregnant should be able to have an abortion for any reason? What about 6 months? 7?

            Why dont you let an expert in medical science make the call.

          • james

            Awh does this mean you are taking your ball and going home?

            I do support controlled abortions. After 5 months a person should know they are pregnant but its not about that. Its about the other person that happens to be in her womb.

            Abortion is a federal issue read again troll.

            Murder is a federal issue.

            Pregnant mom shot charges are double homicide.

            At a point there is a human being and there is only a select amount of reasons to stop the childs life.

            Do you think a woman 5 months pregnant should be able to have an abortion for any reason? What about 6 months? 7?

            Why dont you let an expert in medical science make the call.

          • james

            Not if they allow cases for medical complications.

          • The NE case does not. But, hey, state’s rights, right? And, oh, force those women to have the rape babies they didn’t even know they were pregnant with. You’re fine with that.

          • james

            Nope never said i was. If you can read scroll down and see i said abortion is a federal issue.
            Also just because there is no term in the 20 week for medical conditions doesnt mean it cant be changed. I dont know that 20 weeks is the offical time but the fact is the two moronic sides of this debate dont care what science says.

            I will say it again. I support a women and her dr making the decision if there is any medical issue. But when the child is conscious that is the only reason i support. I do not support anyone killing anyone else unless by self defense. Whether war, death penalty

            And no my wife is a big shot and i am a stay at home dad at the moment.

          • ” If you can read”

            Fuck you.

            You support Paul. Paul opposes abortion, and is fine with states, like NE, making stupid laws that torture women.

            If a rape victim doesn’t find out she’s pregnant fast enough for you, you’re fine with letting states force her to give birth. How about parental rights for the rapists? Fine with states deciding that? Because I bet Rand Paul is.

          • james

            Awh are you taking your ball and going home?

            5 months is enough time to know you are pregnant. Ok so three weeks from then is agreed fetal viability correct? But, that changes with technology. What if fetal viability becomes 3 months? So i think its wise to use language and define it. Like when the baby becomes aware and has conscious behaviour. If you believe it is ok to kill a conscious being because the mom waited however long whether 5 or 5 and 3/4 weeks you have a morality issue.

            Of coarse exceptions need to be covered and well defined.

          • james

            Awh are you taking your ball and going home?

            5 months is enough time to know you are pregnant. Ok so three weeks from then is agreed fetal viability correct? But, that changes with technology. What if fetal viability becomes 3 months? So i think its wise to use language and define it. Like when the baby becomes aware and has conscious behaviour. If you believe it is ok to kill a conscious being because the mom waited however long whether 5 or 5 and 3/4 weeks you have a morality issue.

            Of coarse exceptions need to be covered and well defined.

          • ” If you can read”

            Fuck you.

            You support Paul. Paul opposes abortion, and is fine with states, like NE, making stupid laws that torture women.

            If a rape victim doesn’t find out she’s pregnant fast enough for you, you’re fine with letting states force her to give birth. How about parental rights for the rapists? Fine with states deciding that? Because I bet Rand Paul is.

          • james

            Nope never said i was. If you can read scroll down and see i said abortion is a federal issue.
            Also just because there is no term in the 20 week for medical conditions doesnt mean it cant be changed. I dont know that 20 weeks is the offical time but the fact is the two moronic sides of this debate dont care what science says.

            I will say it again. I support a women and her dr making the decision if there is any medical issue. But when the child is conscious that is the only reason i support. I do not support anyone killing anyone else unless by self defense. Whether war, death penalty

            And no my wife is a big shot and i am a stay at home dad at the moment.

          • The NE case does not. But, hey, state’s rights, right? And, oh, force those women to have the rape babies they didn’t even know they were pregnant with. You’re fine with that.

          • james

            Not if they allow cases for medical complications.

      • DanielTourtillott

        Salon? No thanks thats the worst most biased outlet I’ve ever read. Half truths nd petsonal opinion thats it.

        Almost like reading an angry teenagers break up letter.

        So how anout the Clintons MANDATORY MINIMUM DRUG SENTENCES? Thats a real issue not abortion. Who cares about abortion anymore? That fight is 50 years old

        • Genetic fallacy. Address the points, don’t attack the source. The facts of that story are sound.

          Hillary just made a big speech about ending the mass incarceration in this country. And Bill just admitted that signing the mandatory minimums (that Republicans got him to sign as part of a compromise–it was something they wanted) was a mistake.

          Abortion matters. Read this:

          http://supak.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-state-of-nebraska-tortured-this.html

          • DanielTourtillott

            Do you copy and paste all your responses?
            So Bill did what the republicans wanted? Then why would you as a demcrat support clinton?

            “My bad and sorry about putting your father in prison for your whole life, the republicans made me do it now vote for US again!”

            What about HILLARYS flip on ohh everything? Talk about pandering hahaha

          • “Then why would you as a demcrat support clinton?”

            Because he was a better choice than the Republicans running against him.

            Same will be true with Hillary.

          • Denny

            Homer Simpson would be a better choice than Hillary, at least he can tell the truth once in a while.

          • james

            Clinton passed two of the most destructive bills the us has ever seen. Telecomm turned out to be as bad as the patriot act. Clinton was also supported and funded by guess who……they are brothers and their last name is a Soda.

          • Our choice at the time was Republican light vs Republican heavy. Clinton was Republican light.

            Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

          • james

            or both parties are bad and you need to change the system. Like i said clintons telecomm led to citizens united. He made it impossible to have fair elections.

            Both parties are equally as bad. You have Sanders and Paul who are the least like the others.

            Funny a republican was the only person to vote no on the patriot act.

          • Actually, the only person who voted no in the Senate was Russ Feingold, a Democrat.

            http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

            And Hillary is for overturning Citizens United.

            http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/14/hillary_clinton_says_she_d_want_to_overturn_citizens_united_her_super_pac.html

            Seems she disagrees with her husband on quite a bit, so you need to make sure which Clinton you’re talking about.

            “Both parties are equally as bad.”

            Nope. One is way worse. One runs up deficits, lies us into wars, and crashes the economy. The other cleans up the mess and gets blamed for it.

          • james

            You are truly dense. She can not over turn roe v wade. Congress and the states can. How would she present this bill as a citizen? Does she have an office? She cant do it as president either. She is doing it because she knows it wont go anywhere seeing as the people paying for her to beat sanders wont let it happen. Besides thanks to her husband citizens united makes legal sense. I will let you figure it out.

            You are right about the senator.

            Actually the housing bubble is from frank forcing banks to loan money to unqualified people. Its at least half the problem during bushes reign of terror.

          • She supports Bernie Sanders’ amendment to overturn citizens united. She is not her husband. You seem to have trouble with women being independent beings…

            Actually, the housing bubble started during the east Asia crisis, that’s when the capital imbalance started. But the runaway fraud was the big problem, especially in the crap paper Wall Street was pushing, which was worth 30 TIMES MORE THAN THE UNDERLYING MORTGAGES.

            And Bush could have stopped it. Greenspan could have taken his foot off the gas.

            But no, you have to blame a BIPARTISAN attempt to get poor people into Bush’s “ownership society.”

          • james

            I am blaming both sides read what i have been saying. So bernie can pass this bill himself? She supports it ha. She takes plenty of hush money. It will never be overturned without public outrage and as it stands its valid because of the telecom act.

          • It’s not a bill. It’s a proposed amendment to the US constitution. And she supports it. And you say I’m dense. You do know how amendments work, right?

            She takes the big money because that’s the system we have. She would like to change the system. Show me a Republican who would.

          • james

            Yeah they need a majority vote. Not going to happen. Sanders is one of the only non crooks. Hillart knows it wont happen.

          • It might happen if Democrats get control. As long as people like you vote for Republicans, it certainly won’t.

          • It might happen if Democrats get control. As long as people like you vote for Republicans, it certainly won’t.

          • james

            No dumb ass it wont. Its not a normal vote.

            Second i have NEVER voted republican.

          • You going to vote for Paul?

            > The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

            http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/

            Think we’d even get close to passing an amendment that overturns CU with Republicans controlling congress?

          • james

            No nore do i live in a dreamworld where i think there would ever be democrats in 2/3 of the house and senate. If you continue reading its also not the only part of the process. I stopped being a democrat when i realized the were spineless idiots with no ideas.

            If its clinton paul yes i would vote paul. I think he would be less of a war hawk which to me is my central issue.

          • james

            No nore do i live in a dreamworld where i think there would ever be democrats in 2/3 of the house and senate. If you continue reading its also not the only part of the process. I stopped being a democrat when i realized the were spineless idiots with no ideas.

            If its clinton paul yes i would vote paul. I think he would be less of a war hawk which to me is my central issue.

          • You going to vote for Paul?

            > The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

            http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/

            Think we’d even get close to passing an amendment that overturns CU with Republicans controlling congress?

          • james

            No dumb ass it wont. Its not a normal vote.

            Second i have NEVER voted republican.

          • james

            Yeah they need a majority vote. Not going to happen. Sanders is one of the only non crooks. Hillart knows it wont happen.

          • It’s not a bill. It’s a proposed amendment to the US constitution. And she supports it. And you say I’m dense. You do know how amendments work, right?

            She takes the big money because that’s the system we have. She would like to change the system. Show me a Republican who would.

