Nov 252014
 November 25, 2014

marijuana cash industry bankingThe landscape of the marijuana world is changing a lot these days. For a long time the marijuana industry operated in the shadows. The industry back then was largely comprised of stoners that were part of the counter culture movement. Yes, some were hippies who wore tie dye and listened to Grateful Dead. I was certainly ‘that kid’ when I was growing up. I wore tie dye Grateful Dead tour shirts to school all the time. For the record, I’m 33 years old, so this all took place in the 1990’s (not exactly the flower child era!). I was proud to be called a stoner then, and I’m proud to be called a stoner now, even though it’s considered to be a ‘put down’ by many. I frequented head shops, and listened to mixed CDs that were full of marijuana themed songs by Cypress Hill and other ‘stoner musicians.’ I watched movies like Half Baked and Cheech and Chong on an almost daily basis. I lived, ate, and breathed marijuana, and still do to this day obviously.

Whereas the marijuana industry was entirely a cottage industry back in the day, it’s been rapidly evolving. Marijuana laws are being reformed, and with that reform new business opportunities are being created. There is big money to be made in a legal marijuana industry, and that big money is attracting investors who are not from the ‘stoner culture.’ They wear suits, and graduated from silver spoon universities. Very few of these people even consume marijuana, and definitely didn’t back in the day. They have never fought for reform, at least not prior to trying to make money off of marijuana consumers, and are mainly motivated by profit. I don’t personally think there’s anything wrong with people wanting to make money in the marijuana industry, but I do have a problem with people that want to bash and alienate marijuana consumers in the process. It’s OK to want to rebrand marijuana, but not when it comes at the expense of the average marijuana consumer.

I call these people ‘suits’ and suits don’t seem to like stoners. Rather than cater to the average marijuana consumer, these suits are trying to replace the average marijuana consumer with other suits. But the fact of the matter is, the marijuana consumer base is still largely made up of people like myself, not suits. Does that mean that no person that wears a suit consumes marijuana? Of course not. There are many professional people that consume marijuana. It’s just that they don’t consume marijuana and buy marijuana related products on nearly the scale that the ‘traditional’ marijuana consumer does. All of my friends and family that are true die hard marijuana fans spend just about every dollar of their disposable income on marijuana and marijuana products. Compare that to the consumer base that suits wish the marijuana industry will eventually become, which will never buy marijuana and marijuana products at the same pace. The consumer that suits really want to cater to buys marijuana once in a while, and when they do, it’s not much. They buy a couple of grams once every couple of weeks when they want to unwind, but for the most part, they are not a day in day out consumer.

Very slowly, new marijuana investors are realizing this. The prime example that has been making headlines lately is Brendan Kennedy, the CEO of Leafly. Mr. Kennedy recently entered into an agreement with Bob Marley’s family to create the ‘Marley Natural’ marijuana strain. Creating a marijuana strain with Bob Marley’s name is a no brainer business decision, as Bob Marley is obviously one of the most famous and revered marijuana celebrities of all time. However, it has created a PR issue for Brendan Kennedy due to the fact that he has made so many insensitive comments about stoners in the past, and has even thrown Bob Marley’s name under the bus in an attempt to try to rebrand marijuana. Per a very accurate article written by valued contributor to the Blog Russ Belville for the Huffington Post:

In June 2013, the New York Times was covering Kennedy for “How to Invest in Dope” (interestingly, the story’s URL is “how-to-succeed-in-the-legal-pot-business,” indicating that someone changed the title.) Again the story of how Privateer acquired Leaf.ly is revealed, with the Times reporting “A big part of the site’s appeal was that it wasn’t already branded with symbols of pot culture.” Kennedy explained that “It didn’t have any of the old clichés. The site wasn’t plastered with pot leaves or pictures of Bob Marley.”

The article has numerous quotes from Brendan Kennedy highlighting how he has disrespected stoner culture over the last few years since he entered the industry. Brendan Kennedy is not alone. There have been numerous companies that have been trying as hard as they can to throw the stoner culture under the bus in an attempt to change the marijuana consumer base from one that rarely wears suits to one that only wears suits. That strategy has backfired big time, as the overwhelming majority of marijuana consumers are like me, and don’t fit that description. We are here to stay, and if we feel disrespected, we aren’t going to support companies that obviously don’t like us or want our dollars. If you made a pile of all of the potential consumer dollars that would come from the ‘suit consumer’ and another pile of all of the potential dollars that would come from people like me, there would be no denying that the money pile from fans of stoner culture would be exponentially larger.

If new marijuana industry investors want to succeed in the long term in the marijuana industry, they will do a better job of embracing stoner culture and respecting it, instead of trying to distance themselves from it in a negative way. If a company doesn’t want to cater to stoners, and wants to rebrand marijuana, by all means do so. That sliver of the industry is all yours, and I wish you nothing but the best, assuming you do it in a respectful way. However, if you verbally attack traditional marijuana consumers, and try to make us out to be second class consumers, trust me, you will not make nearly as much money. You will continue to get called out in the media, and people will always question your motives even when you backtrack on your statements. In Brendan Kennedy’s defense, he says that he was wrong about his past comments. However, people will now always ask the question, ‘is this because you are sincere Mr. Kennedy, or are you only doing this because of a monetary motive?’

If marijuana investors were really smart, they would never disrespect any consumers, stoners or otherwise. By keeping everything respectful, they will not get bashed by long time advocates, will get more customers, and won’t lose market share to competitors that do a better job at respecting people. There is room in the industry for suits and stoners, we just need to remember to respect each other. I predict that companies will start hiring ‘stoner culture consultants.’ I have been approached by a few companies asking for advice in this area. These companies want to be good stewards of the marijuana industry and movement, and wish to avoid PR problems that are plaguing many large marijuana companies. If your company fits that description, feel free to send me an e-mail anytime. I’d love to talk and help you understand and navigate the marijuana world the right way.  Just realize that I don’t normally wear a suit!

How do readers feel about this issue? Do you feel that you have been disrespected by corporate interests that are new to the marijuana world? On the flip side, do you feel that this is all just blown out of proportion, and that it’s not a big deal? I look forward to reading your comments while I’m at work today.

 

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  117 Responses to “Respecting ‘Stoner Culture’ Will Pay Off For New Marijuana Investors”

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    What you speak of is step 2. Marijuana needs to be legal first. That is step 1. For that to occur, the votes of the masses need to be ensnared.
    The masses don’t get the “stoner culture” minority. They don’t understand it therefore they “fear” “lazy stoners” we all knew in high school. The ones who spent most of their time stoned rather than doing other things. That’s the picture they have right or wrong. “There is no truth, only perception” fits here.
    No matter what your, or anyone’s, intoxicant of choice may be, if you don’t present in a manner that the masses relate to as respectable you won’t win their confidence and thus their vote. That’s just how this society is, like it or not.
    The “stoner culture” is valuable, no question and they’re confidence is needed. However, if they don’t get a shade more serious about fitting in, even if temporarily for the sake of the movement, they will be left behind pissed off and bitter that the suits, who know how to play this game and play it well, have taken over and believe me they will.

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      Sad, but true.

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        I agree..it is sad but at least there is direction right?

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          not if I (part of the stoner culture that got us this far) can’t even have a conversation on (stoner proud) “weedblog” w/o being deleted for telling it like it is.

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            Kathleen, I’m afraid I know EXACTLY who you are, and for you to count yourself among the stoner culture that “got us this far” flies in the face of the self-righteous mission you were on to derail A64 in Colorado, back in 2012.

            Did you honestly believe no one would remember how you filed a legal objection to the wording of A64 and tried to have it taken off the ballot?

            By the way, unless Johnny works for the government, he cannot oppose your “free speech.” You see, your right to free speech, to be precise, means you cannot be jailed or penalized by the GOVERNMENT for saying what you want — so if Johnny deletes everything you post, your “free speech” has not been violated.

            For example, if my comment gets deleted because I call you some names, that’s not a violation of my “free speech” — that’s adherence to the ToS/EULA for Disqus. However, I feel as though my comment will make it through moderation because I can empirically support calling you a self-serving, two-faced opportunistic hypocrite — you opposed A64, and now, you’re trying to profit from it, claiming to be one of the people who “got us this far.” Had you gotten your way, we’d be 2 steps back.

            So maybe you should get down off your soap-box and leave Johnny alone, huh? People remember who you are. It’s Thanksgiving weekend, and right now, I’m thankful YOU did not get your way.

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            wow! I’m not afraid I don’t know “EXACTLY who you are” because you are afraid to post under a real name– only real activists have the balls to use their real name and stand behind what they say and do. I do wonder what nameless people still have against those of us who continue to fight for the right for all people to use cannabis for all uses. After all science shows us this is the safest therapeutic substance known to man. The almost 700 new pages of pot laws (prohibitions) that came with A64 ‘fake’ legalization sure are overkill and baseless.

            “Did you honestly believe no one would remember how you filed a legal objection to the wording of A64 and tried to have it taken off the ballot?”

            I’m not worried nor did I ever “believe no one would remember” who I was and where I stood/stand on A64 or A20 or prop 19. I’m proud of why and where I stand and not hiding, like yourself. Nor am I worried “no one would forget” I was the first person in the USA since prohibition to import hemp seed and process into hemp food in the USA (CO) that went on grocery store shelves back in 1992-93. Everything is recorded and even people like you who can’t even keep what I do straight cannot change FACTS.

            Let me enlighten you to my problems with A64, since you are misrepresenting A64, my position and why. They began at title board hearings where the legislative legal counsel was putting the ballot title (the tidbit you read on the ballot when you vote) on what was then Initiative 30. The proponents spent hours explaining how I 30 (A64) DID NOT LEGALIZE cannabis.

            It’s illegal under CO law to LIE to the voters when marketing a ballot initiative and when the SCAMpaign did so, yes, I proudly filed the only complaint. Looks like you are still suffering from believing the SCAMpaigns marketing of A64. You must remember how many times I have posted the link and transcripts to the original hearings–where the 64 SCAMpaign clarify they are not legalizing yet then market it to the voters as such. Funny you remember me but not the quotes from the LIARS I complained about…..but typical from a nameless person.

            6-15-11 2:02pm – Original Title Board Hearing for “Regulate Marijuana”

            Bill Hobbs-Deputy Sec of State
            Dan Dominico- Attorney Generals Office
            Jason Gelender- Senior Attorney Office of Legal Counsel
            Mason Tvert- A64 Proponent
            Steve Fox-Director of Public Relations Marijuana Policy Project, DC (on behalf of proponent Brian Vicente)
            Mr. Ramie-A64 /Proponents Attorney

            minute 50:55 seconds

            Mr. Ramie (A64 Attorney), “I think it would work if we deleted the word, starting on line 1, with legalization.”

            1 hour, 15 minutes, 46 seconds

            Mr. Fox (DC MPP/A64 co-author, on behalf of A64 proponent Brian Vicente), “Tomatoes are legal. You can buy them anywhere. Tomatoes have been legalized. But as you’ve seen with the medical marijuana system, it is a highly regulated (emphasis added) system by a regulatory agency and that is what we’re proposing. I appreciate that you prefer marijuana over legalization because legalization would be truly misleading as a part of the title.”

            1 hour, 18 minutes, 42 seconds

            Mason Tvert (A64), ” If the point here is to be accurate and to make this as accurate and objective as possible, it would seem that simply saying legalization, which could mean a broad variety of things, compared with regulation and personal use was more specific in our opinion.”

            1 hour, 21 minutes, 48 seconds

            Steve Fox (DC MPP/A64 co-author, on behalf of A64 proponent Brian Vicente), “I mean she made our point better than we have, which is legalization is not what this is. She said it clearly and they are going to propose an initiative regarding the legalization of marijuana. What we are doing is regulating marijuana. It’s a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization.”

            1 hour, 31 minutes, 28 seconds

            Mr. Hobbs (about adding “like alcohol” to the title) “I would be troubled by that…strictly speaking there are some deviations. It’s similar to alcohol but it is not the same.”

            “I agree with you that it may be misleading.” response from either Galenger or Dominco.

            1 hour, 37minutes, 15 seconds

            Mr. Hobbs “For me personally, when I was looking at this, I thought the most important thing, if I am interpreting the measure correctly, is that local governments can prohibit all of these things within their jurisdiction. Um. And I thought that was really a significant thing.”

            1 hour, 53 minutes, 40 seconds

            Mr. Ramie (A64 attorney), “It seemed important for us……and then employers may place restrictions on the use of marijuana by employee’s. ”

            1 hour, 56 minutes, 6 seconds

            Mr. Fox (DC MPP), “We, based on experience, know during the campaign, that there
            will be exaggerations about what our initiative will and won’t do on the driving side and the employer side and so on. And we wanted to have this language in there so that people know…… that employers still have the right to do things.” (FIRE YOU and you will get no UN-employment check from the state)

            2 hour, 3 minutes, 38 seconds

            Mr. Dominico, ” I just wanted to raise the fact that even if this passes, we’re not technically permitting a person 21 or older to consume or possess limited amounts of marijuana. We’re just saying the state won’t prosecute you.”

            2 hours, 6 minutes, 44 seconds

            Mr. Ramie, “We are requiring the implementation of a licensing facility, if you will, a process to get a license. We’re not requiring the granting of a license.”

