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 July 3, 2015

Responsible Ohio LogoIn order for ResponsibleOhio’s marijuana legalization initiative to make the ballot (the 2015 ballot, just to be clear), the campaign needs to submit at least 305,591 valid signatures to the Ohio Secretary of State, and meet a threshold of signatures in a certain amount of counties. This last week ResponsibleOhio submitted almost 700,000 signatures. Barring a significantly low validation rate, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that the initiative will clear the signature requirement hurdle. Per Cleveland.Com:

ResponsibleOhio Executive Director Ian James was confident the group will meet that mark in 72 counties.

“This [amendment] is about allowing the voters to do what the Statehouse hasn’t been able to do for 18 years,” James said at a press conference before boxes of petitions were unloaded from a U-Haul truck and into the secretary of state’s office.

“No matter what the Statehouse does, we’re going to make sure that we give the voters the right to decide this issue,” James said. “If the voters decide they want to vote no, then we’ll accept that but we want to make sure that they have the right to be heard.”

The secretary of state’s office sends the petitions to county boards of election to verify the signatures. If the group falls short, it will have 10 days to collect more signatures.

The ResponsibleOhio initiative is arguably the most controversial marijuana initiative to date. Proposition 19 in California in 2010 was pretty contentious, and the I-502 initiative in Washington in 2012 is still dividing a lot of the marijuana community in that state. I think definitely leading up to signature verification the ResponsibleOhio campaign has caused the most outcry from the marijuana community. I’d expect things to ramp up even more after the signatures are verified.

There is a virtually endless supply of people pointing out that the ResponsibleOhio initiative is not perfect. That’s completely understandable. I definitely think that more than ten entities should be allowed to grow marijuana for profit. I personally don’t like any license limits at all. But I think it’s worth pointing out that marijuana prohibition allows zero licenses. I don’t think that ResponsibleOhio’s initiative is as good as a state like Oregon’s, but I think that people shouldn’t condemn the initiative as quickly as they are. If people vote no, that’s fine, but I just hope it’s for the right reasons.

Lets say hypothetically that ResponsibleOhio fails. Then what? Is there another campaign waiting for that to happen that has the same amount of funding and polling as ResponsibleOhio for a less restrictive initiative? As far as I know, no national organization is planning on running an initiative in Ohio if/when ResponsibleOhio fails. Just about every organization has publicly criticized the initiative, but when I ask them what their plans are for Ohio, they either say that they have none, or that if the financial backers of ResponsibleOhio will pay for it, they will run an initiative. If the initiative in 2015 fails, I don’t think that the ResponsibleOhio backers will be shelling out anymore money.

So I think the question that Ohio voters need to ask is ‘will there be another chance to vote for marijuana legalization in Ohio anytime soon?’ Also, ‘will the next initiative have a legitimate chance of passing?’ If the answers to those questions are both ‘yes’ than I’m more comfortable with people voting no in 2015. However, if the answer to either of those questions is no, then I think that voters need to ask themselves ‘is the ResponsibleOhio initiative better than prohibition?’ If the answer to that question is ‘yes’, then I think that voters need to seriously consider voting for the initiative.

I’m not an Ohio voter, and I live in Oregon where we have the best legalization law in the country, so take what I say for what you will. I’m fine with people voting either way on the initiative, so long as their vote is based upon solid research, and not on knee-jerk reactions to what some pundits are saying. I reached out to the ResponsibleOhio campaign a couple of weeks back to get their FAQ’s and answers, which can be found at this link here. Do your own research and make your own decision, whether it’s for or against. This is a big decision Ohio, make it count!

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  166 Responses to “ResponsibleOhio Submits Roughly 700,000 Signatures For Marijuana Legalization Initiative”

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    The real problem with Ohio is, at the core of the RO naysayers are the black-market growers. They don’t care about the freedom of Ohio marijuana consumers. The ONLY thing they care about is continuing to reap their outrageous profits – no matter who is hurt. So they are manning the noise machine against RO.

    This is the same dynamic we’ve seen in the other states that had legalization initiatives. The greedy growers failed to stop legalization in Washington, Oregon and Colorado, but very possibly were the reason for California’s failure to re-legalize in 2010.

    These are the destroyers of freedom within the marijuana culture. They could botch Ohio’s struggle for freedom, and they could destroy California’s attempts again in 2016. If they do, that could endanger the whole marijuana reform movement. That would be just fine with them.

    These enemies within should be identified and surgically removed from the culture – AND boycotted. EVERYTHING is at stake.

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      Your such an Idiot, you think everyone against this monopoly is a drug dealer, absolute moron

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        Couldn’t agree more. What a moron. I don’t grow, I’m not a dealer. I’m against RO because the amendment is complete trash. It revolves around one thing only, and that’s to make the rich richer. We need a free market where everyone, given the chance can benefit. jontomas must be a paid shill because no one is that damn dumb.

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          Wrong. – The vast majority of consumers don’t care how the retail system is structured. They just want their freedom. That’s logical.