          • james

            I am blaming both sides read what i have been saying. So bernie can pass this bill himself? She supports it ha. She takes plenty of hush money. It will never be overturned without public outrage and as it stands its valid because of the telecom act.

          • She supports Bernie Sanders’ amendment to overturn citizens united. She is not her husband. You seem to have trouble with women being independent beings…

            Actually, the housing bubble started during the east Asia crisis, that’s when the capital imbalance started. But the runaway fraud was the big problem, especially in the crap paper Wall Street was pushing, which was worth 30 TIMES MORE THAN THE UNDERLYING MORTGAGES.

            And Bush could have stopped it. Greenspan could have taken his foot off the gas.

            But no, you have to blame a BIPARTISAN attempt to get poor people into Bush’s “ownership society.”

          • james

            You are truly dense. She can not over turn roe v wade. Congress and the states can. How would she present this bill as a citizen? Does she have an office? She cant do it as president either. She is doing it because she knows it wont go anywhere seeing as the people paying for her to beat sanders wont let it happen. Besides thanks to her husband citizens united makes legal sense. I will let you figure it out.

            You are right about the senator.

            Actually the housing bubble is from frank forcing banks to loan money to unqualified people. Its at least half the problem during bushes reign of terror.

          • Actually, the only person who voted no in the Senate was Russ Feingold, a Democrat.

            http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

            And Hillary is for overturning Citizens United.

            http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/14/hillary_clinton_says_she_d_want_to_overturn_citizens_united_her_super_pac.html

            Seems she disagrees with her husband on quite a bit, so you need to make sure which Clinton you’re talking about.

            “Both parties are equally as bad.”

            Nope. One is way worse. One runs up deficits, lies us into wars, and crashes the economy. The other cleans up the mess and gets blamed for it.

          • james

            or both parties are bad and you need to change the system. Like i said clintons telecomm led to citizens united. He made it impossible to have fair elections.

            Both parties are equally as bad. You have Sanders and Paul who are the least like the others.

            Funny a republican was the only person to vote no on the patriot act.

          • DanielTourtillott

            So you’ve vetted the republican nominee already huh?

            Hillary Walmart Warhawk Clinton 2016? Thats absolutely pathetic as pathetic as nominating another Bush.
            Self analyzing is what made me realize that when i was a liberal I had become everything I hated. It was hard for me to come to terms with myself eventually I figured out I was a libertarian not a liberal.
            As a libertarian I often find myself defending people with completely different takes on life, but its freedom and freedom sometimes pisses others off. Just part of it

    • jason

      he lost me at being for Anti-abortion legislature….

      • Greg

        He personally is against abortion but supports states making their own laws.

        • Jordan Shorette

          states making their own laws is the part I like to hear, im definitely pro choice but I think that stems from me being deeply atheist, my household has strong beliefs in science and fact, and im sorry going to “h3ll” lol isn’t a real enough threat for me to sway my argument, honestly I don’t believe men should even be involved in the abortion debates, its a womans body so its a womans choice, that’s as far as ill touch the abortion subject

          • james

            Uh i am a deist with lots of athiest friends who believe after a point abortion is murder. Women dont have the right to kill their children. Science can define what that point is without being religous at all. Its actually logic not religous dogma and am happy debate scientifically why.

            Also the supreme can not easily be overturned. Its only happened five times in history and needs a huge majority to do so. If we define when the fetus is alive roe v wade could be alterred. But first trimester abortions are here to stay.
            Question is would you support abortions of a conscious fetus that is still in a womens body?

          • Commonwealth10

            Science doesn’t exist anymore. Objectivism is void. Males can be females and females be males. White women can be black women, you get the point.

          • james

            No i dont. I dont understand what that has to do with anything.

          • Jordan Shorette

            nope I probably wouldn’t but that’s why they need to determine when the last chance is that’s all im saying on the subject

          • WilliamGillingham

            People always say “It’s the woman’s body” – and that an “anti-abortion stance is anti-woman” – but the whole thing is really about the baby.

            It isn’t about ‘going to heck’ for having an abortion – it is about the baby’s rights. Your rights end when the infringe upon the rights of another – so, in this case, (the anti-abortion crowd) suggest the rights of the baby are being infringed by the mother.

            Rand’s father is known for saying being anti something means you are pro something else – I’m pro-baby! :)

            Anyway – I have no desire to argue about it or change anyone’s stance… just my perspective.

          • Bullshit. It’s about the mother who is carrying that baby. To Republicans, she is just a vessel. You guys say the GOP is for less government, but they are not. They are for more government, especially the kind that gets between women and their doctors.

            Now read this and tell me how it’s all about the baby:

            http://supak.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-state-of-nebraska-tortured-this.html

          • DanielTourtillott

            Wrong subject.
            This is about MMJ reform

            Paul already said he wasn’t taking up the abortion fight

          • He says lots of things. Who knows what to believe? He’ll change his mind tomorrow.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Paul has been vocal about this for 15 years.
            Paul opposes Obama NSA records collecting of all americans, the freedom act does nothing to stop it.
            Can you tell me where he’s flipped on those issues?
            Obama admitted to smoking weed and blowing cocaine, yet he throws millions in jail for the same things(Fing hypocrite)

          • Obama admitted it. Bush didn’t. Whose worse?

            The act that Paul refused to vote for was LESS BAD than the one we have, because Paul wouldn’t vote for the less bad one. Like most Glibertarians, he lets the perfect be the enemy of the good.

            “If I can’t have exactly what I want, then nobody gets anything.”

            And people call me childish.

          • He says lots of things. Who knows what to believe? He’ll change his mind tomorrow.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Your talking about NEO CONS like bush not true republicans like paul

          • That’s the “no true scotsman” fallacy.

            And Republicans used to be liberals.

          • Denny

            and liberals used to have a sliver of common sense, but that was then and here we are today…

          • I was against the Iraq war. How’d that work out for you, warmonger?

            Common sense? You got nuthin. Every time I respond to your crap, you come back with nothing but attacks. Don’t care for facts, do you?

          • I was against the Iraq war. How’d that work out for you, warmonger?

            Common sense? You got nuthin. Every time I respond to your crap, you come back with nothing but attacks. Don’t care for facts, do you?

          • james

            Ah yes the dixecrat swing after the civil rights vote.

          • james

            Ah yes the dixecrat swing after the civil rights vote.

          • DanielTourtillott

            No not all, like I said Im a libertarian not a republican.
            There is a difference scott.

          • There are Republicans who are libertarian on some issues. Then there is the Libertarian party, which for the most part is to the right of Republicans on economics. The Libertarian party doesn’t have one major elected position in this country. They got 1% of the Presidential vote in 2012.

            So, yeah, I’m aware of the difference, Daniel.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Yeah its hard to even get on the ballot the way the two parties have it rigged

          • It’s easy to get on the ballot. It’s hard to get people to waste their vote on your extreme bullshit.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Really the green party couldn’t get on the ballot in every state, I remember Jill Stein being arrested outside the DNC.

          • james

            She is both. The child is a human being with rigbts when the medical community agrees the fetus is conscious.

          • james

            She is both. The child is a human being with rigbts when the medical community agrees the fetus is conscious.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Scott thinks its a central issue in america today.
            Hey scott if you want to, you can get a woman pregnant and then convice her to kill you kid(it’s your right and you seem to want that option)

            Its fathers day I’m celebrating my children today!

          • I’m having a great father’s day, thanks. And abortion is an important issue. I don’t like the government forcing women to give birth. That’s authoritarian bullshit, like prohibition.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Democrats gave us prohibition…

            Forced to have a child? Were they raped?
            Child birth is a natural part of life not a disease or a sentence. There are already reasonable laws in place, paul said he doesn’t seek to change it.
            You accuse me of “changing the subject” yet all you’ve talked about on weedblog.com is abortion. Your a divisive person, you would flip the F out if a republican changed our draconian drug laws wouldn’t you?
            The Democratic party has never not once effected major social change. And don’t tell me FDR’s “new deal” was great social change(if all you got is a bill from the 1950’s go ahead)

          • I’m having a great father’s day, thanks. And abortion is an important issue. I don’t like the government forcing women to give birth. That’s authoritarian bullshit, like prohibition.

        • Wrong. He freaking wrote the Fetal Personhood Act. He supports an amendment called the personhood amendment. This is federal level legislation that would make abortion a crime.

          • DanielTourtillott

            This artilce is about MMJ reform, nice that a democrat gets on here and tries to change the subject.

            Hey man its not 1950! Abortion has been around for 50 years can we please move on…

          • james

            “Just to be precise, if you believe life begins at conception, which I suspect you do, you would have no exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother. Is that right?” Blitzer asked.

            “What I would say is that there are thousands of exceptions. I’m a physician and every individual case is going to be different,” Sen. Paul responded. “Everything is going to be particular to that individual case and what is going on that mother and the medical circumstances of that mother.”

          • james

            “Just to be precise, if you believe life begins at conception, which I suspect you do, you would have no exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother. Is that right?” Blitzer asked.

            “What I would say is that there are thousands of exceptions. I’m a physician and every individual case is going to be different,” Sen. Paul responded. “Everything is going to be particular to that individual case and what is going on that mother and the medical circumstances of that mother.”