            7-6-2011 Title Board Re-Hearing I30

            July 6, 2011 Rehearing

            minute 19, 58 seconds,

            Kathleen Chippi, “I think that saying to the average voter, the average citizen of the state that we are regulating it like alcohol is deceitful…. Mason has publicly announced that since we already have a medical marijuana program set up by the state and an enforcement division by the state that we would just use that medical marijuana model.”

            minute 23, 48 seconds

            Laura Kriho, “It’s a catch phrase and the proponents admit it’s a catch phrase. Where the confusion to the voters would come in is and it’s really hard to understand unless you’ve been through the whole medical marijuana thing where medical marijuana was sold to us as the state of Colorado as being legal, and that it was going to help patients and since the General Assembly has gotten a hold of it over the past 2 years, we’ve seen incredible restrictions and incredible laws that were never foreseen before because everybody thought , oh, this is liberalizing it, this is legalizing it. Well you heard the proponents here on June 15 arguing yourself that this is not liberalizing or legalizing it, this is restricting it. And anything other than that in the ballot title will be misleading to the voters.”

            minute 26, 26 seconds

            Mr. Ramie, “The last thing the proponents want to do ……is to do anything that would mislead anybody or have anything in the title that might arguably be misleading to any of the voters.”

            minute 29, 10 seconds

            Mr. Ramie, “If there is a concern “in a manner similar to alcohol”suggests it would be legal at all levels, a, we don’t want to have that concern out there…from our prospective, a, we would, it would be acceptable to us in all 8 of the titles to drop the words “in a manner similar to alcohol.”

            Oh and even the attorney for A64 admits we (grassroots activists) have brain activity.

            minute 32, 10 seconds

            Mr. Ramie (A64 attorney), “I’m hearing allot of objection and I can’t honestly say that the objections that I’m hearing are completely crazy or off the wall and I know Mr. Hobbs has heard me for many years that the objections are without merit, I really can’t say that for these…So lets take the phrase out. And if we want to present the message in campaigning, where we can do that, we’ll do it-but we absolutely do not want to have something floating around in the title that could either be characterized as a catch phrase and tilt the argument one way or the other in the official title or have anything in there that can mislead the voters.”

            Mr. Ramie, “Exactly, and if we’re suggesting “in a manner similar to alcohol”, if that phrase, and I see how it could, carry the suggestion that we’re now wholey legal on all levels, we don’t want to suggest that because we’re not.”

            Mr Hobbs, “And I agree with you, it’s a good faith argument that they have made here.”

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            Unfortunately for you and anyone who thinks pot is ‘legal’ in CO–the state of CO is currently arguing that BOTH A20 and A64 did not LEGALIZE at both STATE and federal levels to the Coloorado Supreme Court. If the court rules in agreement with the lower court rulings–no cannabis is ‘legal’ in CO.

            After 14 years with medical marijuana in the state Constitution, the Colorado Attorney General’s Office has finally clarified its position/interpretation on/of Section 14 (A20). The office that “oversees, represents and defends the legal interests of the people of the State of Colorado and its sovereignty” has come out against patient and caregiver “rights”and is upholding federal law over the state Constitution in the first and only medical marijuana case being heard by the Colorado Supreme Court.

            Brandon Coats, a paralyzed medical marijuana patient, was fired from his job at Dish Network after testing positive for THC on a random drug screening. Coats,through his attorney Michael Evans, argued that, his offduty use of medical marijuana was covered under the “Colorado Lawful Off-Duty Activities Statute” (CLODAS). Therefore Dish Network could not legally fire him.

            The Colorado Court of Appeals ruled that Coats’ use of medical marijuana is not covered by CLODAS, even though medical marijuana is protected in the state Constitution, because marijuana is illegal under federal law.

            Some of the (more offensive) language in the states amicus brief in Coats v. DISH Network for consideration in the Colorado Supreme Court:

            “Contrary to popular perception, Colorado has not simply legalized marijuana for medical and recreational purposes.Instead, its citizens have adopted narrowly drawn constitutional amendments that decriminalize small amounts of marijuana for patients with a debilitating medical condition, at issue in this case, or for recreational use by adults over the age of 21.” …

            “… invoking the language of “rights” would only lead to confusion as citizens and jurists alike may misunderstand both the nature of the right and the scrutiny associated with the right.”

            Apparently the AG believes“citizens and jurists” will be confused if the Colorado Supreme Court overturns the lower court ruling and confirms patients and caregivers have fundamental“rights”.

            “The State of Colorado contends there is no reason in this case to address the question of describing the medical use of marijuana as a “right” under the state constitution. Resolving this case does not
            require this Court to reach the question of what type of a right, if any,protects medical marijuana patients and caregivers. As a matter of statutory interpretation the undeniable and unambiguous illegality of marijuana under federal law answers the question in this case.”…

            “If the Court chooses to describe the use of marijuana as a “right,” however, the Court should act with caution…. To the extent any level of review is appropriate, it should be highly deferential as to capture
            the spirit of the voters who enacted a specific, criminal-law focused provision. Any other result would undermine the need for the executive branch and the General Assembly to regulate and legislate in this complicated and fluid policy arena.” …

            “If the People want to enact a broadly applicable “right’ to use marijuana as the dissent in Beinor declared,then a new amendment to the Colorado Constitution should be required.”

            Considering The Attorney Generals job is to represent/defend the people of Colorado and sovereignty, one has to wonder:

            1. How many “citizens and jurists” believe the state needs“a new amendment to the Colorado Constitution” in order to (really)legalize medical marijuana?

            2. How many agree that the Colorado Supreme Court “invoking the language of “rights” would only lead to confusion” for “citizens and jurists”?

            3. How many agree “….there is no reason in this case to address the question of describing the medical use of marijuana as a “right” under the state constitution.”

            4. How many agree the AG should be arguing for federal laws over the state constitution?

            5. Does the AG support the arrest of Governor Hickenlooper, the Board of Health, the General Assembly, the DoR and other local government employees?

            6. How many Coloradans feel like they are being represented and/or defended by the AG?

            7. And food for thought: If the AG believes MMJ patients don’t have “rights”, what is the AG’s position on A64?

            Fortunately the Patient and Caregiver Rights Litigation Project (PCRLP) had standing and the Supreme Court accepted our amicus brief in Coats v. Dish Network back on April 16th. The PCRLP argues on behalf of fundamental patient and caregiver rights and argues federal law does not
            trump state MMJ laws, specifically. The PCRLP believes the U.S. Congress never intended to ban medical marijuana when they listed marijuana in the federal CSA in 1970.

            State law trumps IF there is no federal law that addresses the issue. The feds are adamant that cannabis has no medical use, so the feds have no laws that address medical marijuana, specifically. Under the CSA itself, the feds have 1 year with a onetime only 6 month extension to PROVE to “we the people” that any substance put on Schedule meets ALL of the requirements of that schedule.

            Cannabis was put in Schedule I temporarily (while the feds did the research-the Shaffer Commission). When the Commission released its final report on marijuana in 1972, they found that marijuana was safe and recommended that it be decriminalized altogether. Nixon chose to ignore those
            findings and instead officially started the longest-running war in U.S. history, the War on Drugs.

            Andrew Reid, of Springer and Steinberg, Denver writes:“…although over 40 years have passed since it was first listed neither the United States Supreme Court, this Court, nor any other high court has as yet engaged in a proper and full Preemption Doctrine analysis to determine whether the Congress, the
            drafters of the federal CSA, ever intended to include state recognized medical uses of marijuana in the CSA’s Schedule I listing of marijuana, or whether the listing was intended to be limited to non-medical uses.”

            If the Supreme Court agrees with the lower courts and the state AG that no one has any “rights” because federal law trumps, Reid elaborates: “Given that the State of Colorado runs an established MMJ program, including licensing and taxing, its position in its amicus brief is outrageous. Its position is that the government of Colorado and the individual governmental officials are engaged in abetting violations of federal drug laws. The Colorado Attorney General is essentially subjecting all state officials who participate in the MMJ program to federal prosecution for violations of federal felony drug laws.”

            Reid contends that patients will be harmed if the Court of Appeals ruling in the Coats case “that federal CSA criminalization of marijuana covers the lawful use and possession of medical marijuana under state law” is allowed to stand. Reid maintains that dozens of “occupations, occupational licenses, permits (guns included),and state benefits” will be denied to thousands of legal medical marijuana patients because “their possession and consumption of their medication” would be considered illegal.

            I hope it’s not too hard to comprehend for a nameless person?

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            ” It’s Thanksgiving weekend, and right now, I’m thankful YOU did not get your way”

            You are thankful it isn’t MY way — so thankful pot isn’t legal for all people and all uses?

            I guess I understand why you refuse to use your birth name. I wouldn’t want people to know who I was either if I was gonna print prohibitionists supporting statements online.

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            wow! I’m not afraid I don’t know “EXACTLY who you are” because you are afraid to post under a real name– only real activists have the balls to use their real name and stand behind what they say and do. I do wonder what nameless people still have against those of us who continue to fight for the right for all people to use cannabis for all uses. After all science shows us this is the safest therapeutic substance known to man. The almost 700 new pages of pot laws (prohibitions) that came with A64
            ‘fake’ legalization sure are overkill and baseless.

            “Did you honestly believe no one would remember how you filed a legal objection to the wording of A64 and tried to have it taken off the ballot?”

            I’m not worried nor did I ever “believe no one would remember” who I was and where I stood/stand on A64 or A20 or prop 19. I’m proud of why and where I stand and not hiding, like yourself. Nor am I
            worried “no one would forget” I was the first person in the USA since prohibition to import hemp seed and process into hemp food in the USA (CO) that went on grocery store shelves back in 1992-93. Everything is recorded and even people like you who can’t even keep what I do straight cannot change FACTS.

            Let me enlighten you to my problems with A64, since you are misrepresenting A64, my position and why. They began at title board hearings where the legislative legal counsel was putting the ballot title (the tidbit you read on the ballot when you vote) on what was then Initiative 30. The proponents spent hours explaining how I 30 (A64) DID NOT LEGALIZE cannabis.

            It’s illegal under CO law to LIE to the voters when marketing a ballot initiative and when the SCAMpaign did so, yes, I proudly filed the only complaint. Looks like you are still suffering from believing the SCAMpaigns marketing of A64. You must remember how many times I have posted the link and transcripts to the original hearings–where the 64 SCAMpaign clarify they are not legalizing yet then market it to the voters as such. Funny you remember me but not the qoutes from the LIARS I complained about…..but typical from a nameless person.

            6-15-11 2:02pm – Original Title Board Hearing for
            “Regulate Marijuana”
            Bill Hobbs-Deputy Sec of State
            Dan Dominico- Attorney Generals Office
            Jason Gelender- Senior Attorney Office of Legal Counsel
            Mason Tvert- A64 Proponent
            Steve Fox-Director of Public Relations Marijuana Policy Project, DC (on behalf
            of proponent Brian Vicente)
            Mr. Ramie-A64 /Proponents Attorney

            minute 50:55 seconds

            Mr. Ramie (A64 Attorney), “I think it would work if we deleted the word, starting on line 1, with legalization.”

            1 hour, 15 minutes, 46 seconds

            Mr. Fox (DC MPP/A64 co-author, on behalf of A64 proponent Brian Vicente), “Tomatoes are legal. You can buy them anywhere. Tomatoes have been legalized. But as you’ve seen with the medical marijuana system, it is a highly regulated (emphasis added) system by a regulatory agency and that is what we’re proposing. I appreciate that you prefer marijuana over legalization because legalization would be truly misleading as a part of the title.”

            1 hour, 18 minutes, 42 seconds

            Mason Tvert (A64), ” If the point here is to be accurate and to make this as accurate and objective as possible, it would seem that simply saying legalization, which could mean a broad variety of
            things, compared with regulation and personal use was more specific in our opinion.”

            1 hour, 21 minutes, 48 seconds

            Steve Fox (DC MPP/A64 co-author, on behalf of A64 proponent Brian Vicente), “I mean she made our point better than we have, which is legalization is not what this is. She said it clearly and they are
            going to propose an initiative regarding the legalization of marijuana. What we are doing is regulating marijuana. It’s a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization.”

            1 hour, 31 minutes, 28 seconds

            Mr. Hobbs (about adding “like alcohol” to the title) “I would be troubled by that…strictly speaking there are some deviations. It’s similar to alcohol but it is not the same.”

            “I agree with you that it may be misleading.” response from either Galenger or Dominco.

            1 hour, 37minutes, 15 seconds

            Mr. Hobbs “For me personally, when I was looking at this, I thought the most important thing, if I am interpreting the measure correctly, is that local governments can prohibit all of these things
            within their jurisdiction. Um. And I thought that was really a significant thing.”

            1 hour, 53 minutes, 40 seconds

            Mr. Ramie (A64 attorney), “It seemed important for us……and then employers may place restrictions on the use of marijuana by employee’s. ”

            1 hour, 56 minutes, 6 seconds

            Mr. Fox (DC MPP), “We, based on experience, know during the campaign, that there will be exaggerations about what our initiative will and won’t do on the driving side and the employer side and so on. And we wanted to have this language in there so that people know…… that employers still have the right to do things.” (FIRE YOU and you will get no UN-employment check from the state)

            2 hour, 3 minutes, 38 seconds

            Mr. Dominico, ” I just wanted to raise the fact that even if this passes, we’re not technically permitting a person 21 or older to consume or possess limited amounts of marijuana. We’re just saying the state won’t prosecute you.”

            2 hours, 6 minutes, 44 seconds

            Mr. Ramie, “We are requiring the implementation of a licensing facility, if you will, a process to get a
            license. We’re not requiring the granting of a license.”

            7-6-2011 Title Board Re-Hearing I30

            July 6, 2011 Rehearing

            minute 19, 58 seconds,

            Kathleen Chippi, “I think that saying to the average voter, the average citizen of the state that we are regulating it like alcohol is deceitful…. Mason has publicly announced that since we already have a medical marijuana program set up by the state and an enforcement division by the state that we would just use that medical marijuana model.”

            minute 23, 48 seconds

            Laura Kriho, “It’s a catch phrase and the proponents admit it’s a catch phrase. Where the confusion to the voters would come in is and it’s really hard to understand unless you’ve been through the
            whole medical marijuana thing where medical marijuana was sold to us as the state of Colorado as being legal, and that it was going to help patients and since the General Assembly has gotten a hold of it over the past 2 years, we’ve seen incredible restrictions and incredible laws that were never foreseen before because everybody thought , oh, this is liberalizing it, this is legalizing it. Well you heard the proponents here on June 15 arguing yourself that this is not liberalizing or legalizing it, this is restricting it. And anything other than that in the ballot title will be misleading to the voters.”

            minute 26, 26 seconds

            Mr. Ramie, “The last thing the proponents want to do ……is to do anything that would mislead anybody or have anything in the title that might arguably be misleading to any of the voters.”

            minute 29, 10 seconds

            Mr. Ramie, “If there is a concern “in a manner similar to alcohol”suggests it would be legal at all levels, a, we don’t want to have that concern out there…from our prospective, a, we would, it would be acceptable to us in all 8 of the titles to drop the words “in a manner similar to alcohol.”

            oh and the A64 Attorney clarifies we have brains and the Dept Sec of State agree’s. :

            minute 32, 10 seconds

            Mr. Ramie (A64 attorney), “I’m hearing allot of objection and I can’t honestly say that the objections that I’m hearing are completely crazy or off the wall and I know Mr. Hobbs has heard me for many
            years that the objections are without merit, I really can’t say that for these…So lets take the phrase out. And if we want to present the message in campaigning, where we can do that, we’ll do it-but we absolutely do not want to have something floating around in the title that could either be characterized
            as a catch phrase and tilt the argument one way or the other in the official title or have anything in there that can mislead the voters.”

            Mr. Ramie, “Exactly, and if we’re suggesting”in a manner similar to alcohol”, if that phrase, and I see how it could, carry the suggestion that we’re now wholey legal on all levels, we don’t want to suggest that because we’re not.”

            Mr Hobbs, “And I agree with you, it’s a good faith argument that they have made here.”

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            Pfft — four poignant passages from me, and your “balls” get twisted up just fine, don’t they? LOL. I don’t need the pitch, sister. I’m not some foolish investor who has never heard of you, before. Not even going to read *ANY* of the garbage you’re trying to defend yourself with, either. Nor will I justify posting anonymously to the poster child for self-aggrandizement. However, I will strongly encourage you to take an extended vacation from your ego — it’ll do wonders for your reputation. Of course, changing your name, losing 120 lbs, and shoving your own face into a waffle iron would *also* improve your reputation.

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            LOL…Glad to know my existence causes you such a struggle, boy. not your ‘sister’ and no ‘brother’ I know thinks personal attacks a ‘successful’ or adult response. Your comments/response are that of a child. Boo hoo… Waaa ‘I’m not gonna read your post’ Waaa LOL. But you did because your quoting my ‘balls’ comment. Too hard for you to respond to actual facts instead of personal attacks.

            Lashing out at others over qualities you possess is called “projection”. No idea what your talking about with investors when I haven’t looked for one since my hemp company in the 1990’s–hopefully before you were born (with your low level of communication ‘skills’) but who cares when the ‘name calling’ mentality is your bar. therapy MIGHT help you ease out of the ‘childhood’ rut you are in but sounds like it won’t go away.

            Steve Fox (DC MPP/A64 co-author, on behalf of A64 proponent Brian Vicente), “I mean she made our point better than we have, which is legalization is not what this is. She said it clearly and they are going to propose an initiative regarding the legalization of marijuana. What we are doing is regulating marijuana. It’s a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization.”

            your support for A64 is not support of legalization when the author, attorney and proponents put on record = “I mean she made our point better than we have, which is legalization is not what this is…..What we are doing is regulating marijuana. It’s a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization.”

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            LOL. Just to cover the order of events, you suggested I had no “balls” for posting anonymously (and that you do), so I thought it was Ok to point out how much the rest of your body offsets the size of your “balls.” I was perfectly happy just pointing out all the terrible things you’ve done until then. That’s why you missed the righteous indignation note you were trying for, Kathleen. The indignation was there, but not the righteousness. *so close*

            Fact is, everyone knows (and agrees) about what you did. You’re a fraud — a self-appointed D-list cannabis activist, at best. That’s why you *don’t* post anonymously, Kathleen. You enjoy the pageantry of activism almost as much as Russ Bellville, my other least-favorite self-aggrandizing showboat. You two should get together and have egotistical little babies.

            Just so you know, I’m the most loquacious person on the planet, and I’ve never hit the text limit on a comment, before. Of the four mini-novellas you sent me, I read about a third of the first one before I realized there were three more. If you had a point to make, it would have happened in the first 1000 words, and I can’t begin to tell you how little I care about YOUR life story, Kathleen. There’s just something about the way you crave publicity and demand adulation that saps all my patience away.

            Wait, I know why I have so little patience for you — it’s because you were perfectly happy to let people in Colorado go without legalization for another 2-4 years. But not exactly, as that merely implies you didn’t vote for A64. What you did was so much worse. You *actively* tried to have it taken off the ballot. Nothing you ever say or do will ever change that fact, Kathleen.

            With activists like you, who needs Kevin Sabet? Your name is mud, now and forever. Get used to it. You made your choices, now live with the consequences of your actions.

            Perhaps you should Google yourself a few more times before you haughtily demand special treatment from another blog. Maybe you’ll figure out why other activists can’t stand you. Here are a couple hints: it’s not because they’re jealous of your celebrity, and October 15, 2012 is a date of particular interest. Just be sure you have some ice to put on that swollen ego of yours, first. Or is that just a nasty reaction to a bee sting? Either way, we can’t have that thing get any bigger. People in Tokyo are worried it’ll destroy their city.

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            “Fact is, everyone knows (and agrees) about what you did. You’re a fraud.” “You *actively* tried to have it taken off the ballot. Nothing you ever say or do will ever change that fact, Kathleen.” … ” Your name is mud, now and forever. Get used to it. You made your choices, now live with the consequences of your actions.”

            LOL… and those “consequences”: are anonymous people like you telling me off in blogs? Better check the ego “projection” cause you know “everyone”, “everyone knows” and you “all agree” and apparently they sent you to ‘declare’ Kathleen sucks in a blog….. LOL Geezus….If it hasn’t been clear to you in 23 years that I do not care who hates me — I do not care who hates me….and your obsession with me and your knowledgeable position on my ego should help you to understand all your childish personal attacks have little effect…lol ( my ego only brought up over a one sentence post were I said I was part of the “cannabis culture” and is the basis for all your hateful Kathleen comments thus far)

            You are arguing with yourself—your ego perhaps?—I’m not trying to change that fact (or any facts) that I filed complaint when A64 promised voters they were “legalizing”, “ending prohibition” and it would be “like alcohol” none of which turns out to be true. I’m proud of it because according to the co-author of A64 Steve Fox (MPP) A64 did not ‘legalize’ pot for anyone.

            “Steve Fox (DC MPP/A64 co-auther), “I mean she made our point better than we have, which is legalization is not what this is. She said it clearly and they are going to propose an initiative regarding the legalization of marijuana. What we are doing is regulating marijuana. It’s a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization.”

            (and whether you understand it or not everyone is in harms way legally because, like you, they think it’s ‘legal’ when the courts have said it’s not 5 times now. People are losing jobs, child custody, guns rights, occupational licenses, housing, banking, gov aid, college loans, freedom and being denied organ transplants over the non legal status of pot)

            My long comments are not about myself (like your obsession is) but transcripts straight from the mouth of the A64 prime author– who is himself an attorney. Perhaps you should take the time to read.

            Maybe you’ll see why your posts like:

            “Wait, I know why I have so little patience for you — it’s because you were perfectly happy to let people in Colorado go without legalization for another 2-4 years.”

            make no sense to people who do read the transcripts, attend the hearings and file/follow court proceedings and hear: “…legalization is not what this is….. It’s a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization.” A64 author Steve Fox, A64 title board hearings.

            AG’s Coats brief: ““Contrary to popular perception, Colorado has not simply legalized marijuana for medical and recreational purposes.” …

            And I will be here until cannabis is legal for ALL people for ALL uses and according to the court we in CO and everywhere are far from that. I’m not sure what you have against people like me who continue to work on legalizing for everyone for all uses but I hope you get over your prohibitionist stand.

            If the Supreme Court rules in agreement with the Appeals Court ruling in Coats that cannabis (no matter medical or A64) is still ILLEGAL– A20 and A64 will be nothing more than a successful data gathering opportunity for law enforcement at both state and federal levels. Everyone ever on the CDPHE MMJ registry and anyone who ever shopped in a A64 store incriminated themselves as it has all been tracked/recorded for the last 4 years.

            I didn’t see your brief in Coats to help fix that “legality” problem (for A64) because you had no standing to have a brief. Only the PCRLP had standing because we are the only ones in the state who ever filed a preemptive (before people get busted) lawsuit on cannabis rights and state rights. I guess the Supreme Court justices don’t think I am a “fraud”. Just annoymous 64 supporters who haven’t been busted with DUI or lost their jobs, kids, freedom etc. yet.

            If the Supreme Court overturns the Appeals Court ruling and declares cannabis a ‘right’ and ‘legal’–it will ONLU be because of Kimberlie Ryan’s brief and my brief. I will not expect a thank you from you. But there will be about 3 people who would be responsible for getting the bad appeals court rulings overturned and pot to be declared ‘legal’ or a ‘right’ and that would be Kimberlie Ryan, my attorney, Andrew Reid and myself and then the donations of 20 people to help pay for the PCRLP brief after the fact.

            You bash Russ Belville– yet you are so alike: Neither can discuss facts in rational manner (probably due to stunted childhood development), neither understand A64 or what “legalization” is (probably due to lack of reading comprehension skills), and you both can’t control your hate for me–(testosterone or ego problems)…… I hope you at least know not to narc out passengers in your car when you get pulled over like Russ did.

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            Oh Kathleen — if I saw you in person, I’d also be as rude as the law allows. And the answer is yes, yes you DO have to take abuse from the people you stabbed in the back. Live with your actions, Kathleen. Trying to take A64 off the ballot will be with you for the rest of your life — like all those jelly donuts.

            But don’t let my open and unmitigated disdain for your very being discourage you — you keep on trying to make a semantic argument that legalization isn’t legalization and keep on trying to con people into believing THAT’s why you tried to take A64 off the ballot. Meanwhile, you can continue to demand special treatment from the lowly bloggers because you “got us this far.” Can you not smell the fantastic hypocrisy wafting off of that contradiction in terms? Everyone else can!
            Waaaaaa — read the transcript — WAAAAAAA!!! Legalization isn’t legalization WAAAAAA!!!!
            Such a broken record. But at least while I have you engaged here, you’re not trying to sabotage legalization anywhere else. Nor are you trying your BS semantic argument anywhere else, either.
            Still enjoying the pageantry of activism, Kathleen? I guess you don’t have many options, in that regard. I can’t think of an actual pageant that would have you. Or any self-respecting activism group, for that matter. I guess tagging dams in the Pacific Northwest would be too physically demanding.
            Which really brings me to why this is so amusing. You, like most, keep fishing for details about who/what I am just because I give you so little to attack — but the fact is, I’m very VERY careful not to do that. You don’t know if I’m old, young, black, white, tall, short, man, or woman. All you know is that I don’t like you and WHY, which gives you zero room to operate comfortably. A public “personality” like Russ who craves attention as much as you do is such an easier target — like you said, short, bald, etc. Lots of shallow details for you to use to excuse *his* open disdain for you. It’s easy for you to dismiss Rutabaga Russ because he’s a funny little man.
            Me, however — not knowing who I am — I could be the next person to interview you. I could be the next person you need to accomplish some goal. I could be anybody. That uncertainty is what unnerves you, most. You don’t know how valuable my opinion is or how much I share it. Next time someone publicly chastizes you for your selfish attempt to remove A64 from the ballot, you’re going to wonder if THAT was me, or if that was simply someone who knows me.
            We are legion, Kathleen. We are many. And we don’t like you.
            But I’m sure you’ve got a barrage of compensation techniques to help you lumber through difficult situations, like being confronted by a person who doesn’t buy your tripe, who is not shy about sharing their contempt for your selfish actions… I’m assuming those techniques involve a lot of that “not actually legal” cannabis and a box of jelly donuts. It’s just sugar, not love — or validation.
            I wonder if you force a cop to read this transcript you’re so proud of, if you can convince him to arrest you for possession. Probably not, but I think you should give it a shot, Kathleen. And don’t take no for an answer!!! Not even if the cop runs — you chase him down and FORCE that cop to arrest you because cannabis is not legal. LOLOL

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            “Trying to take A64 off the ballot will be with you for the rest of your life”

            Geezus: So you don’t sound so foolish (like Russ Belville) when you ‘relay’ your hate for my A64 complaint in the future maybe I should point out you have inaccurately accused/credited me of trying to remove A64 from the ballot. NO ONE can remove an initiative from ballot status, period. So you sound like an idiot to people who are educated when you say this. And you yourself are giving me ‘power’, ‘control’ and ‘credit’ that makes me sound like I am ‘special’ — but only to your fellow idiots. Otherwise you reveal yourself as a buffoon talking out your a**.