      • Commonwealth10

        Not sure why abortion law is still being put into the political debates, usually by “progressives” to try to weigh republicans down into a strawman argument.

        • You’re not sure why abortion is in political debates? Because Republicans want to use the power of the government to force women to give birth. It’s not a straw man. It’s very real. Read some history, find out what it was like for women before Roe v. Wade.

          Or just read this:

          http://supak.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-state-of-nebraska-tortured-this.html

          That’s some strawman, huh?

          • DanielTourtillott

            Your talking about Republicans in general not Rand Paul

            He said he wasn’t going to make abortion a issue or seek to change the laws

            This was about a month ago

          • He says lots of things. Most of them are contrary to things he’s said before. But, please, show me the latest. Has he stopped supporting the fetal personhood act HE WROTE? And if he did say that, do you think that’s going to HELP him with the GOP nomination?

          • Denny

            Do you ever come up for air from that head-in-the-sand stance…

          • Do you ever address specifics? I put up facts, you ignore them, then claim I’m the one with my head in the sand. So typical.

          • Do you ever address specifics? I put up facts, you ignore them, then claim I’m the one with my head in the sand. So typical.

          • stellarvoyager

            Hence, he will never get the nomination.

          • DanielTourtillott

            I don’t know he’s polling very well in new hampshire 1st

          • DanielTourtillott

            Ok scott, preditit? Now really man c’mon scott your grasping at straws.
            Why do you have such a deep seeded hatred for those with differing views than your own?
            And of all the republicans to hate Rand? Really

          • I’m not grasping at straws. I’m for liberty, including gambling. I’ve been a gambler for a long time. Made a bunch of money at Intrade betting on climate and politics. I love to take money from idiots who “unskew” polls or don’t understand global warming.

            So, you think Paul will win, go put your money where your mouth is.

            I have a hatred for people who were complicit in GW Bush lying us into a multi-trillion dollar war, and crashing the economy. I have a hatred for people who bullshit. I have a hatred for people who ignore facts. You want an opinion different than mine, fine. Back it up with facts. I’ve had conversations with people who suggest conservative answers to problems that I’m not always averse to. But if they bullshit, or lie, or support programs that obviously don’t work, I’ll give them shit for it.

            Rand is actually WORSE on economics than most Republicans. His tax plan is a draconian piece of shit put together by Laffer–the creator of trickle down bullshit economics–and Steven Moore. These two idiots have been predicting all kinds of shit that never happened. Bush tax cuts would create millions of jobs, they didn’t. Kansas tax cuts would create lots of jobs, they didn’t. QE will lead to runaway inflation… still hasn’t happened.

            So, yeah, my problem is with people who have been so horribly fucking wrong (the Iraq war will pay for itself! we’ll be greeted as liberators!) about so many fucking things, and yet people still listen to them, still say they’re right… It’s insane. It’s like there’s no price for being wrong about anything anymore, and anyone who perpetuates that deserves to be given shit in a very public, and rude way.

          • DanielTourtillott

            I do donate silly.

          • I didn’t ask you if you donate. I asked you to go bet against me that Rand Paul will be the GOP nominee. Put your money where your mouth is AND where I can get it.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Ok hows a million dollars sound?should we shake on it
            So i only win if paul wins ,but you win if any of the other 25 win? Gee I’m not much of a gambler but that sounds like a suckers bet.

            Win or Not paul will change the party even further, just as his father did.

          • Such a smart ass…

            Go here:

            https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleOption?contractId=440#openoffers1

            Tell me when you’re there.

            There are currently 8 yes shares you can buy for 17 cents. That’s someone else selling those. I’ll put 10 more up there.

            Only costs you a dollar seventy. You could win $17 if Paul becomes the nominee.

            How did Paul’s father “change” the GOP? They’re still a bunch of hippie punching fascists.

          • If you don’t like what Rand Paul stands for, just wait a few days. He’ll change it!

          • DanielTourtillott

            So I read the article, most of having to do with the USA freedom act and the patriot act nsa, ect
            He did not flip on the NSA issue not a bit.
            The “USA FREEDOM ACT” is not enough protection for our 4th(right to privacy ect) Thats why he opposed it, it doesn’t stop the underlying issue of warrantless searches.
            That was three of the Five issues completely misrepresenting what paul was doing.
            SALON write hit pieces and only an uniformed person would swallow that article hook line and sinker.

          • “Thats why he opposed it, it doesn’t stop the underlying issue of warrantless searches.”

            He let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It’s a real problem for Glibertarians. We could have had something less fascist, but because of Paul, we have something more fascist.

            Thanks, Rand.

            And those are just five issues from a story I found quickly. There’s plenty more. Even sources you might like!

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/09/bill-maher-rand-paul_n_7249208.html

            Bill Maher Calls Out Rand Paul For Pandering To Republican Base

            https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/06/05/the-hypocrisy-rand-paul/KfDT1x9Sj42WF9ryOfYflO/story.html

            Rand Paul’s pandering makes his hypocrisy obvious

          • DanielTourtillott

            Ohh no trying to win an election? No not a candidate for election!!! The horror!

            Hillary thinks video games will raise a generation of killers(cira 2005)
            The clintons started Mandatory Minimum Drug Sentencing… But now she thinks her dissicion to ruin millions of lives was simply a mistake.

            You LIBERALS deserve HILLARY-WALMART-WARHAWK-CLINTON
            I’m stoked about voting for Paul
            You already admitted earlier that Hillary sucks hahahaha

          • I would prefer Bernie Sanders. You would prefer Paul. We don’t get what we want. We get the least evil. And when you add it all up, it won’t be Hillary v. Paul, because Republicans are mostly fascists.

            Hillary is fine with me on economics and social issues. She’s a bit hawkish, but won’t be any where near as hawkish as the neocon Cheneyites who will be trying to get Bush elected. But she’s said the right things about mass incarceration and rescheduling. That’s the best we’re going to get now.

            Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

          • DanielTourtillott

            I though paul was a fascist? According to your prior post.
            So if republicans are fascists and paul is a fascist(according to you) why would they not vote for him?
            And Bernie is a Socialist(never never never) he’s no independent he’s the fascist that wants control over your life.
            A Socialist!!!!!
            My grandfather fought a war against them(he’s a talking food spewing muppet head)
            Not that he’s evil, he’s just stupid.

          • I said Republicans are fascists. They have a very small group who sometimes vote libertarian on some issues. But anyone who wants to force women to give birth to rape babies, using the armed force of government, sure as hell isn’t a “libertarian.”

            Bernie Sanders is a small “s” democratic socialist. That’s different than the totalitarian Socialists your grandfather (and mine) fought a war against. This is basic political philosophy. Small “s” democratic socialists want to use the power of government to reduce income inequality and strengthen the safety net. They want a free market, not a rigged market like we have now, where big corporations get to cost shift negative externalities onto those who can least afford it. They support civil rights and civil liberties.

            You know, the opposite of fascism.

          • DanielTourtillott

            No one has ever suggested forcing a woman to have a “rape” baby. Hyperbolae and you know it.

            I guess you don’t think children have the right to be born…
            You guys used force on people to compel them to give money over to corporate america via threat of fines. Democrats are bullies, everything they claim to hate.

            Don’t care what you do with your money or how you make it as long as you stay out of my life.

          • “No one has ever suggested forcing a woman to have a “rape” baby.”

            You’re a liar. Not only do they suggest it, it’s the GOP party platform.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-party-platform-likely-to-stick-with-anti-abortion-stance-unlikely-to-address-rape-exception/2012/08/21/53a2bc2a-eb86-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html

            But plenty of Republicans have said they oppose abortion even in cases of rape.

            http://www.texastribune.org/2012/08/21/state-leaders-oppose-abortion-after-rape-incest/

            > Akin’s broader opposition to abortion in cases of rape is shared by many top Texas leaders. Perry, Attorney General Greg Abbott, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and GOP Senate hopeful Ted Cruz only support abortion when the mother’s life is in jeopardy. The position isn’t uncommon among Republicans

            And…

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/todd-akin-abortion-rape-incest_n_1819201.html

            > there are more than 40 House and Senate candidates besides Akin — including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the man who has been tapped as Mitt Romney’s vice presidential running mate — who want to ban abortion access even for women who have been victims of rape or incest.

            And…

            http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/10/todd_akin_and_richard_mourdock_banning_abortion_for_rape_victims_is_the.html

            > Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock aren’t outliers. Banning abortion for rape victims is the new Republican mainstream.

            So, I’ll wait for you to admit how wrong you are and apologize for saying it’s hyperbole. I’ll also wait for you to tell me how shocked you are that this is such a mainstream position in the GOP.

            “I guess you don’t think children have the right to be born”

            I think the government has no business getting involved in women’s private decisions, but especially rape victims who often don’t realize they’re pregnant until too late.

            I certainly don’t think the government has the right to force them to give birth to rape babies.

            “You guys used force on people to compel them to give money over to corporate america via threat of fines”

            Republicans do the same thing, duh. How else would they pay for their wars?

            Oh, wait. They don’t pay for their wars.

            “as long as you stay out of my life”

            Yeah, since you’re not a pregnant rape victim.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Hillary defends the rapists.