            So you don’t sound so dumb next time feel free to quote me:

            My complaint was based on the criminal act of lying to the voters by the proponents–which is illegal. Had it had been successful, there would have been a cease and desist order for the SCAMpaign to stop lying to the voters (so no more “legalize” or “legalization” or “like alcohol” or “end prohibition” or “prevents 10,000 arrests” false promises when marketing–because they were/are all untrue) in their marketing and the proponents (Mason and Brian) could have done up to a year in prison and been
            fined (I think it was up to 1,000). They would have had to be honest with voters and forced to call it what it is “decriminalized possession of small amounts” that prevents ZERO jail-able offenses and added a horrible offense.

            ya know what A64 brought CO? for the first time in the states history–giving cannabis to an adult minor (18-20) or a minor (under 18) turned into a class 1 felony (yes, equal to murder) and has a fine of $100,000 that goes with your jail time.

            Ya know what giving alcohol to a minor in CO gets you? a misdemeanor ticket of $250 that doubles every time you get busted for it but stays a misdemeanor. no jail time.

            But I’m sure your still so proud of your support for “legalization like alcohol”…… LOL…..

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            “You, like most, keep fishing for details about who/what I am just because I give you so little to attack — but the fact is, I’m very VERY careful not to do that. You don’t know if I’m old, young, black, white, tall, short, man, or woman.”

            You really are in LALA land– No one, especially me, cares who you are and there is not one “fishing” comment from anyone let alone me in the thousands of ‘mini novels’ I have posted. Sure sounds like your ego problem—You WISH I (and apparently others), were spending time caring who you are because you think you are ‘special’…..

            “All you know is that I don’t like you and WHY, ….”

            Except that your “WHY” is inaccurate as I point out earlier. No one can get an initiative pulled from ballot. And I’ve said–I do not care who hates me.

            “which gives you zero room to operate comfortably.” My god, that ego of yours again. “Zero room to operate” what? I think my posts here with you show I have no problem “operating” and I even had time to work on my next lawsuit. You can read about it in the coming weeks news…..lol

            “I give you so little to attack”

            Because there is so little left? with “little” being the key word here–little brain activity to even understand how foolish you look to anyone who reads this thread. Your embarrassing yourself. Your main objective to tell people I tried to have 64 removed from the ballot is inaccurate as it’s impossible under CO law. I don’t need to know or care who you are, your sex, color or creed as I only “attack” inaccurate statements. Peoples ‘looks’ mean nothing to me. You’re the one who feels the need to personally “attack” people. Was it too hard to take issue with my recorded history of cannabis activism when you googled my name that your only resort is personal attacks?

            Back here in reality -I don’t care if you think you are jesus christ or someone with a ‘real ass kissing, sell out’ problem like Teri Robnett, lol or Mason Tvert or Brian Vicente or Allen St Pierre or Steve Fox or any of the lobbyists or self proclaimed ‘reform’ groups NORML, MPP, DPA, ASA, NCIA…..I could care less because I don’t care who hates me.

            “like you said, short, bald, etc… It’s easy for you to dismiss Rutabaga Russ because he’s a funny little man”

            Except I did not say this–I do not childishly attack peoples looks, which is all you seem to have in your “plastic tool box” of a brain– I address facts and brain activity or lack there of when people think they know something and they clearly don’t or they are completely wrong and it has been proven in transcripts or from record or law but they repeat the same nonsense even after being corrected/educated–you know like the definition of insanity?

            “Me, however, not knowing who I am….” LMFAO!

            “….. I could be the next person to interview you.”

            LOL…could be (probably not, but I’ll humor you)…….And what? LOL… Are you expecting me to kiss your ass in your ‘interview’ or speak truth in your ‘interview’? lol is the ‘threat’ here you misquoting me in your ‘interview’? Is that supposed to frighten me? And you said you ALL agree, I’m “a self-appointed D-list cannabis activist” so why would you expect anyone interview me “next”?

            “I could be the next person you need to accomplish some goal.”

            No goal I have requires ass kissing egotistical carpet bagging cannabis prostitutes or compromising what legalization is or compromising fellow citizens or back room deals/secrecy. Your lack of ‘assistance’ has not stopped me in 23 years.

            “I could be anybody.” In your head, I imagine you can.

            “That uncertainty is what unnerves you, most.”

            LMFAO “unnerves me most”? Check your ego problems boy, cause you haven’t “unnerved me” at ALL—let alone “most”. It’s so inaccurate, so childish and so egotistical—and it’s flashing me back to the same type of psycho conversation/comments and ego/temper/hate tantrum Greg Duran had with me months ago….. lol

            “You don’t know how valuable my opinion is”

            God damn is your EGO nauseating and it sure sounds like you and Greg suffer equally. lol And you clearly still don’t understand what projection is—so let me help you: “Psychological projection is a
            theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.”

            “Next time someone publicly chastizes you for your selfish attempt to remove A64 from the ballot, you’re going to wonder if THAT was me, or if that was simply someone who knows me.”

            LOL jesus I haven’t laughed so much reading anything in a blog for months–no, wanna be almighty ego freak, I’m not going to “wonder” anything. I will think the same thing I did yesterday and 2 years ago and 4 years ago and that would be: what a shame it is we have so many ignorant people present in our state and the government sure has done a good job dumbing down society.

            “We are legion, Kathleen. We are many. And we don’t like you.” LOL

            Since no one except you is commenting in your misguided “attack” on me over the last 5 days– you should have “your legion of many” read this entire thread that starts with you attacking me- not edited or misrepresented like you and others have. After all they need to understand your true ‘progress’ at publicly “chastising” me over a complaint you don’t understand so when they see me they can be on your mangled page. If you’re like Greg, you will heavily redact/edit my posts to suit your goal, which would be to make me out to be a bitch so you can get a your ego stroked with a showering of back rubs, sympathy and agreement Kathleen is crazy from middle aged woman who have equal intelligence as you. It seemed to make him feel better.

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            Wow! THREE novellas, this time. You do realize typing doesn’t count as exercise, right? Especially considering all the donuts you’ve been wolfing down. Just think about that, Kathleen. I took maybe 10 minutes to write you *one* comment and it cut you so deep, you had to fire back as much as you possibly could produce, hoping that something/anything will actually stick.

            Too bad for you I’m not reading them. LOL Which means there’s one more person reading my comments (you) than there are reading yours (nobody). Ha! I have noticed that you enjoy cutting and pasting every individual sentence I’ve written, however. Letting me know how much every few words upset you, individually — well, let’s just say nobody has been *THIS* foolish in a very, very long time. That’s probably what’s making your replies so massive.

            Speaking of massive things, how’s your….. EGO? LOL Could’ve gone the obvious route there, but I like to keep things fresh.

            What’s funny is that nobody *has* to read your comments, Kathleen. People can tell how unnerved and wacko you are simply by looking at how frequent and enormous they’ve been. Hmm. Maybe you should have that put on a T-shirt: “Frequent and Enormous.” You wearing that shirt, walking down the street, would be poetry in motion.

            Although what I discussed in that little segue *does* tell me something else. I’ve been very successful punishing you. Just for fun, let’s cut and paste a random paragraph from one of your comments and discuss how crazy it makes you sound:

            “Since no one except you is commenting in your misguided “attack” on me over the last 5 days– you should have “your legion of many” read this entire thread that starts with you attacking me- not edited or misrepresented like you and others have. After all they need to understand your true ‘progress’ at publicly “chastising” me over a complaint you don’t understand so when they see me they can be on your mangled page. If you’re like Greg, you will heavily redact/edit my posts to suit your goal, which would be to make me out to be a bitch so you can get a your ego stroked with a showering of back rubs, sympathy and agreement Kathleen is crazy from middle aged woman who have equal intelligence as you. It seemed to make him feel better.”

            Yep, it’s definitely the cutting and pasting adding to the mass. The mass of your comments, that is — the jelly donuts are responsible for your *other* issues with mass.

            First of all, we’ve already covered who is reading this (just you) — the Legion are all the people who tell you what a selfish, egomaniacal hypocrite you’ve been. And yes, there have been others. Your reaction tells me how many times this has happened to you. In fact, I think the first time I ever saw your name, you were being chased off a Huffington Post article with torches and pitchforks. Being chased like a freakish monster isn’t new territory for you, is it, Kathleen? LOLOL I can list a few of the usernames I can recall, if you need to know who else thinks you’re the pond scum of cannabis activism.

            When I read about you trying to have A64 taken off the ballot, that was the 2nd time your name had crossed my screen. You’ve been cannabis activism’s least favorite media-moll for much longer than a couple years. Probably because nobody with functioning eyeballs wants you to be the face of cannabis law reform. Prohibition would drag on for decades simply for aesthetic reasons.

            Also, I don’t know who Greg is, and I have no power to redact or edit your posts. Nor would I — you do a fine job making yourself out to be crazy without any help from me. Honestly, just looking at the broken grammar in your last sentence makes me cringe. Nope, you don’t need any help from me or Greg in that regard. You advertise your crazy better than anyone else could, Kathleen. Again, just look at the SIZE of your… …comments.

            But enough about how successfully you’ve been unhinged, let’s get back on topic.

            I’m tempted to go hunting through your replies to see if you’ve tried getting arrested, yet. That’s the point you’ve been running away from (ha, as if you run) this whole time — you say legalization isn’t legalization, but you’re still enjoying the protections of that “fake” legalization, aren’t you? I bet you’ve even participated in the LEGAL market. That’s why I made the joke about you trying to get arrested for possession — I wanted to make it clear to you that nobody buys your BS argument because, despite all your hemming and hawing, you are reaping the benefits of A64. Every joint you smoke is packed with hypocrisy.

            In closing, I’d like to point out how well this has been working. I write something, you read it, you write something, I don’t read it, then I write something back, rinse, repeat. What’s more, you will keep doing it. Even after I *specifically* point this out to you, you will keep doing it. Why? Because your pride won’t let you stop. Your raging ego is the most obvious thing about you, Kathleen, and I’ve been playing off it for five days, using it to punish you for your selfish hypocrisy. Sucks being predictable, huh? I’d try phrasing a witty a ‘puppet’ metaphor, but the only one that comes to mind involves Jabba The Hutt.

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            “When I read about you trying to have A64 taken off the ballot,…”

            Again, since you do not read and so you don’t sound so foolish (like Russ Belville) when you ‘relay’ your hate for my A64 complaint in the future: you have inaccurately accused me of trying to remove A64 from the ballot. NO ONE can remove an initiative from ballot status, period. So you sound like an idiot to people who are educated when you say this. I’m sure ignorant people love your misinterpretation of the law…but so you don’t sound so dumb next time for intelligent people, feel free to quote me:

            My complaint was based on the criminal act of lying to the voters by the proponents–which is illegal. Had it had been successful, there would have been a cease and desist order for the SCAMpaign to stop lying to the voters (something you seem okay with) so no more “legalize” or “legalization” or “like alcohol” or “end prohibition” or “prevents 10,000 arrests” false promises when marketing–because they were/are all untrue. The proponents (Mason and Brian) could have done up to a year in prison and been fined (I think it was up to 1,000). They would have had to be honest with voters and forced to call it what it is “decriminalized possession of small amounts” that prevents ZERO jail-able offenses from Title 18–the criminal code.

            Yes, I copy and pasted my comments in 3 minutes….And I kept it short so people who rode the short bus to school have an easier time digesting it.

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            Nah, you kept it short because I brought up too many uncomfortable subjects — having to address them in earnest probably would have been too much for your delicate self-esteem to handle. You keep insisting Colorado doesn’t have legalization, and yet you live there and enjoy the protections of “fake” legalization — H Y P O C R I S Y.

            Go ahead and go get arrested, Kathleen. Go get busted, go to prison, and I promise I’ll apologize for saying legalization was faked. But ya, that’s not going to happen… Legalization is real. If it isn’t, go get yourself arrested.

            You see, I remember why you were against A64, long before the October complaint. Your “complaint” was simply contrived to sooth your wounded pride, nothing more.