            Yawn on the articles, you ever heard of pandering to the religious right?
            Keep your responses short, Im busy

          • “Keep your responses short, Im busy”

            Fuck you. You’re not my boss.

            You said: “No one has ever suggested forcing a woman to have a “rape” baby. ”

            I proved you’re a liar. They’re not pandering. It’s what they believe.

            You got nuthin.

          • DanielTourtillott

            If you expect me to read your one page response you’ll keep it short. If not fuck off scott, i don’t care what you do. I don’t care how much money you make.

          • I read your long responses, and you read mine until you started saying shit that I proved wrong.

            SO run and hide, son.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Ok scotty!
            I got kids with more testosterone than you.
            Man up socialist and mind your own business.

            The sky is falling chicken little

          • You’re the one who wants to force rape victims to give birth. So, you mind your own business, punk.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Im actually for first trimester and any rape case abortion silly.

          • Still haven’t admitted you were wrong.

            But if you’re supporting Paul for President, you’re supporting someone who wants to severely limit abortion in this country, and you’d be empowering all those Republicans who want to limit it even more than he does.

            Now admit you were wrong.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Paul said he doesn’t plan on making abortion an issue you wierdo.
            Do you speak for all women scotty or just you?

          • Well, lookie here:

            https://disqus.com/by/DanielTourtillott/

            The Washington Times? Big Dead Dumb Breitbart? That explains a lot.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Stalk folks much? Hahaha go find out what your girls up to.

            Weird fuck

          • Of course, the difference between stalking and research isn’t one you’re interested in. But you did seem interested in sources earlier, so I thought I’d see what you list as your favorites. Very revealing. Moonie Times. You’re adorable.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Oh sorry you researched me?
            Wierdo

          • I’m never sorry for doing research. It’s how I learn things. Like 40 GOP candidates for federal office who want to force women to give birth to rape babies. You know, that thing you lied about.

            See, since you won’t admit you were wrong, it looks like you said it intentionally, either knowing you were wrong when you said, or not caring. Either way, it’s bullshit.

            http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7929.html

            “…bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Frankfurt concludes that although bullshit can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner’s capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, Frankfurt writes, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.”

          • DanielTourtillott

            Hhahaha keep it coming scotty?
            So i guess 10% of congress doesn’t like abortion? Ohh no here big guy

            “I was wrong about the 20% of republicans”
            Hahahaha
            You do know it would take a super majority and a presidential signature to overrule the supreme court right chicken little?
            Abortion is here to stay, move on scotty.

            Cheers to all the dead rape babies!
            See now were on the same page, we both hate the unborn.

            Forcing women to have rape babies!!!!!!
            Listen to yourself.
            Idiot

            Its called politics you dolt.

          • DanielTourtillott

            So I stalked you too, It seems to me that you might be a woman yourself as much as you talk about child birth. You haven’t talked about anything but abortion for a week straight, no matter what the article is about.
            Scotty the champion of women!

            Clinton/Supak 2016

            Because democrats can’t win without using divisive subjects like “abortion”
            Stay on subject scotty.

          • I’m on subject, liar.

            You admitted that yes, a big chunk of Republicans oppose abortion even in cases of rape. I’m a father and a husband. The idea of the government wanting to force my wife or daughter to give birth to rape baby makes me want to beat the living shit out of anyone who would try to make that the law of the land.

            You understand? Or are you a pussy when it comes to protecting women?

          • DanielTourtillott

            A big chunk is 40? Out of what 270?
            Math eludes you huh?
            A big chunk would be more like 100-150 not 40 silly goose.

            There are crazies in both parties.
            Anthony Wiener’s wife works for Hillary, I think they both have a thing for perverts.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Well go kill, but you should probably kill the rapist first, he might get Clinton to get him off by calling your daughter a poor promiscuous woman that tends to exaggerate when she is raped. As she does
            So as long as another 230 republicans and 100 democrats don’t support it you got nothing to worry about, and your daughter should get a gun for protection.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Anything else besides your reproductive organs you care about?

          • DanielTourtillott

            My favorites huh?
            I read whatever pops up when I cross reference terms.

            Thats how I came across this blog scotty!

            Weekend at Bernie’s 2016 vote for the food spewing muppet head socialist.
            The guy is the laughing stock of politics
            He can’t beat the proven liar Hillary Walmart dead broke clinton.

            WWBD? Besides talk shit like you?
            Bernie hasn’t got anything accomplished, his state still has draconian drug laws. He didn’t even bother to speak out much against the NSA.

            Bernie Sanders is a cooky socialist muppet head, and he should brush his teeth before he uses a public mic.
            The Ant people are very very cute, until they get older and its just sad…

          • DanielTourtillott

            Ohh no I read an article or 2
            Oh my look i also commented on salon msnbc fox cbs and cnn and weedblog? How fucking crazy huh?
            Please go kill as many of your children as you like, i don’t care about you or your life scotty!

          • DanielTourtillott

            Why are you talking about abortion on weedblog scotty? Need your adderral to stay focused?
            Socialist

          • DanielTourtillott

            Getting pissed scotty?

          • Why should I be pissed? You’re the one who was proven to be a liar.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Ohh sure I’m a liar now scotty.
            All because you got your panties in a was over your right to a abortion. Please kill your kids! One less socialist

          • Here’s you 4 hours ago: “No one has ever suggested forcing a woman to have a “rape” baby. Hyperbolae and you know it.”

            And after I proved you were wrong, that 40 GOP candidates for federal office were against abortion in cases of rape, what did you do? You started complaining that my responses were too long.

            Kill my kids? That’s what you’ve resorted to now? That’s all you got? I mean that is fucking pitiful. Telling me to kill my kids. Fuck you.

          • DanielTourtillott

            I just said that yes 40 or 20% of republicans apparently have religious convictions. I guess in a perfect socialist society religion is not allowed?
            Do religious people not deserve representation by the government?

            Hey just curious, when you build your socialist utopia can i just sit on my ass and live off you or is there a final solution you guys have for us individuals? I would love nothing more than to take all that money you make off “climate change” What do you do get government grants to build solar panels that son’t work?

          • “I just said that yes 40 or 20% of republicans apparently have religious convictions. ”

            That’s the first time you said that. Here’s the history of your evolution on not admitting you were wrong and lying about what you said.

            http://www.theweedblog.com/rand-paul-to-hold-reception-at-marijuana-industry-event#comment-2093462704

            That’s you saying “No one has ever suggested forcing a woman to have a “rape” baby. Hyperbolae and you know it.”

            I really like the “rape” in quotes.

            Then, after I proved you were bullshitting, you said this: “Yawn on the articles, you ever heard of pandering to the religious right?”

            The idea being that none of those whack jobs running for federal office as Republicans really WANTED to force women to give birth to rape babies.

            Then you got pissy and started calling me names.

            So telling.

            Then you said: “Ohh sure I’m a liar now scotty” and suggested I kill my kids.

            This is the quivering blob of spit you’ve been reduced to.

            Now you say: “I just said that yes 40 or 20% of republicans apparently have religious convictions”

            And no, that’s the first time you said that.

            So, now you admit that 20% of Republicans running for federal office in 2012 wanted to force women to give birth to rape babies?

            If you do admit that now, then you know, you’re admitting you were wrong. It’s OK. You can say it. We all get stuff wrong.

            But we don’t all just bullshit like that. Because it’s really easy to look shit up?

            Understand?

            Now, I will bet $100 right now that this will be the hottest year on record. We can use any of the measurement data sets you want. You wingnuts usually prefer Hadcrut. Loser pays winner’s charity.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Ok bet me that, I live in the mohave desert record temp 134 and it hasn’t got anywhere near that since 1984 and this year so far is the coolest and wettest spring in our record books.
            The desert is green green green, it just recently started hitting 110’s and that usually starts around the end of may. Plus a single year or even a hundred years of “climate change” data is nothing compared to the age of the earth. Worry about heavy metals and pollution, not carbon.
            Plants ❤️ crabon
            You ever notice how well plants grow along the highway?So how is it you “profit” from “climate change”

          • While I know you like to think your little shit corner of the world is all there is, the globe is quite large, and CO2 traps heat. It’s very simple science.

            Now, you’ve revealed that you really don’t know much. You bullshit, and lie, and never admit you were wrong about anything… So I don’t expect you to bet $100 that this will be the hottest year. You don’t even know what I’m talking about when I say there are different data sets.

            But you did say “OK bet me that” so, I’ve put it on my calendar.

            See ya.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Did you know that global temperatures have risen by .04 degrees in the last thirty years scotty! Better head to canada and fast!
            In the 1920’s global temperatures were below average, i wonder if they thought the world was going to freeze? Global warming is BS climate change happens, always has.
            Little ice age? Big ice age?
            If it starts to cool should we start a fire?

            And yeah I looked again and temperature actually dropped this year so far and they haven’t risen since 2000.
            I love the maps all dark red and scary looking, but then you see the chart and realize the dark red is not even .5 degrees hotter.

          • DanielTourtillott

            The more CO2 the faster plants grow, plants scrub CO2.

            .04 degrees in thirty years…
            Hey by the time I’m 60 it will be a whole half a degree hotter!