            You may want to pretend like your complaint was about something legitimate, but to those of us who remember you from *prior* to October 2012, we recall how you were bent on getting your own, personal version of “legalization” on the ballot, but everyone shot you down. What was it, A70-something, right? You were laughed out of every serious discussion of legalization as barking lunatic, and rightly so. On one particular HP thread, the only person who was in your corner was a confessed dealer who feared his “market” would cease to exist — which was the point of legalization. Your biscuits got burnt by the legalization movement *months* prior to the 2012 election, so the way you’re trying to rewrite history is more than just a little bit disengenuous. Nobody buys it!

            Your October “complaint” was nothing more than a vindictive act of spite, not some noble gesture on behalf of justice. You were just butt-hurt your version of the bill was shot down as a joke, and given the size of that butt, the hurt must’ve been just as BIG. That’s why you wanted to put Mason & Brian in jail. Lo and behold, an oversensitive attention-craver was rightly shouted down, and months later, just a few weeks shy of the election, she files a legal complaint against campaign language used ubiquitously for well over a year, prior. Years later, she has a *contrived* version of events that makes her smell like roses! What a shock! I can’t imagine why nobody buys a word of it.

            Such a pity the internet remembers EVERYTHING. LOLOL

            Honestly, Kathleen, cannabis probably would have been legalizaed years ago if it weren’t for so-called “activists” like yourself fighting over the credit — selfish, narcissistic losers who can’t keep their egos inflated any *other* way. Nobody wants to see them naked, so they have to tell themselves they’re an “activist” to justify getting out of bed (without jogging).

            In your case, you needed to see your name at the top of the legalization amendment to pump up your self-image. It’s possible that, had someone simply bought you a gym membership in the 90s, Colorado could have legalized by 2008 without your self-serving agenda dragging the movement down. When I think of all the progress that could have happened, had the Colorado campaign seen less of you (in every sense *less* of you), it makes me appreciate all the hard work done by the REAL activists who had the good sense to ignore you when ignoring you mattered most.

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            Oh and so you don’t sound so foolish (like Russ Belville) when you ‘relay’ your hate for my A64 complaint in the future maybe I should point out you have inaccurately accused me of trying to remove A64 from the ballot. NO ONE can remove an initiative from ballot status, period. So you sound like an idiot to people who are educated when you say this. And you yourself are giving me ‘power’, ‘control’ and ‘credit’ that makes me sound like I am ‘special’ — but only to your fellow idiots. Otherwise you reveal yourself as a buffoon talking out your a**. So you don’t sound so dumb next time feel free to quote me:

            My complaint was based on the criminal act of lying to the voters by the proponents–which is illegal. Had it had been successful, there would have been a cease and desist order for the SCAMpaign to stop lying to the voters (so no more “legalize” or “legalization” or “like alcohol” or “end prohibition” or “prevents 10,000 arrests” false promises when marketing–because they were/are all untrue) in their marketing and the proponents (Mason and Brian) could have done up to a year in prison and been fined (I think it was up to 1,000). They would have had to be honest with voters and forced to call it what it is “decriminalized possession of small amounts” that prevents ZERO jailable offences from Title 18–the criminal code.

            ya know what A64 brought CO? for the first time in the states history–giving cannabis to an adult minor (18-20) or a minor (under 18) turned into a class 1 felony (yes, equal to murder) and has a fine of $100,000 that goes with your jail time.

            Ya know what giving alcohol to a minor in CO gets you? a misdemeanor ticket of $250 that doubles every time you get busted for it but stays a misdemeanor. no jail time.

            But I’m sure your still so proud of your support for “legalization like alcohol”…… LOL…..

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          Hey, Johnny, why do you delete most of my posts? You ask for our
          opinions and then you decide IF our opinions should be public? I did
          not cuss or use foul language. Apparently I cannot use NORML or any
          other supposedly pro reform group as an example. Sad–because a true
          stoner (not a sell out or a ‘suit’) believes in free speech all the
          time, not just when in agreement

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            I’m sorry your comments were waiting to be approved. We don’t censor comments and are both huge supporters of NORML. This blog is ran by only ran by two people, both of which were away from our computers when you posted your comments.

            To avoid spam (which has been an issue here), comments are automatically held for moderation until we get to a computer to approve them if 1) somebody flags the comment 2) you repeatedly comment in a short period of time 3) you post a link 4) you use inappropriate, abusive or “spammy” language.

            Sorry for the inconvenience.

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            Thank you. I appreciate knowing the rules and thank you for your work on this blog and givbing people the opportunity to discuss issues that need discussion.

            But since you mentioned you are huge supporters of NORML now I have to ask, what does that mean? I mean what specifically does NORML do that you support? As an activist we should all learn how to garner such support. And I ask this because I am honestly trying to understand what “supporting NORML” means for years. Do you buy their merchandise? Does it mean you send them money? And if so, to do what with the money? ex. print NORML t-shirts? Does it mean you attend their events/conferences?

            or like:

            Do you support the 5 nano limit for DUI’s national NORML brought to CO Democrats that took 3 years and 6 times to pass but is now the law of the land here?

            Please be honest.

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            I’m not trying to make the story about us. That’s not why we started this. If it helps, we are both members and have attended conferences. We don’t have a lot of money so donating isn’t in the cards.

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            Also, I don’t agree with everything anyone does, that’s just how life works. It doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate all the work they have done. Gotta look at the big picture, that’s my two cents.

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          No, left. LOL..I couldn’t resist! You are absolutely correct!

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      “The masses don’t get the “stoner culture” minority.”

      IMO, the ‘stoner culture’ is the largest culture on the planet. I have allot more to say but I will not.

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        Well if that’s true, they’re all underground. In my circles, no one admits to use and I can only imagine others are that way as well. It also depends on what you’re definition of the stoner culture is..anyone who gets high or just those who are in the “stoner lifestyle”? My thought is someone in the stoner lifestyle, so to speak, is the culture the author intended. What are your thoughts?

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          No one should admit to using UNTIL cannabis is legal- so you do not lose your: job, occupational license, guns, child custody, housing, banking, gov. aid, freedom etc….–Cannabis is not even ‘legal’ in CO at a state level–at least that is what the state is arguing in Coats v. Dish Network–a MMJ case the state decided to include A64 pot into it’s arguments with medical.

          The only reason people do not ‘come out’ as users is because it can still cost them their lives as they know it.

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            This is why it should go legal from the tribes because it already is enabled through the religious rights act back in the 70’s in think specific to peyote but inclusive of all nations tribal practices and that include the individual private family medicinal practices like sweat lodge and Cannabis IS used in sweat lodge and many other medicinal spiritual practices held secret because of this very same legal issue.

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        What do you think stoner culture is, Kathleen? I’m curious about this mass of humanity that is eluding me.

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          “-er 1. a suffix used in forming nouns designating persons from the object of their occupation or labor ( hatter; tiler; tinner; moonshiner), or from their place of origin or abode ( Icelander; southerner; villager), or designating either persons or things from some special characteristic or circumstance”.

          “some special characteristic” would be the people who enjoy the “stone”. I think anyone who chooses to smoke cannabis because it makes them feel better is part of the ‘stoner’ culture. So anyone who got stoned, enjoyed it and did or will do it again…(IMO) No matter in color, age, sex, hair, clothing (appearance), religion or what country they live in. It includes almost 1 million new people who get ‘busted’ in the US every year and probation violators just like it includes doctors, lawyers, farmers, laborers, housewives, cops, ex/presidents, military, school teachers, artists and college kids.

          So then what is culture? “6. Anthropology. the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.”

          Cannabis was recorded as being used at least 8,000 years ago and basically until this ‘little 77 year hiccup’, all of it’s possible/uses were passed down and implemented from generation to generation. It was the first known crop cultivated by man and “stoner” cannabis was found in the oldest tombs.

          And I believe that it’s human nature (we are programed) to use mind altering/enhancing substances, just like children like to spin until they fall down and just like people enjoy sugar and caffeine. The cannabis culture is really human nature we have criminalized.

          And you have to admit ‘stoners’ have done an awesome job (worldwide) keeping the tree of life alive and available with a 40-77 year complete prohibition and hundreds of billions spent trying to kill it.

          Being an activist I wear the leaf allot (and get called a stoner allot) but not because I sit at home and watch TV and accomplish nothing –I always wear it to stimulate conversation about the tree of life. Have you worn the leaf? IMO it is the ‘other’ international peace sign…..No matter where I am in the world (minus law enforcement) “we the people” respond kindly to each other when we see the the leaf–and ‘we’ are everywhere. The ‘illegal smiles’ are everywhere.

          And as for the cops I see when I wear the leaf–I more often than not go up to them and educate them to cannabis facts/drug war facts. So they get a ‘dose’ of who A ‘stoner’ is and I make sure they won’t forget me or what I tell them. Even just one juicy fact.

          So now you see why I didn’t elaborate above.

          What do you think a “stoner” is?

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            I admit to have fallen prey to stereotyping, and for ease of conversation I have described someone as a “stoner” when they appear to be a person of the silent bob and jay ilk. Or someone who has obviously smoked too much, for good or bad. It’s easy to use the term when people know exactly what you mean. But I’m a stoner, and like your description a lot better. It’s much more inclusive.

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            I understand. When people first called me a ‘stoner’ decades ago I questioned why I felt insulted–but in reality people who have THC (and all the cannabinoids) lubricating their brains and flowing in their blood are stoners, me included no matter I’m wearing a Bob Marley T-shirt or dressed to the nines sitting in the courtroom/health dept/general assembly fighting for cannabis freedom for all people and all uses.

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            wonderful!

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            My idea of a stoner is very different from what you describe. IMO the “stoner culture”, and I use the term with no negative connotation attached to it, doesn’t include the irregular or light user of cannabis for recreational or medical purposes. To me, there is a difference between those who embrace/live marijuana from the occasional person who gets high on the weekends or evening who isn’t in the subset of our society. That’s who I’m referring to. Thanks for elaborating. I appreciate it. :-)

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            I put my interpretation (below) in an earlier location. This location right here appears to be more appropriate so I’m pulling and copy/paste move here:
            ————-

            You have touched upon (maybe by mistake) an analogous scenario regarding what the term, “stoner” means and whether it has a possible adverse effect in the overall cannabis industry. And seeing that the article subject matter revolves around this term, I think that this is an appropriate place to bring up the analogy.

            Having everyone that uses cannabis, whether it be for medicinal or recreational reasons covered under the umbrella term of “stoner”, is analogous to everyone who consumes alcohol being covered under the umbrella term, “drunkard” or “boozer”.

            I think as time goes on and the momentum of the cannabis movement moves forward, there will be a distinction between a “user” and a “stoner” — and rightfully so. In my mind, and I would think that some will identify with what I am saying here is that a user is one who uses, (maybe daily) as where a stoner is one who is constantly under the influence of cannabis.

            Of course, this is just my impression, and it will vary from one person to another based on the frequency with which one uses to apply the label of “user” vs. “stoner”. I don’t associate the two terms with anything around clothing, choice of music, employment status, career choice, etc. I see it as a function of frequency-of-use only.

            Comments?

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            you should think more and write less

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            Talk about writing less. You have Tolstoy beat ! You think that your diatribe is fact to all. Your own people probably have outcast you as being a nutcase.

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            HEY DO YOU FIND YOURSELF ARGUING WITH A DRUNK OFTEN? just stop drinking and smoke more pot you will find clarity eventually if you smoke enough.

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            I see it as you do but would add that it is also a culture of dress, music and values as well as all other things that serve to identify a group socially. For me there is a distinct difference between between a culture and casual behavior.

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            yep Puff puff pass yep thats got it she did a great job bringing all the folks in now lets learn from history before the SUITS fuck up all this great weed

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      I believe we are in agreement, Rob My diatribe is not to claim ownership it is to point out that the Kickapoo people were accepted into the public domain as Kickapoo Indian Medicine Doctors before prohibition and at the onset of prohibition this medicine went invisible to the public forbidden and prosecuted vigorously the tribe was characterized as drunkards and lazy sloth like vagrants, the ditches of EMO were viewed as open pit sewers unsanitary and a public hazard. the apothecaries were burned to the ground and the doctors were railed out of existence with public humiliation and violence.

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    I’m afraid asking business men to act morally is like asking cinder blocks to act buoyant. Almost without exception, the “suits” will always do whatever it is they must to make more money. When cannabis is fully legalized, the suits will cater overwhelmingly to whoever brings in the most business. It will most likely be classic stoner culture that makes up the vast majority of the legal market share, so the suits *will* embrace stoner culture — just not for any moral reasons. Their motive will be profit.

    A “moral action” to them is tax-deductible, if that puts things into perspective.

    There will be rebranding efforts to attract smaller, niche markets for first-timers and other low-key cannabis consumers who feel too “square” to brazenly stroll into a shop clad in Marley posters and tie dye. Sadly, I count myself among them. I only bring my patronage to the local head shop if I need something, specifically. I go in, I buy what I need, and I leave quickly because, to be perfectly frank, I don’t fit in there — I can feel their anxiety, which makes me anxious in turn.

    I fully expect what Johnny says to come to pass. The suits will recognize where most of the business is, and they’ll hire consultants to help them rope in as much of the market as possible. It’ll be contrived, sterile, and insincere (as if they read the Idiot’s Guide to Stoner Stereotypes), but it is inevitable. They want our money, not our respect. Ultimately, however, I feel as though the “Real McCoy” cannabis businesses run by honest-to-goodness members of the culture will succeed where the contrived-by-suits approximations will fail. They’ll fail for the same reason Euro-Disney failed — the people there have seen ACTUAL castles, so they were nonplussed by a fake one.

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    Good points all the way around. I’ve made the same observation and part of the “perception” is media that runs the usual young ‘stoner’ photo. Perception would shift with photos of, say, Morgan Freeman or Richard Branson as typical “stoners”. Our sub-culture will never quite fit in with suits nor will it vanish under legalization.

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    I looked in San Francisco, Berkeley, Portland, and Seattle, and never saw a stoner culture, THE culture. I did hear it, though. I think stoner culture is what you listen to and play. I began with The Beatles’ Sargent Pepper.

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    Too bad most people (not just ‘stoners’) do not educate themselves to where they should and should not spend their money. Even NORML said they “threw in the green flag” about 4-5 months ago and will no longer working on ‘legalization’ (promoting the ‘stoner culture’ was their only thing) but now working on “consumer convenience”…………They are embracing the over regulation of the safest therapeutic substance known to man in CO instead of fighting it.

    Rob Saxe is correct in his post–until it’s ‘legal’– and here in CO the state of CO is currently arguing to the Colorado Supreme Court that both MMJ and MJ are still very illegal at both state and federal levels.

    Is it ‘convenient’ for consumers to incriminate themselves inside the pot shops because that is what is happening UNTIL cannabis is ‘legal’.

    The CO stores are REQUIRED to be able to identify (through facial recognition video cameras and the ‘seed to sale’ tracking) that apparently includes them calculating how much people use per day? Where do you think the DoR got it’s ‘data’ for their July 9 ‘report? How did they announce that 22% of CO cannabis consumers are heavy users, using 1.6 some grams per day? Because your ID is now your marijuana tracking card (If you shop in MJ specific storefront) Because that is what is currently happening.

    It sure looks like the “convenience’ is on behalf of the gov and law enforcement and being implemented by people who –for money– claim to be ‘serving’ ‘stoners’.

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      I’m curious about your statement regarding the State of Colorado and their Colorado Supreme Court case. Are you referring to the Brandon Coats case, where his employer Dish Network fired him for testing positive? I think it’s ridiculous, of course, but Amendment 64 specifically says any employer has that right. We should fix the law, that’s for sure.

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        I am talking about Coats v. Dish Network. Oral arguments were Sept 30th and the court can rule at any time. Lexisnexis was guessing they rule in early 2015. A64 does make firing an employee over a hot THC test lawful but A20 did not.

        The big question the High Court had agreed to answer was ‘is cannabis use (away from work) lawful in CO’. In order to decide that the Justices need to establish what “lawful” means. Normally “lawful” means lawful under ALL local, state and federal laws. The Appeals Court ruled against Coats saying cannabis use (in general not just for medicine) was still ILLEGAL under federal law — so no use of cannabis was “lawful” in CO and Dish lawfully fired Coats and the state does not write Coats an un-employment check. Coats was lawfully fired by Dish for his ILLEGAL drug use away from work.

        Unfortunately the Coats attorney conceded that A20 did NOT legalize MMJ 14 years ago or grant patients rights or trump federal law– (remember this is his appeal and (IMO) he should not be conceding
        anything to the high court, especially the things they expected him to
        argue in this case)-

        –instead he argued that Mr. Coats “lawfully” used cannabis under a “unique state statute” that does not allow employers to fire employee’s over things they do away from work. His attorney (and the Dish Attorney) both asked the High Court to rule in an extreamly limited scope (Coats attorney kept saying ‘only for people who are “like Mr. Coats”‘)–so I took that to mean the court should only address quadriplegics who have phone or desk jobs and red cards? ….and whose attorneys believe they have no rights and that A20 did not legalize….

        Anyway, the state added an amicus brief in Coats. The state brings A64 into this case arguing that A64 also did not legalize pot for people in CO.

        Quote from the state brief:

        The second sentence: “Contrary to popular perception, Colorado has not simply legalized marijuana for medical and recreational purposes.Instead, its citizens have adopted narrowly drawn constitutional amendments that decriminalize small amounts of marijuana for patients with a debilitating medical condition, at issue in this case, or for recreational use by adults over the age of 21.” …

        “… invoking the language of “rights” would only lead to confusion as citizens and jurists alike may misunderstand both the nature of the right and the scrutiny associated with the right.”

        Apparently the AG believes“citizens and jurists” will be confused if the Colorado Supreme Court overturns the lower court ruling and confirms patients and caregivers have fundamental “rights”.

        “The State of Colorado contends there is no reason in this case to address the question of describing the medical use of marijuana as a “right” under the state constitution. Resolving this case does not require this Court to reach the question of what type of a right, if any, protects medical marijuana patients and caregivers. As a matter of statutory interpretation the undeniable and unambiguous illegality of marijuana under federal law answers the question in this case.”…

        “If the Court chooses to describe the use of marijuana as a “right,” however, the Court should act with caution…. To the extent any level of review is appropriate, it should be highly deferential as to capture the spirit of the voters who enacted a specific, criminal-law focused provision. Any other result would undermine the need for the executive branch and the General Assembly to regulate and legislate in this complicated and fluid policy arena.” …

        I love this ^ one because this one proves that IF the High Court were to rule marijuana as “lawful”/”right” the AG is clearly admitting the government will have wasted all this time and money trying to regulate something they do not get to regulate. Most of their 700 pages of new pot laws would be unconstitutional and null and void…..

        “If the People want to enact a broadly applicable “right’ to use marijuana as the dissent in Beinor declared,then a new amendment to the Colorado Constitution should be required.”

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          The Patient and Caregiver Rights Litigation Project (PCRLP) has your back. We have one of 2 briefs that argue patients have rights and legalized at a state level and the only brief that argues that federal law does not trump marijuana specific state laws..

          QUESTION: Does the Colorado Constitution create a constitutional (fundamental) right to medical marijuana?

          Patient Caregivers Litigation Rights Project: YES
          Colorado Employment Lawyers Association: YES

          Brandon Coats: NO
          Dish Network: NO
          State of Colorado: NO
          Colorado Civil Justice League: NO
          Colorado Mining Association: NO
          Colorado Defense Lawyers Association: COURT SHOULDN’T DECIDE – POLITICAL MATTER
          FOR COLORADO GENERAL ASSEMBLY–BASICALLY ARGUES AGAINST MARIJUANA USERS

          QUESTION:
          Is the possession and use of medical marijuana under Colorado’s program
          a violation of federal law (preemption issue)?

          Patient Caregivers Litigation Rights Project: NO
          Colorado Employment Lawyers Association: NO – UNSETTLED

          Brandon Coats: DIDN’T REACH ISSUE
          Dish Network: YES
          State of Colorado: YES
          Colorado Civil Justice League: YES
          Colorado Mining Association: YES
          Colorado Defense Lawyers Association: DOESN’T ADDRESS THIS ISSUE

          What will be affected by this ruling?

          1. Gun rights by cannabis users
          2. Occupational licenses (70% of all Colorado workers have one and they require compliance with federal drug laws)
          3. Child abuse or neglect over MMJ in the house/car etc.
          4. Insurance
          5. Housing
          6. Any gov. aid (student loans, housing, medical, food etc)
          7. Un-employment checks from the state
          8. Freedom of jail/criminal charges
          9. Employment
          10. If you qualify for organ transplant

          11. The ability/extent to which the state can regulate access/use to mmj
          (example unscientific DUI, caregivers, plant counts etc.)

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      absolutely-when u shop at these stores with these ‘capitalists’ you are in essence standing in line to get ur ‘star’.

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        repealing the laws against drugs would be better than legalization for so many reasons-the biggest being they never had the right to outlaw what we consume anyway-drug laws are unconstitutional. we could then sue those who harm us with their drugs. how long could a meth lab last at that rate? as it stands if someone adulterates the drugs you buy you have no recourse-they will not arrest the dealer, usually-but they will arrest you. the state is the only winner- by taking from both the dealer and the one harmed by the dealer.

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    I don’t like being placed into any demographic, no matter what. That said, and in retrospect, I was part of the “stoner” culture in the late sixties and seventies. In the eighties, after having a couple of kids, I didn’t appear to be a stoner any more because the Reagan era really hit us hard, and the fact that your kids could both get you busted through their DARE programs AND be taken away from you was a very scary and realistic scenario. Yes, the tye-dye hippies prevailed, but they never mainstreamed and were a small minority for quite a while. That left the rest of us deserters of the culture – a huge demographic, to puff up at home and look mainstream in public. But we are still here, and we have money to spend. We are prey of the suits.

    The culture has branched out, spread out and morphed slowly over the years, but there is no reason to expect that legalization isn’t going to put culture change into overdrive. The rapidly expanding cannabis markets presents many branches and will birth all sorts of marketing strategies, good and bad. Some will fail and some will take off like a wildfire. I’m not sure suits are trying to force the entire culture themselves as Johnny suggests, or even that they are trying to create a new “no-stoner culture”. I think they are trying to seem more legit for potential investors, many of whom are people with no desire to affiliate with “stoners” because of their own twisted morals and misguided sense of right and wrong. Not always but often enough, these are the people with the disposable income to throw at investing in the next new, latest and greatest trends of society that will bring them the returns they want.

    While you Johnny, are proud to be part of the cannabis culture, I can’t imagine at this time in my life wanting to be put into any demographic box, stoner, medhead or anything else other than maybe gramma. I was a lot like you when I was 33, but life happens. While I don’t see you ever mainstreaming as I did, I bet you will change some ways of thinking in your life, and I wish I could be alive to see you when you’re fast approaching sixty. It would be fun. Change is inevitable.

    That said, anyone who blasts stoners, and then turns around to make a buck off of me is going to loose my business, and I hope you, Johnny, will continue to be vigilant and bring these names and companies to us. I like having something to boycott while I listen to the Grateful Dead, watch the Walking Dead, or just while I light up a bowl.

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      sorry I may seem to have offended a few folks
      but your the only one that got the point a history lesson from just before and just after prohibition
      JUST LIKE NOW a change in history when historic corporate decisions get exposed to public view

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    Hey, Johnny, why do you delete most of my posts? You ask for our opinions and then you decide IF our opinions should be public? I did not cuss or use foul language. Apparently I cannot use NORML or any other supposedly pro reform group as an example. Sad–because a true stoner (not a sell out or a ‘suit’) believes in free speech all the time, not just when in agreement. .

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      I’m sorry your comments were waiting to be approved. We don’t censor comments and are both huge supporters of NORML. This blog is ran by only ran by two people, both of which were away from our computers when you posted your comments.

      To avoid spam (which has been an issue here), comments are automatically held for moderation until we get to a computer to approve them if 1) somebody flags the comment 2) you repeatedly comment in a short period of time 3) you post a link 4) you use inappropriate, abusive or “spammy” language.

      Sorry for the inconvenience.

      P.S. Johnny has nothing to do with approving comments

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      Making a lot of assumptions there, Kathleen. We can say fuck, and we can say norml, and we can even say fuck norml. This blog doesn’t block that stuff. Are you new to the WeedBlog? If so, welcome to a free speech zone!

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        Yup, thanks for pointing this out:) We really don’t support censorship and want to inspire debate.

        We have a list of words that spammers use and it can cause legit, good comments to be “Held For Moderation” which means they are hidden until I get to a computer. I would rather do that then have any more stupid spammers trying to scam readers under the guise of selling weed. The spammers have been for the most part squashed but they still try, sometimes hundreds of times/day. Crazy!

        Thanks again. I really do like the community that has developed here.

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          hey smoker how could we get a discussion about the historic county laws in each of our states compare voices some of my family cannot risk speaking out it could cost them the farm so to speak.
          maybe get folks to recognize why tribal ownership of this medicine is important to them and to the aboriginal folks that developed allot of the old school organic methods that could be used by each and every household safely and free from petrochemicals and alcohol in any form not even ethanol. if folks supported the idea of tribal authorship Tribal reserve all over the country could produce medicine with federal supplemental income and reduce the costs of medicine to the public re-enact the tribal tax stamps that were evoke during the 1930’s prohibition and let the tribes grow and make medicine again

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    Too bad most people (not just ‘stoners’) do not educate themselves to where they should and should not spend their money. Even NORML said they “threw in the green flag” about 4-5 months ago and will no longer working on ‘legalization’ (promoting the ‘stoner culture’ was their only thing) but now working on “consumer convenience”…………They are embracing the over
    regulation of the safest therapeutic substance known to man in CO instead of fighting it.

    Rob Saxe is correct in his post–until it’s ‘legal’– and here in CO the state of CO is currently arguing to the Colorado Supreme Court that both MMJ and MJ are still very illegal at both state and federal levels.

    Is it ‘convenient’ for consumers to incriminate themselves inside the pot shops because that is what is happening UNTIL cannabis is ‘legal’. The CO stores are REQUIRED to be able to identify (through facial recognition video cameras and the ‘seed to sale’ tracking) that includes them calculating how much people use per day? Where do you think the DoR got it’s
    ‘data’ for their July 9 ‘report? How did they announce that 22% of CO cannabis consumers are heavey users, using 1.6
    some grams per day? Because your ID is now your marijuan tracking card (If you shop in MJ specific storefront) Because
    that is what is currently happening.