            You won’t admit temps have been steady for 15 years and are now falling.
            Plant a tree scott

          • DanielTourtillott

            Wanna see those Data sets? That show it hadn’t got hotter in 15 years and so far this year is cooler than the last?

          • DanielTourtillott

            I do like my little shit corner of the world, not very many pansies out here and we can shoot guns whenever and damn near wherever we like, and don’t get me started on freedom! Prostitution is legal so is gambling MMJ is ok, the government is pretty much scared to death of us. Which is the way i like it. Still got work to do but it beats california(except the weather)
            When the government fears the people you have freedom, when the people fear the government you have tyranny.

          • “Ok bet me that,”

            You lose.

            All major datasets declared 2015 to be the hottest year (by far) on record.

            > ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/gwp/temp/ann_wld.html

            > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2016/2015-global-temperature

            > data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts%2BdSST.txt

            > http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201512

            You owe $100 to the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund:

            http://climatesciencedefensefund.org/

            I need to see a receipt from them or you will be a welcher.

          • You owe the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund $100; all the major datasets for global temperatures show that last year was, by far, the hottest on records.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Your the one screaming about the privilege to kill your kids so do it. Next time you knock your wife up, look her in the eyes and tell her to kill it.
            :) its your life to take right?

          • DanielTourtillott

            You expect me to read three articles?

          • DanielTourtillott

            You do realize that the articles say about 40 house republicans support it, thats 20% of republicans… Your right to kill a baby is still there scott,

          • You do realize that you said “No one has ever suggested forcing a woman to have a “rape” baby.”

            You do realize that you haven’t admitted being wrong?

            You do realize that electing more republicans will me we have more lawmakers who want to force raped women to give birth to rape babies?

            You do realize that about 25,000 women a year get pregnant from rape?

            You do realize that many of them don’t realize they’re pregnant until late in the term?

            Or do you give a shit?

          • DanielTourtillott

            No, I don’t care that 20% of house republicans care about the unborn.

            Your talking about a subject that is soooo fucking old!!!
            Can we please move past 1950?

          • DanielTourtillott

            So now she’s against her former self? And you call paul a flopper? Hhahaha

          • What are you talking about? She’s against her husband’s former position, and he admitted he was wrong, and he was doing what Republicans wanted anyway.

            Hillary is not Bill.

            Try to keep up.

          • DanielTourtillott

            They’re married, birds of a feather.

            You and I both know who wear the real pants.
            Hillary is a liar like her husband.

            I guess your wife has never influenced your decisions.
            You should watch video of Hillary getting excited about putting those young black kids in jail.
            Have you heard the audio tape of Hillary laughing about getting three violent rapists off scott free? University of Arkansas has it.
            My favorite quote of hers
            “Poor women are more promiscuous and tend to exaggerate instances of rape”-Hillary Clinton The girl was 12 poor and beaten into a coma
            Hillary even admitted she knew they were guilty, yet didn’t recuse herself.
            Bill has never used the internet according to him…
            But we all know that pervert watches nothing but porn.

          • You reveal so much about yourself. Keep talking, Moonie Times Wingnut. Big Dead Breitbart might hire you.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Nah i’m not working in socialist america, ill come over to your(our) house and take whatever you work for :)

          • DanielTourtillott

            You forgot I read WAPO too and USA today.

            DODD Frank caused the bubble you tool, it takes years to create one and years to pop.

          • Good grief. Dodd Frank was passed AFTER THE BUBBLE, you fucking troll.

            Here’s what really caused the housing bubble, which Bush and Greenspan could have easily stopped if they weren’t mocking people who suggested it existed. Remember Bush’s “ownership society”?

            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/mar/09/usa-useconomy

            > This effort by developing countries to accumulate reserves meant that it was not only the countries of east Asia who were exporting like crazy, but rather the whole developing world. Reversing the conventional view in economic theory, in the years after 1997 there was a massive flow of capital from the developing world to the wealthy countries, with the United States being the biggest recipient.

            > This capital flow from the developing world created the hothouse in which the US housing bubble could flourish. The jobs lost to imports created weakness in the labour market. Even though the 2001 recession officially ended in November of that year, the economy continued to shed jobs for nearly two more years, in part due to the loss of jobs to imports. Seeing this weakness in the labour market, the Federal Reserve continually pushed interest rates lower, reaching 1% in the summer of 2003.

            > Low interest rates in turn sustained the bubble far longer than otherwise would have been possible. The bubble itself helped to conceal many of the excesses and outright fraud perpetuated during these years. In a world where housing prices are rising by more than 10% a year, and generating enormous profits for the firms in the real estate and banking sector, many sins can be concealed.

          • DanielTourtillott
          • DanielTourtillott

            Bush isn’t a republican, I never voted for him.
            Don’t support him or his brother.
            But to say bush built a bubble in 4 years is a joke.

            Sub prime mortgages caused it and clinton pushed for them.
            Remember everyone should own a home BS?

          • DanielTourtillott
          • DanielTourtillott

            Why hasn’t Bernie Sander fought for the freedoms of the people of vermont? Mmj mass incarceration ect, all he has ever done was give lip service. Show me when and where Bernie fought for anyones rights by vote not speach.

          • You do know he’s a Senator, and was a congressman for years, right? Long record of votes that are easy to look up. Here:

            http://bfy.tw/SbX

          • DanielTourtillott

            Already looked him up, he’s a socialist. The opposite of what our founding fathers wanted. This country was formed to get away from people that want to run other peoples lives.
            Socialism has never ended well for the people.

            Why has he not been vocal about mmj in Vermont? Afraid of not getting re elceted? For a guy who wants term limits he sure has been in office forever…

            He’s only there to placate you.
            He wont even really criticize hillary…

            SOCIALISM IS TYRANNY

          • What you need to look up is the difference between Socialisim and democratic socialism. The capital S socialists are for government control of industry. Nationalization. The small s socialists want things like expanded Social Security, and health care for all.

            And if you think the founding fathers weren’t for promoting the general welfare, you’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

            Social security is not tyranny. Medicare is not tyranny. But they are socialistic.

            Understand?

            Take a political philosophy class.

            “This country was formed to get away from people that want to run other peoples lives.”

            Unless they want to lock up rape victims to force them to give birth to rape babies and then give the rapist parental rights.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Health care has nothing to do with health insurance.

          • Dude, you just ignored a whole bunch of shit there… And that’s like saying car insurance has nothing to do with fixing your broken car.

          • DanielTourtillott

            It doesn’t you can pay out of pocket.

            So are you saying they will let me die if i don’t have insurance but i have the cash?

          • They won’t let you die even if you don’t have the cash. It’s called the EMTALA, and it was signed by Reagan. ERs cannot refuse treatment to anyone. That’s part of the problem. People were taking advantage of that. It’s called the free rider problem. Most expensive socialized medicine plan of all.

          • DanielTourtillott

            Healthcare industry profited 40 billion a year even caring for the unisured.

          • DanielTourtillott

            What do you call a subsidy?
            If thats not a free ride?
            Hospital write off the expenses they don’t lose money

          • DanielTourtillott

            We pay for SS and medicade

          • Yes, and we pay for food stamps and all those other things so if we need them, say, if GW Bush crashes the world economy and sends GDP to negative nine, we can use them. Funny how that works! And that’s small “s” sociailsm, AKA democratic socialism. Look it up! It’s easy! Just put it in the Google machine!

          • DanielTourtillott

            You mean Bill Clinton who rolled back Dodd frank relaxing mortage laws leading to a ten year bubble on another idiots watch? You don’t even know that the clintons did that too.

            DODD FRANK,Mandatory minimum sentencing, and pedophilia what a sad sad party the democrats have become.
            The Democrats have the smallest number of representatives since the roaring 20’s! Ohh yeah the democrats caused the great depression too(Wilson)federal reserve(he states it was the biggest regret of his life) Now i will agree that Bush and the Fed went along with the whole thing.

          • Denny

            Bill Maher is a spineless guy who sits on the sidelines and snipes everyone he hadn’t kissed up to over the years which completely undermines his credibility.

          • Genetic fallacy. You’ve avoided the points and attacked the source. Typical. Can’t argue, snipe.

          • DanielTourtillott

            No see Ive been following him for years and I like him now more than ever. :)

          • Good for you. If you think he’ll win, go bet on it. I’d like to take your money.

            https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleMarket?marketId=1232

            and

            https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleMarket?marketId=1234

          • Denny

            Clinton is the queen of flippers and liars, and it’s all in her emails…

          • Examples?

          • DanielTourtillott

            You standing up for womems rights too young lady?
            The salon article is a joke i read it.
            Three of the “so called filp-flops” are BS
            He’s against NSA spying the “USA FREEDOM ACT ALLOWS IT TO CONTINUE!!!!”
            Thats why he said no to both the “Patriot act” and “usa freedom act”

            Why do we need a “freedom act” if we are free anyway.

            Research and cross refrence the article its mostly BS.

            If you don’t read salon then why are you so veligouroulsy defending and opinion media outlet?

          • I’m defending the facts. I posted more for you in another comment. Find it. Lots of fun facts about Rand Paul’s bullshit that you want to avoid for some reason.

          • Commonwealth10

            You clearly possess a simple mind. Republicans at least the legitimate ones running this year, are not running to stop abortion. That’s not one of their tenets. So the democrats trying to inject it into legitimate conversation is in fact a straw man. Nice try though.

          • Go luck up the GOP platform. Read what it says about abortion. Then tell me it’s not one of their tenets, because it most certainly is, and quite a big one.

          • Go luck up the GOP platform. Read what it says about abortion. Then tell me it’s not one of their tenets, because it most certainly is, and quite a big one.

          • newageblues

            Get real. Republicans are still very interested in banning abortion. They’ve been making all kinds of restrictions on the state level, and will do the same at the federal level if they have the power.

          • Commonwealth10

            You clearly possess a simple mind. Republicans at least the legitimate ones running this year, are not running to stop abortion. That’s not one of their tenets. So the democrats trying to inject it into legitimate conversation is in fact a straw man. Nice try though.

      • DanielTourtillott

        Actually he came out and said “personally I’m against it, but its not a issue I’m going to take up we have bigger problems”

        He’s right though, personal feelings shouldn’t be forced on others just because they get elected.

    • Denny

      Hello–the Clinton’s a multimillionaires!
      Rand Paul seems to come across is a genuine, consistent manner, and that’s very refreshing in a politician.

      • Rand Paul is a bullshitter. He changes his positions regularly. And he’s not exactly poor.

        • Denny

          He’s a rookie when it comes to BS compared to the Clinton’s and “O”.

          • Examples? Or you just bullshitting as usual?

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

            Pretty good record.

            Again, we don’t get what we want for President. We get least evil. Or GW Bush. But you’re fine with massive debt, recession, and war.

          • E Ghost

            Oh, you mean like what we have now?

            Your hating on Paul but I can’t think of another candidate who has criticized our presence over seas more. Maybe you don’t like Paul, but do you like any of the other Republicans more?

            Paul matches my views almost to a T so I can’t understand why someone wouldn’t want to get behind someone who wants to balance the budget, stop nation building, stop arresting people for drug offenses, recognizes that drug laws are racist, and believes in a market where people can trade goods and ideas and doesn’t believe in the corporate-government partnerships that have plagued us.

            But anyway, what is so damned wrong with Paul that you’d just bash him all day without recognizing anything that you agree with him on? I’ve read several of your points where you have his position wrong which leads me to believe that you been mislead by someone. Would you rather another Republican win the nomination or are you just scared that he is strong enough to beat Sanders or some other democrat?

          • The deficit has shrunk under Obama, the debt is mostly Bush’s, and we are no longer at war with thousands of troops in Iraq or Afghanistan. If you think what we have now is anything close to what we had in Jan 2009, you’re deluded.

            ” I can’t think of another candidate who has criticized our presence over seas more”

            Guess you don’t think about Bernie Sanders?

            “what is so damned wrong with Paul that you’d just bash him all day without recognizing anything that you agree with him on?”

            I started this whole thing by saying he’s good on the drug war. I also said he won’t be the nominee, so you’re wasting your time. But good luck anyway.

            What I disagree with him on is abortion, and economics. His tax plan was designed by people who’ve been horribly wrong for a long time, about almost everything, and would do to us what they did to Kansas.

            Fuck that.

        • rhoner

          Scott I read most of your posts below and I have to say I don’t agree with much of what you say or link us to. I have been following Rand Paul since he got into politics back in 2007 with his father. He really isn’t saying anything different now than he did then. Like Sen. Sanders, Paul believes in what he says. The others, IMHO, just say whatever they think will get them votes. So hate Paul if you want to but don’t twist what he says to serve your own purposes.

        • metalbuoy

          Good thing hillary isnt rich. God stop your bitching this is about getting cannabis legalized just like gay marriage was made official very very very very soon. Smoke cannabis and F the united states government!!!! Both sides can lick my taint!!! Practice anarchy!!!!!

      • Jordan Shorette

        I actually like the Clintons a lot as well its just that I get a gut feeling shes going to get in there and shrug off a lot of the issues like Obama did or ignore them for the most part like he did with rescheduling cannabis. Rand Paul gives the impression hes got something to prove so he will get things done in attempt to back that up, I hate fighting back and forth over candidates its just my opinion but my vote is def not set in stone lol

  • Take your money? That is the Government’s job.

    • Chicken shit. And how would we pay for all your GOP wars if the government didn’t take your money?

      Oh, wait. Republicans don’t pay for their wars. They put them on their credit card.

      Now I’m still selling shares of Paul to win the GOP nom. GO buy some.

    • Lost comment here, pointing out that unless the guv took your money, you wouldn’t be able to pay for your wars.

      Oh, wait. You’re a Republican. You don’t pay for your wars. You put them on the credit card, and then blame the debt on the next guy.

  • PlugUgly

    Fuck Rand Paul!!!! Bought by big corporations and works for the top 1%….Hillary is more of the same just like most politicians!!! They are all full of shit!
    If you people aren’t one of the top 1% then how and the heck can you support either of them!
    Quit watching FAUX news propaganda BS before supporting any of these candidates!

    • KevH

      Actually, he just proposed a tax reform plan that would eliminate all corporate deductions, credits, and loopholes. You might want to take a deeper look.

      • PlugUgly

        You should read all of the plan! It’s lowering the taxes for the wealthiest and will increase our debt by like a few trillion dollars!

        • PlugUgly
        • Frank the Tank

          Rand’s Fair Flat Tax won’t increase the debt because he’s cutting spending by a lot more. Both republicans and democrats have spent way more than we bring in. The rich simply don’t have the NET WORTH to pay for one year, much less pay down the debt. So we must cut spending.

          • You honestly think he’ll get any defense cuts, or fossil fuel subsidy cuts, or even medicare cuts, through a Republican congress?

            You honestly think a flat tax with a token VAT would be “fair?”

            We spend twice as much per person on health care as the rest of the civilized world. If we paid close to what they pay, we’d have surpluses as far as we could see, even at current low tax levels and high defense spending.

          • You honestly think he’ll get any defense cuts, or fossil fuel subsidy cuts, or even medicare cuts, through a Republican congress?

            You honestly think a flat tax with a token VAT would be “fair?”

            We spend twice as much per person on health care as the rest of the civilized world. If we paid close to what they pay, we’d have surpluses as far as we could see, even at current low tax levels and high defense spending.

          • james

            In your twisted world maybe.

          • ? In my twisted world Paul would pass the cuts I mentioned? Or in my twisted world the US spends WAY TOO MUCH on health care?

          • james

            That we would have surpluses.

          • Pay attention while this truly dense person teaches you something about the US budget:

            http://www.cepr.net/calculators/hc/hc-calculator.html

            > The U.S. health care system is possibly the most inefficient in the world: We spend twice as much per person on health care as other advanced countries, but we have worse health outcomes, including a lower life expectancy. The government, through programs like Medicare and Medicaid, pays for approximately half of the country’s health care, almost all of which is actually provided by the private sector. Thus, the bulk of our projected rising budget deficits are due to skyrocketing private health care costs.

            http://www.alternet.org/economy/rip-how-private-sector-health-costs-are-killing-american-dream

            > If we paid the same amount for health care per person as other wealthy countries do, we’d have a balanced budget now and surpluses projected for the future.

            Data:

            http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country

          • Pay attention while this truly dense person teaches you something about the US budget:

            http://www.cepr.net/calculators/hc/hc-calculator.html

            > The U.S. health care system is possibly the most inefficient in the world: We spend twice as much per person on health care as other advanced countries, but we have worse health outcomes, including a lower life expectancy. The government, through programs like Medicare and Medicaid, pays for approximately half of the country’s health care, almost all of which is actually provided by the private sector. Thus, the bulk of our projected rising budget deficits are due to skyrocketing private health care costs.

            http://www.alternet.org/economy/rip-how-private-sector-health-costs-are-killing-american-dream

            > If we paid the same amount for health care per person as other wealthy countries do, we’d have a balanced budget now and surpluses projected for the future.

            Data:

            http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country

          • Missing comment here. Here, pay attention while this “dense” person teaches you something:

            > The U.S. health care system is possibly the most inefficient in the world: We spend twice as much per person on health care as other advanced countries, but we have worse health outcomes, including a lower life expectancy. The government, through programs like Medicare and Medicaid, pays for approximately half of the country’s health care, almost all of which is actually provided by the private sector. Thus, the bulk of our projected rising budget deficits are due to skyrocketing private health care costs.

            http://www.cepr.net/calculators/hc/hc-calculator.html

            > Rip-Off: How Private-Sector Health Costs Are Killing the American Dream

            > If we paid the same amount for health care per person as other wealthy countries do, we’d have a balanced budget now and surpluses projected for the future.

            http://www.alternet.org/economy/rip-how-private-sector-health-costs-are-killing-american-dream

            > The US spends more than any other country in the world on healthcare – but how does it really compare? Every country in the world’s health spending detailed

            http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country

          • Missing comment here. Here, pay attention while this “dense” person teaches you something:

            > The U.S. health care system is possibly the most inefficient in the world: We spend twice as much per person on health care as other advanced countries, but we have worse health outcomes, including a lower life expectancy. The government, through programs like Medicare and Medicaid, pays for approximately half of the country’s health care, almost all of which is actually provided by the private sector. Thus, the bulk of our projected rising budget deficits are due to skyrocketing private health care costs.

            http://www.cepr.net/calculators/hc/hc-calculator.html

            > Rip-Off: How Private-Sector Health Costs Are Killing the American Dream

            > If we paid the same amount for health care per person as other wealthy countries do, we’d have a balanced budget now and surpluses projected for the future.

            http://www.alternet.org/economy/rip-how-private-sector-health-costs-are-killing-american-dream

            > The US spends more than any other country in the world on healthcare – but how does it really compare? Every country in the world’s health spending detailed

            http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country

          • james

            That we would have surpluses.