    It sure looks like the “convenience’ is on behalf ofthe gov and law enforcement and being implemented by people who –for money–claim to be ‘serving’ ‘stoners’.

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    KICKAPOO INDIAN MEDICINE COMPANY 1893 -20XX eugene oregon my family heritage is being stolen.

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    most of you taday don’t have parents or grand parents that lived during prohibition or lets alone the start of the movement to enact prohibition ………………..Mine were a very big part of the beginning of prohibition………………the story I was taught about Kickapoo Indian Medicine is a FACT it happened on the Kickapoo reservation before the Kickapoo had a constitution in place to guard against legal assault and theft.
    you don’t need me to tell you the story just do a Google search for images look at the advertisements from the period before prohibition look at the newspaper article of the age and begin to understand The “agents” bigelow and heigly? were exploiting the medicine made by the Kickapoo medicine men exploiting an already established medical service provided by the tribe for anyone in the imediate area.
    Francis Micreeni Quashmah Goslin was one of these Kickapoo Medicine men and in 1929 when men came and burned down his home and Apothacary tarred and featherd him tied him to a rail and set him afloat in the missouri river there was no trial no document just good old christian folks doing what they thought best. there were aproximately 30 families from the Kickapoo reservation these “DOCTORs” were asked to share the medicine of our people with the non- tribal families throughout the midwest.
    IMPOSTERS>>>>> manufactured the medicine from petrochemical solvents and poisoned enough people to cause a rage against the only commonly known source.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<I know form experience what my grand father and gradn mother use to reduce the cannabis all of the methods are in fact simple kitchen processes but they do not use HEAT at all. and that is all I am gonna tell you about the process because I know most of the corporation have it all wrong . when the Kickapoo Nation is ready to legALIZE THE MEDICINE ON THE RESERVATION i WILL BRING OUT THE OLD METHODS AND SHARE WITH THOSE TRIBAL MEMBERS WILLING TO PRACTICE AGAIN. WE DON'T TRUST THE us GOVERNMENT TO KEEP IT'S WORD … TIL IT IS LEGAL EVERYWHER i SUPPOSE ……i AM PUSHING A MOVEMENT ON THE REZ AND IT HAS A LARGE FOLLOWING OF VERY LONG TIME PRACTICIONERS BUT FEDERAL LAWS ARE LIKE SOCKS CHANGED DAILY ESPECIALLY WHEN WET WITH BLOOD.

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      manufactured the meds from petrol and poisoned us and worse-poisoned our world! when all those meds should and could be ‘manufactured’ from the chem compounds, or the arrangement thereof, (heterocyclics), of cannabis rather than petrol. much safer…BUT a small minority or class couldn’t get rich from it, unlike petrol. hence we got petrol meds instead of cannabis meds! it is all about keeping the same class in the lifestyle they are accustomed to-ha! indigenous folk KNOW stuff that make the rich folk look stupid! except that in the game of mammon they are PROS and we, and especially the indigenous, look like the stupid ones-know what i mean? my husbands’ uncle was deeply involved in perpetrating this FRAUD on the american people-floyd anderson.

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        floyd anderson graduated college in 1939 and as an organic chemist began working on ways to synthesize organic compounds. note-1939 was the same year, businessmen convinced congress that cannabis/marijuana was dangerous and would lead to the breakdown of society, ie: ‘white women would sleep with black men and listen to jazz’. great lies were told to convince them. while pappa bush, director of CIA, was declaring war on drugs, anderson, became Chief Biological Coordinator, Special Projects Division, for the DEA, DOD, from 1973-1978. he worked to develop products that could be substituted for cannabis/hemp products and therefor patentable. while at the Bureau of Medicine, Division of New Drugs, FDA, he was in the position to approve them. as Drug Control Specialist at the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, he was making policy, and controlling the competition to these new synthetics-cannabis/hemp. then, as Chief Chemical Biological Coordinator for the DEA, he was positioned to try and eradicate this competition.

        the use of paraquat was something mr. anderson was involved with, too-ended up harming his own nephew! mr. anderson, in later years, became quite paranoid, believing, for instance, that the cia had somehow put transistor radio receivers in his dental work.

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    GET ON BOARD FOR A PUSH TO MAKE THIS MEDICINE LEGAL nation wide SUPPORT THE RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ORIGINAL FAMILIES RECIPES FOR Kickapoo Indian medicine company …… WHY THIS VENUS BECAUSE THE kickapoo HAVE BEEN LEGAL TO USE SINCE BEFORE PROHIBITION AND AFTER OUR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES PRESCRIBE THE USE OF THE MEDICINE DAILY .
    THE TURMOIL OF INTERNAL MORAL OBLIGATION TO THE “christian way” cause severe alcoholism on the reservation and has still to this day………….the GOV locked us up beat our children kidnapped them and placed them in private schools to KILL THE INDIAN inside these innocent children . yes this was a part of the DRUG WAR….. the war to capitalize ….MURDER EVERY FUCKING BUFFALO because it will kill the Indians way of life. capitolize, every possible commodity available like the greedy political machine it still is today………

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    your readers will probably ignore looking at the historical images found on the internet … ignore the obvious plot and simply steal this age old remedy from the families that found it’s method to begin with here on this continent and when A PEOPLE the Kickapoo nation were found to influential to control the commercialization of the medicine combine it into the bad alcohol scar that everyone was going blind and madd destroying there health. we knew different and we still know and we still have our recipes……..I am a no longer silent member of a secret society the WhiteBear Medicine society founded 1957 @ Mary’s peak Willamette valley Oregon Indian folks mostly or folks that enjoy the Indian heritage of environmental husbandry. it’s not so much a secret any more except when you get close to states that are very strict with law enforcement like KANSAS then people don’t speak in public about nothing period.
    but you see I don’t live there all the time and I am old enough I will go to jail and keep my mouth shut so I travel across and between I am a recognized Kickapoo Elder; one of many First Elders for the WhiteBear Medicine Society …… we walk among you like the Where-cats we are.

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      Actually from a historical perspective, mj came to North America via the colonists as industrial hemp. Its origins go back to Asia not north America. I could find no historical reference to a connection between native Americans and mj prior to the mid 19th century. Mj was supposedly brought to Mexico by the Spanish in the mid 16th century so as far as mj bring an ancient American Indian medicine… There isn’t any proof of that I was able to find quickly. I’m open to being incorrect with sources. :-)

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        you wont find any educated information however the documents produced by the original Kickapoo Indian Medicine company date back to 1893 and even older the Kickapoo people were found using this plant to make rope and fabric along with reeds gathered as far south as the panama now lets see your official public library has news papers with bolstering publications from the era.
        exploiting the fine fabrics and wondrous cures from the tribal family recipes of cannabis extracts.
        you did not look very hard a simple Google image search will produce a dozen historical leads to pockets of artifacts from the era which describe how to use and prepare the home remedies using the Kickapoo Bear Balm extracts “found immensely successful for 5 years” by one New York Paper>? before paper money ,prohibition, and the FDA or Pharmacopoeia,

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          Actually, after I wrote my initial reply to you, I got interested and looked harder. Crickets…
          Perhaps they did use it but not prior to 1611 when the colonists brought it here. The earliest possible time they could have used mj would have been 1545 if a member of the Kickapoo Tribe was standing on the shore to meet the Spaniards who had cannabis seeds. I doubt seriously that happened so it was probably, at best the late 17th century when the La Salle expedition ran into some Kickapoo Indians in the midwest, where they are from, before anyone on the west coast even saw cannabis.
          So because it resides in the folklore of the Kickapoo Tribe and nowhere else, everywhere else has to be wrong right? How much credibility must you lose?? Geez…

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            credibility? for directing your search for more information to a more recent exposure ……….your right what difference doe a few decades make …………..

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            it is true like birds with seeds in the shit this plant is a very invasive vegetable and will grow everywhere around the world Knowing where you find it first in history is not important unless your just looking at the genome of the plant as far a historical use look at the public newspapers of the time just before Prohibition here in the UnitedStates of America who was publicly making and using the medicine as a medicine and textiles were what the Kickapoo People made why is it so difficult for you to give up ownership of the land and property including intellectual property for which factual written evidence is produced and you want to take it farther into obscurity. if you confine your knowledge to what is practical and reasonable chain of discovery not bird shit found in some cave under the ocean. think news papers not land formations or sea encrustations.

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            Okay specifically Cannabis as medicine specifically labled and sold in a public market here on this continent under the United States Laws we don’t need to go back to the bible because you have already proven my point…….Laws Change and so does intellectual ownership by the destruction of written literature old ideas become new found technical wonders. I welcome you to smoke plenty and know your medicine personally before you ingest a poison made specifically just for you by your friends.

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        one more thing I would like to read where you found evidence of the colonist from England bringing hemp as rope to this continent because from what I have read the Europeans didn’t know how to make rope until they came here.

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          Seriously?? Great Britain had one of the best Navy’s in the world before the colonists even arrived here. They would not have been able sail here without rope. Vikings and the Romans had been making rope for a century or more before 1611 when the colonists introduced hemp to North America and the Spaniards did so in 1545. This information is widely available with a simple google search of “the history of marijuana in north america” or just simply “marijuana history”. Marijuana, based on what I’m reading, had never been an ancient North American Indian medical remedy. Peyote? Yes but marijuana no.

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            book or at least a library reference would be nice…. read Kickapoo Lords of the border…. there are several specific references to the collection of reeds along the Now named gulf of mexico this alone is not enough reference to cannabis however if you examine the textile floor coverings of the Kickapoo lodges you will find cannabis fibers as well as wolves hair.But you know you may come to your own conclusions just like everyone else support your idea of truth and justice be a good European anthropologist and support the crowns grasp on the planet. just like BP didn’t mean to kill the environment in the gulf…. it was not an act of war …. or was it?and the rope of the B’s navy was not made of hemp in fact the rope of this continent made by the Kickapoo families were very valued commodities although the British navy never bought anything from the Kickapoo people why would they not simply take and re manufacture the rope as their own. yea travel the world and steal everything you see on your way. mmm call it God’s domain and name yourself a servant of the crown second only to god…..what shit that is we know already okay?

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            what you mean to say is the colonist began growing hemp here in 1545 and who showed the colonist the starving crippled colonist what was good to grow CONVERSATION between people from the European and the aboriginals will show that people were learning from each other …..now if you use this as a guide to practical influence………the Kickapoo regardless of where they learned to make textiles including rope and string and wax and candles and fire were the first on this continent to use and produce fabric as well as medicine from this specific plant in a commercial way. hence intellectual property. which is why the federal government has a patent on the production of Cannabis extracts and not the Kickapoo Nation.

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            when you search do you look for Marijuana? or for rope or for Kickapoo Indian medicine or just European knowledge which is written for you in your own language. provided by the theology of the crown intended to force domination across the planet.I am not asking you to fabricate anything just look at the volume of non-related newspapers articles from the era of prohibition. say 100 years that should be enough say 1800 to 2000 here on this continent please not europe. now in the year 1800 who was in world domination …. no one country……and vast lands of people were roaming free of political ownership or ideals of ownership.
            looking for interesting images of newspaper publications will show the popular commodities being produced and sold in public market….. public commerce…..what is now refereed to as public domain. according to Admiralty Law which define the PUBLIC DOMAIN as the deck of a ship the rule about public domain is that once a commodity has been produce in public commerce without patent that commodity becomes public domain available for general use without title.
            this dialogue is not intended to claim ownership of the medicine…. it is intended to show that history which caused so much trauma will repeat itself again and by exposing the lies about this vegetable we may be able to insulate our future against political take over of the HOME GROWN ABILITY TO MANUFACTURE OUR OWN MEDICINE. keep it legal and make it very inexpensive …. every garden should include the plant just like planting a lawn and about as popular.

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            wow you mean if my grand father did not write it down in your history book published by barnes and noble or westinghouse ……you cant find the information you need to prove to you what MY grandfather showed me how to do as a child and the scars from the burns and the dead children or perhaps the brain dead children who and where 1611
            what is your evidence to prove European was the first anything on the continent you are arguing with the stone in the mountain and you are the idiot. I am only sharing a family historical legend. I suppose you will attempt to say the kickapoo only lived in the Midwest and so only could have known about Midwest plant which they studied about and learned how to cultivate from the Europeans as well. TYpical theology of that ignorant race of people asserting power and commerce dominance and destruction upon the world. There is your legacy white man except it and move on. My families did not kill all the buffALO NOR STRIP THE SOIL OF TIMBER CAUSE THE DUST BOWL POLLUTE THE RIVERS AND STREAM WITH FERTILIZER KILL THE FISH POISON THE AIR WHEN YOUR LUNGS ARE CHAFFED AND CRUSTY i WILL TELL YOU WHY YOUR RICK SIMPSON OIL IS POISON AND MAYBE THEN i WILL SHARE THE FAMILY METHOD WITH YOU.