          • ? In my twisted world Paul would pass the cuts I mentioned? Or in my twisted world the US spends WAY TOO MUCH on health care?

          • JimBob

            This is your reply? Pathetic!

          • james

            In your twisted world maybe.

          • JimBob

            Fuck. I had no idea I’d run across so many right-wing fanatics on a site like this. Maybe you need to review how many corporations aren’t even paying corporate taxes and consider the trillions that are stashed away off-shore’t before you whine about how rich individuals can’t retire the debt. The DOD is the black hole of the debt problem, along with all those tax cuts for the wealthy. Unfortunately neither party has any interest in significantly reducing the DOD.

            And Rand won’t go after the DOD and there’s no other significant government spending, other than Social Security and Medicare. He’s already made his views on SSI clear – raise the retirement age means test benefits and send savings to Wall Street so they can gamble it away. (And yes, the FIRE industry has been the main contributor to his campaign. That’s where he and Hillary both have deep-pocketed friends!

        • Logic

          Lol, I’m guessing plugugly is a smelly hippie sitting on their couch trying to figure out what they’re going to do tomorrow, Monday, because they don’t have a job. I’m guessing that plugugly has had rigorous education in economics and really understands how things work….. adjust your tinfoil hat hippie!

          • I’m guessing you can’t argue the point so you just attack.

          • newageblues

            Guessing is the word for it, you’re right about that..

      • And it was designed by people like Moore and Laffer who’ve been proven wrong over and over again. If you like what Brownback did to Kansas, you’ll love what Paul wants to do to the country.

        • E Ghost

          Wow you just regurgitated the quote from Bruce Bartlett in the Politico article about Rand’s proposal. Maybe try reading things and then forming your own opinions.

          • I do form my own opinions, but in this case, regurgitating the quote is good enough to make the point. I don’t have all fucking day to deal with you idiots.

            So, do you have a defense of a tax scheme that’s screwed Kansas, or not?

    • rhoner

      Bought by big corporations? How so? Name one? If there is a candidate who is NOT like the rest it is Sen. Paul. The rest, except maybe Sanders, are sheep and spew the same nonsense over and over.

        • james

          Like Bill clinton was.

          • Like all [modern] presidents have been. But Bill ain’t runnin, son. His wife is. She is a different person, and supports campaign finance reform.

            Show me the Republican who supports that, and I’ll show you another Republican who won’t win the GOP nomination.

          • Like all [modern] presidents have been. But Bill ain’t runnin, son. His wife is. She is a different person, and supports campaign finance reform.

            Show me the Republican who supports that, and I’ll show you another Republican who won’t win the GOP nomination.

          • james

            So she’s for campaign finance butntakes the hand outs including koch industries and hires a monsanto lobyist to run her campaign. Hmmm

          • She can’t compete if she doesn’t. Are you realistic or not?

          • james

            I dont know ron paul raised a lot of money.

            Are you realistic you think the money was free?
            The last democrat do do anyrhing meaningful was assasinated.

            So would she fight for campaign finance reform issues before ornafter her next election if she gets in?

            Its like torture once you cross the line you have become your enemy.

          • You: “I dont know ron paul raised a lot of money.”

            I posted the link to the records.

            You: “The last democrat do do anyrhing meaningful was assasinated.”

            Johnson signed the civil rights laws. What did Kennedy do, exactly? Fund NASA well? Keynesian science!

            Obama decreased the uninsured rate by record amounts, saving millions of lives and billions of dollars.

            You want torture, vote Republican. You want war, vote Republican. Rand Paul will not be the GOP nominee. I will put my money where my mouth is on that.

            So long. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

          • james

            You are by far the bigest liberal tool i have ever heard of making into adulthood. Thats saying a lot I grew up in Vermont

            Obama totally fucked the people with the health care law. He made insurance companies even richer. And no millions of lives will not be saved by the health care bill. Maybe mother jones has misled you. What he did do is make it very hard for small businesses. We could have used almost any model in the world. It would take a market solution in the us since people are so afraid of any form of socialized medicine. Which would probably be modelled like swiss have done.

            Kennedy stood up to aipac, inspired people and wrote and worked on the civil rights legislation. He was going to sign it and he promoted and wrote the bill you tool. He also prosecuted the mafia and inspired a generation of people. His speeches were for the people and he tried to get rid of funding other countries and having outside interest in congress.

            Oh and so what you posted a link.

            I have honestly never met an adult with such childish views.

            Progressives are such nazi’s like the neo cons. If anyone doesnt fit their exact mold their opinions dont matter.

            The last 4 elections have been almost dead heats. You cant alienate half the populations views and expect to help anything.

            Like i said if it were hillary and paul i would vote for paul because he is less of a hawk.

            If it were any other pub i wouldnt vote republican. If it were sanders and paul itnwould be a tough choice.

            Roe V Wade cannot be changed. There are not enough votes remember 2/3 vote.

            Hillary will talk campaign finance reform but do nothing besides there will never be a 2/3 vote for citizens united ammendment without a constant address to the public to put pressure on congress. Hillary couldnt get ellected without the massive lobyist funding by monsanto and all her bankers and special interest. She wouldnt have a chance without a war chest.

          • I would have preferred medicare for all. But we couldn’t get that because centrist democrats, like Ben Nelson, didn’t want it. They didn’t even want a public option. So we got this free-market solution that will give the insurance companies more business. At least O care limits them to spending 20% on other shit: now they have to spend 80% of what they make on care. But maybe you didn’t know that.

            “What he did do is make it very hard for small businesses.”

            I have two small businesses and many friends with their own businesses and what the ones with less than 50 employees can, and are, doing, is raising the pay of their employees with the money they used to spend on their health care, and letting the employees buy their own insurance on the exchanges, where it’s cheaper.

            But you’ve already bought into the right wing bullshit on that, so you won’t listen.

            Kennedy got the civil rights bill going, yes, but it was his brother who fought the mob. Kennedy also started using agent orange in Vietnam, upped the numbers of advisors and special forces, fucked up royally on the bay of pigs, and almost got us into WWIII.

            “I have honestly never met an adult with such childish views.”

            Be specific. I want to be part of a coalition that protects choice and doesn’t do stupid shit. That turns out to be Democrats. I would prefer them to be more liberal, but they’re still a hell of a lot better than the alternative. And if 8 years of GW Bush didn’t prove that to you, then you’re a hopeless right wing nut job.

            “Progressives are such nazi’s like the neo cons”

            Exact opposites. We’re for civil liberties. We’re against war. We’re against racism. We’re for investing in infrastructure and education.

            You want compromise, but you complain about the compromisers. And you call me childish.

            “The last 4 elections have been almost dead heats”

            Uh, wrong.

            2008 Popular vote: 69,498,516 to 59,948,323

            Percentage: 52.9% to 45.7%
            Electoral vote: 365 to 173

            And you call that a dead heat? Go back to math class.

            And 2012:

            Electoral vote: 332 to 206

            Popular vote: 65,915,796 to 60,933,500

            Percentage: 51.1% to 47.2%

            Again, not even close. Certainly not a dead heat, like the two races GW Bush supposedly won.

            “Roe V Wade cannot be changed. There are not enough votes remember 2/3 vote.”

            You’re talking about voting for someone for President who wants to change it. Enough people like you line up to vote for this bullshitter, and it gets changed. But even if they can’t pass a personhood amendment, they could pass the fetal personhood act, which only needs 60 votes to clear a Senate fillibuster, and to pass the house with a majority vote, and to be signed by your President PAUL who WROTE THE FUCKING BILL.

            Your argument on campaign finance seems to be that it won’t pass, even though you want it to, because it won’t have enough people to vote for it, because you won’t vote for the people who would vote for it.

            Genius.

            No one gets elected in the post citizens united world unless they have a war chest. Paul’s taking money from the Koch brothers. I’m sure Monsanto will give him money too. Big corporations love him because he wants to do away with regulations that control pollution, worker safety, and all those fun things we got after the last gilded age.

            But your choice will not be Paul vs Hillary. Republicans love punching hippies too much to vote for a guy who won’t punch hippies or bomb brown people further back into the stone age.

            And finally, you don’t have to “change” row v wade. These people are already putting restrictions on abortion without overturning roe.

          • JimBob

            Sorry, but the last time I checked it was Democrats who got us into Vietnam and Republicans who kept us there. I think your arguments start to get weak when you suggest there are major differences between the two. In fact, Hillary even voted for Bush’s Iraq fiasco, a did many others.

            I don’t think there’s anyone right now who supports legalization other than the Green Party and hopefully Sanders will change that. But then Sanders isn’t a real Democrat, he’s an independent social democrat.

            Just like Papa Paul, Rand is more interested in giving the power to throw people in jail for pot use to the states, rather than the Federal government. His faux libertarianism is more the old Dixiecrat ‘states right’ mantra.

          • There’s a big difference for BELIEVING the lies that got us into a multi-trillion dollar war that maimed and killed millions, and TELLING the lies that got us there. And Hillary has apologized and admitted she was wrong. How about W? Cheney? Rummy made some recent revisions to his past, I hear.

            Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination for President. I intend to vote for him in the Primary.

            You certainly nailed Rand Paul.

            It really looks like our best option is to push Hillary to the left on Weed (and a few other issues). Voting for Sanders is the best way I can think of to do that.

            I vote Green when I can. I voted for Hawkins for Governor.

          • JimBob

            Sorry, but I’m too old to be fooled again by a corporate courtesan like Hillary and don’t expect the Repukes to apologize for anything. Hillary is a Wall Street stooge and foreign policy hawk, a country club Republican at best, just like her whorish husband.

            I’ve never voted Republican and only infrequently voted Democrat. I vote my conscience.

            Sanders will change the debate and Hillary will inch in the direction and move to the right after the election. That’s the well choreographed routine.

          • james

            I dont know ron paul raised a lot of money.

            Are you realistic you think the money was free?
            The last democrat do do anyrhing meaningful was assasinated.

            So would she fight for campaign finance reform issues before ornafter her next election if she gets in?

            Its like torture once you cross the line you have become your enemy.

          • She can’t compete if she doesn’t. Are you realistic or not?

          • james

            So she’s for campaign finance butntakes the hand outs including koch industries and hires a monsanto lobyist to run her campaign. Hmmm

        • james

          Like Bill clinton was.

        • rhoner

          Scott, Koch Industries total contribution to Sen. Paul was $17,000, I am no expert but I don’t think that amount will buy a U.S. Senator. I also know that Sen. Paul solicited more support from the Koch brothers for his presidential campaign but they declined and are putting their elsewhere. I think your comment is inaccurate.

        • rhoner

          Scott, Koch Industries total contribution to Sen. Paul was $17,000, I am no expert but I don’t think that amount will buy a U.S. Senator. I also know that Sen. Paul solicited more support from the Koch brothers for his presidential campaign but they declined and are putting their elsewhere. I think your comment is inaccurate.

        • Roberto Guerrero

          Keep up with your hate toward the only real Candidate that actually is serious about ending pot prohibition. Wouldn’t be surprised if you voted for the current POTUS that promised reform and just amped up enforcement. Oh, and about those even Koch brothers, not one peep from you about the Hungarian Billionaire George Soros that buys elections and causes….Right?

          • “real” candidate?

            Love the Soros shit. Here’s the thing. One candidate in the General will be on the record as supporting campaign finance reform, and the other won’t.

            But here’s the thing. “rhoner” asked for ONE example, and I gave one. Sucks, don’t it?

        • Roberto Guerrero

          Keep up with your hate toward the only real Candidate that actually is serious about ending pot prohibition. Wouldn’t be surprised if you voted for the current POTUS that promised reform and just amped up enforcement. Oh, and about those even Koch brothers, not one peep from you about the Hungarian Billionaire George Soros that buys elections and causes….Right?

      • JimBob

        It’s not difficult to see what the contributions were up to 2014 and the FIRE, health care and energy industries have been the largest contributors. These current figures are for his Kentucky campaign, let’s see who ponies up to buy him for the next election. https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00030836&type=I

  • 1%er

    Plug ugly, shame on you and your foul mouth. You obviously are challenged by the English Language and your inability to express your feelings succinctly in proper English.

    And you better get to know the facts before you trip over your own little love muscle because Rand Paul is not owned by the big corporations, but like his wonderful father before him, is completely his own man. And I am quite sure his forward thinking views will elect him as the next President of this great country, regardless of the likes of uneducated idiots like you.

  • Funny, the same chunk of 150 shares at 16 cents each is still sitting there, just like it was yesterday. Not one of you Rand Paul sycophants has bought a single share.

    It’s funny how Republicans are so afraid to put money where there mouths are.

    https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleOption?contractId=440

    • james

      Or maybe people dont like to gamble money? You k ow you sound rediculous right. You are creating a scene out of the yes men or idocracy.

      • Oh, please. These Glibertarians are all for legal gambling.

      • Oh, please. These Glibertarians are all for legal gambling.

    • james

      Or maybe people dont like to gamble money? You k ow you sound rediculous right. You are creating a scene out of the yes men or idocracy.

  • Funny, the same chunk of 150 shares at 16 cents each is still sitting there, just like it was yesterday. Not one of you Rand Paul sycophants has bought a single share.

    It’s funny how Republicans are so afraid to put money where there mouths are.

    https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleOption?contractId=440

  • Layla Godey

    Good for Rand Paul!

  • HCV

    We could certainly slow the aging
    process of Americans down a lot, if it had to work its way through Congress.

    • HCV

      I for one have had it with Scott Supak and his Jones Town philosophy. He has a tendency to overtake any article that pits R’s & D’s in the mix (who cares). Making D’s the superior beings. I can only recommend that his posts be limited to 27 posts. So we can move on to the more important aspect of this blog, which is the freedom of Cannabis use. Notice he hardly ever mentions anything to do with the primary subject of cannabis. Only Democrat’s Kool Aid Psychobabble.,, If I needed that sort of Psychobabble I would watch MSNBC (between their info-mercials on the George Forman Grill) or even QVC for that matter.,,,,,. IMHO

      • 96% of Democrats voted the right way on recent marijuana votes in the US House recently. Only 20% of Republicans did.

        And I don’t give a shit if you want to call my philosophy Jones Town, which is total bullshit, since I’m an atheist.

        I mention marijuana all the time.

        And if you want psychobabble, just watch the GOP talk about war and torture.

        Now piss off if you have nothing constructive to say.

      • JimBob

        Jones Town philosophy? That’s just pure BS and you show your right-wing sympathies spewing that nonsense. The description of the different approach between Paul and Sanders is fairly simple to understand, so I’m not sure what confused you. Why don’t you explain why you disagreed with that post, if you can summon the courage?

        • HCV

          Please notice that my posting was made long before the statement you refer to.
          And it was only done in a jocular fashion.

      • metalbuoy

        Agreed. That is exactly what both sides want, pro-cannabis people fighting among themselves. And foul language truly has no place where you are trying to persuade closed minds, either. And while I am at it, I have a pet peeve with people that use “there” when it should be”their”. It just irks me haha

  • Nathaniel

    There is something to be said for a candidate sticking his neck out like that and pushing for the movement. Is it pandering though or does he believe in this level of personal freedom? That is what remains to be seen and the answer will only be revealed if he wins the nomination.
    I question which is more important: Is his fight to get legislation passed more important than him winning the nomination where he is sure to lose the general election? I would say yes.

  • stellarvoyager

    Bernie Sanders wants to decriminalize cannabis at the federal level and then look at taking further steps from there. Rand wants to move cannabis into schedule 2, and pharmaceuticalize it. And unlike Rand, Bernie has an economic platform that will benefit everyone, not just those at the top. Bernie Sanders is the better candidate.

    • E Ghost

      I’ll vote for either one, but apparently you haven’t seen Rand’s tax plan, which by all accounts helps anyone who earns a paycheck and eliminates corporate subsidies.

    • The difference in their approaches is quite important. Thanks for pointing that out. From what I’ve been reading, Sanders is moving toward a pretty big announcement on marijuana. Maybe he’ll be the first to call for legalization. A good majority of Democrats agree.

      Rand Paul can’t come out for legalization if he wants to win the GOP nomination, not that he wants to legalize anyway. A big majority of Republicans still oppose legalization. Especially in the south. Bernie’s the one in the political space where he could say that right now and actually pick up votes!

  • moldy

    Too bad y’all drank the polical punch, both sides are evil. We need to start over since we’ve all been sold out years ago.

  • Ted Mishler

    i wonder what gerald celente has to say about rand
    rand is not in favor of legalization, is he
    he is in favor of mandatory drug screens in the work place to prevent us from a good paying job
    we must all seek out means to be off the high treasonous grid ideally
    and read and study chemistry, in particular cannabis alchemy so that we will all know how to more spirituality out of our weed
    see you at church in indy

    • ted mishler

      how to get more spirituality out of our weed, by converting cbn to thc, and converting the thc to thc acetate, i read where the weight of the oil is increased, as well as the spirituality religious experience as well, seems the thing to learn
      that way, no matter how weak and sleepy any ditch weed is, it can be converted from weak weed that might make one want to nod off with a nap, to a weed that is a joy, and using it can make for excitement, as the thrill of being alive is greatly enhanced, as the beauty of the world is breathtaking and all:-)

  • Ted Mishler
  • HCV

    Remember this class
    The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.

    • newageblues

      No one’s in class here.

  • Jordan Shorette

    your about 2 days to late lol we are all well aware of the salon article

  • metalbuoy

    If it comes down to rand paul vs. Bernie Sanders, vote sanders for the best marijuana policies. BUT rand paul vs. Hillary isnt even close. You better vote rand paul there… She only calls herself a progressive. She would keep marijuana illegal just like bill and barry “o” did.

  • Metis

    Thanks for your careful arguments. All of this may be correct. However, government must stay out of women’s bodies.