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        i agree with you folks had rope everywhere but the rope of this continent from the aboriginal here was sought after because of it’s durability and strength. it is not the discovery or the knowledge ….. when we as humans step back and look ……….who decided to pick up the first stone and place it upon the next is not important the ones that collected it together and said hey wanna buy my rope? or hey wanna Buy my medicine? this is what you should look for. that is what I am specifically pointing out
        this medicine is organic at it’s best. and when synthesized will loose some very special properties commercialization is already being fabricated, and already people are noticing the difference………..this is what I am attempting to show folks that organic means ORGANIC with all the bugs and juice from the soil no salt no synthetic chemical fertilizers the method is important just as important as the milk in your tea governor’ LOL simply because you sail around collecting sample does not mean you discovered anything it means you went out exploring and learned something from your environment including the other people that live here contrary to popular belief Europeans are not servants of God attempting to save the world. push your language and religion and all the rest of your self important crap on the world because ” you think you know better” like admiralty law.
        but America was a great country to live in a few decades ago, I’d go back to where I came from but you see I am already there.

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        you mean from a literary point of view don’t you because your books had to be printed and anthropologist only look at the dead and found dead not the living and organic…… your historical science is flawed with self serving creations from people like Colin’s a photographer that toured the east coast and staged photographs of Native people in supposed EARLY dress and method in the attempt to capitalize on his photography methods, not preserve history. my point is if one did it all did it…… no prejudice ……try looking for reason and understanding by looking at what is left behind………newspapers……reams of newspaper not science no body looking for the missing rib in the newspaper…. and it causes a filter of 10 thousand eyes…….. kinda like OJ and the glove look at the medical industry on the eastern sea board….hydro therapy finds its beginning with the Mormons exposure to native medicine and they were allowed to while KICKAPOO native peoples were arrested for the practice……..there is more abuse here more and more and more there is not end to the lies the books and government push to control and manipulate people.

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    as a native american enrolled Kickapoo tribal elder and first elder WBMS
    I am often confused with the hippy culture……..it is why i do not vend at non-tribal events
    I am speaking out now because if I do not I believe this story of prohibition will become another repeat of history……..you see for many years the medicine was socially approved and folks were coming to the rez to get medicine and learn how to make all kinds of extracts we were very happy to share hoping that ‘YOU PEOPLE” could learn how and not destroy the environment live in peace together…….instead of Us eviscerating your encroachments within our lands. when those that came and learned took what they thought was a better way to extract by using readily available solvents …………they made poison and it tasted the same seemed to work the same but people started get sores on their lips and rectums from using the medicine and the skin salves especially caused severe issue people had bought IMPOSTOR COMPOUNDS………. so it was a few years of posterity and then almost total obscurity until today because the families formed this society just before prohibition and it has not been made public until I presented my personal family history for examination…. i HAVE BEEN A FIRST ELDER SINCE 1959 i AM NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN WHAT A FIRST ELDER IS JUST LET IT BE ASSUMED THAT A FIRST ELDER HAS EXPERIENCE BEYOND THE CURRENT AGE OF MAN.

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    WHEN FOLKS START GETTING SICK FROM THE USE OF IMPOSTOR CHEMICALLY PRODUCED SYNTHESIZED CANNABIS SUBSTANCES THIS MEDICINE WILL GET SHUT OUT AGAIN. THE ONLY SAFE FORM OF CANNABIS MEDICINE COMES FROM OUTDOOR ORGANICALLY GROWN CANNABIS AND VERY SPECIAL EXTRACTION METHODS MUST BE OBSERVED ( absolutely no heat above A hOT kANSAS MID DAY SUN) 70-100* NO ALCOHOL OF ANY KIND . AND THAT IS ALL i AM GOING TO SAY

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    EXTRACTIONS DONE WITH 18TH CENTURY SCIENCE PRACTICES but SOME THINGS USED ON THE RESERVATION WERE NOT KNOWN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC …. SO GIVE IT BACK TO THE Kickapoo nation AND PERHAPS i CAN CONVINCE THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE GENERAL KNOWLEDGE PUBLICATION OF THE OFFICIALLY APPROVED NON TOXIC METHODS OF EXTRACTION REMEMBER no heat

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    DID YOU KNOW A PERSON CAN GET ARRESTED FOR THE PROPAGATION OF THIS INFORMATION in kansas
    simply talking about this subject might get you arrested in brown county especially
    Jackson county is even worse. they still tie all crack drug use to cannabis
    and alcohol and any other form of drug abuse.

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    we are one of the poorest tribal nations in the union I am a veteran vietnam71’…………..I have been told from youth like several of my family elders the use of wild-crafted plants and minerals …………the Kickapoo Medicine has been traditionally SECRET because of it’s illegal status especially on a federal reservation where most children have 2 felony strikes against them by the age of 12
    for crossing a federal restricted fence-line and for carrying fire arms across state lines so strike 3 puts most of the children out of work due to the felony factor when you submit a resume. ask any farmer in Kansas what rifle he carries on his gun rack behind the seat of his truck. they don’t get charged like the kids on the rez do ……………….and when it happens the kid does not know it is one of 3 strikes that will ruin his public life as an American citizen………..yeah dual citizenship we even have our own license plates on our vehicles now… times are changing indeed.

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    racial prejudice is not publicly acceptable any longer BUT institutional prejudice is alive and well thriving right before your eyes.

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    any legalization short of legally restoring this medicinal practice to the Kickapoo Nation will be an act of Institutionalized racism by the united states government specifically placed in force in the 1930’s with prohibition to allow anything less is out right theft of intellectual property.

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    Lets see Wilson mm no before lets drop right down on the head of the racial prejudice movement against Indian….. Roosevelt who said publicly ” the only good Indian is a Dead Indian” and Wilson and cox and yeah they were fighting against AMERICAN NATIVES….. and killed and murdered and stole and raped and yeah it was a war. but not about Drugs it is about the exploitation of natural resources like wild-crafted medicinal compounds that could generate millions of dollar of support for an impoverished people give them political power and possible undermine the propagation of the current political establishment.
    hence the “only good Indian is a dead Indian …….. I would enjoy president Obama to apologize for the office of the presidential remarks and put some meaning to the apology specifically to the KICKAPOO NATION and restore our license and tax stamp and even fund our farm to produce extracts and grow cannabis on the federal reservation in Kansas. just like before 1930. somebody please read what I am saying help me get this rolling imaging acres of good quality medicinal cannabis distributed throughout the US. Extracts sanitary organic produce directly from the farm to the extraction method and deliver by mail to your home. like asprin and for about the same price.

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    Prohibition has been repealed in Oregon………………THe KICKAPOO INDIAN MEDICINE COMPANY is legal again………

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      Not a good place for advertising my friend…buy some ad space.

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        why you don’t know how to read do you?

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          An elder would not have slung the hate and ridiculous insults that you have at me…which have been deleted….Yay!

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            If I state that I HATE DRUNKS EVERY WHERE!!!! are you now going to assume that my directed communication is referring to you specifically by name address and social security number? why do you assume hate toward yourself are you guilty of being a drunk sloppy stoner?have you stopped beating your daughters into submission……it is called reading………..no slur intended…………some types of reading require adult supervision because the intent of the author is not specific at first this is called a STYLE of written communication. LOL as long as the leash is taught you know the dog is barking the correct direction …..ever read POGO 1945 didn’t think so couldn’t read then could you “CHILDREN”

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            You have touched upon (maybe by mistake) an analogous scenario regarding what the term, “stoner” means and whether it has a possible adverse effect in the overall cannabis industry. And seeing that the article subject matter revolves around this term, I think that this is an appropriate place to bring up the analogy.

            Having everyone that uses cannabis, whether it be for medicinal or recreational reasons covered under the umbrella term of “stoner”, is analogous to everyone who consumes alcohol being covered under the umbrella term, “drunkard” or “boozer”.

            I think as time goes on and the momentum of the cannabis movement moves forward, there will be a distinction between a “user” and a “stoner” — and rightfully so. In my mind, and I would think that some will identify with what I am saying here is that a user is one who uses, (maybe daily) as where a stoner is one who is constantly under the influence of cannabis.

            Of course, this is just my impression, and it will vary from one person to another based on the frequency with which one uses to apply the label of “user” vs. “stoner”. I don’t associate the two terms with anything around clothing, choice of music, employment status, career choice, etc. I see it as a function of frequency-of-use only.

            Comments?

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        you don’t understand this was a company that belonged to my family and was exploited out from Kansas toward Oregon in the 1930’s

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    I think investors are right to move away from the stoner stereotype. There are millions of marijuana users out there, and not all of them like tie dye and the grateful dead. Marijuana is on the fast track to becoming legal nationwide, and it would be foolish to focus on such a limited demographic as the “stoner” crowd.

    The typical stoner imagery krass, outdated, and should not be used to represent the industry. Like it or not, mainstream acceptance of marijuana means changing the faces of the industry. I want everyone to enjoy the herb, and the stoner stereotype is not a good marketing strategy. Just because a company indicates that they are not associated with that image does not mean they are “alienating” anyone.

    I think you are being a bit sensitive about the whole issue; and your judgmental comments about people wearing suits sounds eerily similar to comments you hear people make about long haired, tie dye wearing, pot smoking hippies.

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      hey think about real cannabis butter
      made from your very own garden and forget about corporate laws and suits that need ………everything .

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    I think we are having a huge misunderstanding here of what stoner culture is…..seems to me that each person decides what that means to them. So perhaps those here should each spell out what it means to them and their comments will be more understandable to others. I myself believe stoner culture is anyone who smokes it illegally on the down low.
    tie-dyed or not. Now that is a huge demographic.

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      your exactly correct Michigan man good save: what I was attempting to share is that my family pushed against Cannabis like it was a murder of human life come to find out I was sent to christian families from group homes and juvinilke detention facilities and beaten because of my tribal language and spiritual beliefs which evolve around cannabis and many many more medicine rooots and vegetables so stop calling cannabis a drug you feel good when your full don’t you …… well your body is starving for mothers milk ishukept

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      because I wear Levis and have long hair I get confused with respectfully ” Hippy culture” and often it is very disrespectful of my spiritual beliefs
      I have practiced medicinal use of cannabis for many years now and having a substance declared recreational seems insulting to a very healing practice of daily continual ingestion of cannabis as food for the spirit as well as the body

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    Your most current Juvenile comment:
    STONER culture is a name applied by ignorant high school students that have no means of articulating the social structure surrounding their immersion from puberty. stonier culture has little if anything to do with the legalization of cannabis.
    the use of medicine for health is not stoner culture. getting drunk and sloppy stoned is probably why someone from Michigan would think it was connected some how.

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      I see you know everything for everyone…..why are you here other than to make yourself feel important by dogging out others AND promote your business. My native american friends are much more respectful of others opinions.

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        nobody is noticing history repeat it self MICHIGAN MAN no insult ever intended

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          Calling me a child and a drunkard then saying I can’t read? Then you want me to beleive you are a tribal elder? Good luck to your tribe…….sheesh.

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            don’t give a second thought to what you believe whiteman you don’t know how to reaD AND GET INSULTED AT WHAT YOU THINK YOU UNDERSTAND.
            ABRV. MEANING ABBREVIATION …. AS IN SHORTER VERSION IMPLIED LONGER SPELLING……NO SLUR INTENDED White AS IN ANGLO PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN OTHER THAN first nations religious belief
            white man …… first nations elder>>>>> AS IN >>>> eNrolled tribal member of senior years<<<<<<<<<<<<<< fIRST ELDER GOT IT DUMB AS……. SHUCKS HAVE TO EXpLAIN EVERYTHING….. MMMM yep cultural misunderstanding is exactly what killed all the Buffalo and destroyed the environment. nasty shit cultral stuff is use it to grow really good compost don't includ the potatoes or suds but I always like to use the wash off thee POTATO…. for you clinton fans that don't read allot or inhale. it's okay you wont understand at first it will take a while to sink through. cause it written in "STONER DUDE SPEAK"

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    The finely cultivated plants and the study required to develop stronger and healthier plant through organic means is not stoner culture
    the methods of horticulture and hydroponics are not stoner culture.
    not even the educational systems recognize the coined word “STONER” it is derogatory and inflammatory at the least when the use of cannabis is legalized for recreational use the idea that this medicine is safe enough to allow non-medicinally prescribed use is a statement toward the wholesome safety and nature of this medicine used for re-creation.

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    the legalization of cannabis is not about allowing anyone to abuse any form of medicine is it?it is about this medicine being reclassified and use by children will still be strictly monitored so Michigan Man you will have to make it to your home room on coffee or chocolate until you get a note from your mom just like aspirin.

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    your view of the CULTURE is focused on a finished product not a process
    because it WAS illegal…….because AMA medications are the cause of poor health………..is the main driving cause of legalization not so a bunch of immature children from Michigan can get silly with an excuse like a half dozen school girls and a single can of beer acting drunk and disorderly to draw attention .

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    The Kickapoo Indian Medicine is the oldest established business that actually prescribed this medicine before prohibition exploited from the Kickapoo Nation illegally and then made illegal to have possession. funny how the GOV wants to own the patent on the process and keep everyone away until they control it completely out of the reach of the common man.

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    The Kickapoo Indian Medicine is the oldest established business that actually prescribed this medicine before prohibition exploited from the Kickapoo Nation illegally and then made illegal to have possession. funny how the GOV wants to own the patent on the process and keep everyone away until they control it completely out of the reach of the common man.

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