          Your objections aren’t logical – until you consider the hidden agenda.

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            The only “hidden agenda” is that this is a monopoly in which 10 millionaires will have sole control over cost, distribution, cultivation, EVERYTHING! VOTE NO on RO!!!

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            I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of those 10 suppliers would just produce cannabis cigarettes instead of strains. This would set a dangerous precedent if upcoming states follow by example, only providing the equivalent of “Malboro Green”.

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            No. If they don’t give customers want they want, they’ll just grow their own.

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            IF you are granted a permit, there is NOTHING that says EVERYONE is GUARANTEED a permit. Also, they can’t even tell you what the timeline is on home grow. I have also not read anything on how they plan on doing inspections to insure the grow rooms are up to code and you’re not growing more than the allowed number of plants. I would love to have DEA show up at 10:00pm some night to check out the grow operation

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            You haven’t read anything about home grow inspection because there is no such portion of the amendment. Inspections are simply a product of your over-active imagination.
            Also, please show us the text of the amendment where it says everyone ISN’T guaranteed a home grow permit, which is the inverse error of your own.
            You are using the necessary vagueness of constitutional language to create (in your own mind) rules that don’t actually exist.

            Here’s a standard rule of argument that you should learn; one cannot argue from a LACK of evidence. That’s called a logical fallacy.

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            Ok, show me where it says EVERY OHIOAN is guaranteed a permit to home grow? Home grow is thing RO always points to but yet we have no clarification on it. Also, if there is language limiting the number of plants and language specifying how the home grow room must be constructed then by virtue they will have to be inspected. If the language in the bill limits plants and specifies grow room construction, BOTH will have to be inspected to insure compliance. They still have not addressed how compliance checks will be done, and by whom.

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            So….I show you what a logical fallacy is, and you respond by re-presenting the SAME logical fallacy?

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            Please read the actual amendment, Paul. The ten initial grow licenses are just that, license to cultivate and sell wholesale only.
            Pre-rolled cigarettes would be a product that would have to be made by an MPM, or marijuana product manufacturer, according to the amendment.

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            For about a year, until the national market takes over. Then marijuana will be sold everywhere beer is, right next to the Marlboros. — Prices and selection across the country will be equivalent.

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            What is this fallacy of national legalization you and the other RO shills keep trying to sell? There is NO indication that will happen within the next decade let alone in a year!!??? Also, the fact that 10 guys will be able to influence prices on a 7 billion dollar industry shows this is a drug cartel working together. VOTE NO on RO

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            Do you want to bet on it? I’d be glad to wager the federal prohibition will fall and the national market will take over at least by 2018.

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            OK, here’s a great chance for Kyle to hear from someone other than the few who regularly counter his hysteria with the facts.
            Kyle says national legalization is more than a decade away.
            What say you, cannabis activists, is he right?

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            Please, prove me wrong, show me ANYTHING that points to the feds legalizing weed within the next 10 years.

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            1.Support for legalization is continuing to increase in polls, excellent polls recently from Arizona, Michigan and Rhode Island. If that continues (and why shouldn’t it?), the pressure on the prohibs is going to be more than they can bear.
            2. California, Arizona, Nevada, Massachusetts and Maine are very likely to legalize next year, maybe Michigan and Missouri as well. Maybe Ohio, crony capitalism and all, this year. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if every state that allows citizens initiative has legalized by 2020 (including Alabama + Florida, where in 2014 58% voted, in an off year election, for a very liberal MMJ initiative). This will put severe pressure on the prohibs too.
            3. The success of legalization in Colorado and Washington, which will be replicated everywhere it’s legalized, offering certifiable proof (not that any should have been needed) that cannabis is way safer than what’s already legal, and proof of the financial benefits and use of police resources benefits.
            4. Continued growth in awareness and evidence that cannabis is a very, very useful, sometimes miraculous medicinal herb.It’s not so easy to hate on recreational weed when the medicinal benefits are there for all to see..

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            None of that means anything, more hypotheses from the part time English teacher. Since you’re so sure it’s right around the corner how about we just vote NO on this monopoly and wait another year for Federal legalization?

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            Part time English teacher? Whatever.
            I was answering your question. You think it’s going to take more than 10 years, I don’t.
            That doesn’t mean I think It’s right around the corner, 2021 is my guess. I hope jontomas is right, and it’s sooner.
            I do think if Ohio legalizes (semi-legalizes) in 2015, it will bring national legalization closer.

            Since you didn’t take my answer seriously, and. threw in some just for fun rudeness, and aren’t interested in actually working on an alternative to RO, no need to take you seriously either.

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            Excellent poll numbers that are still trending upward don’t mean anything? Oh, please.

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        If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

        There is no other reason to be against RO, unless you’ve fallen for the greedy grower fallacies. That’s difficult to believe in these information-rich times.

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          There’s no reason to be against RO???? Are you completely brain dead? How about the fact that it’s a god damn monopoly owned by 10 millionaires, that’s not a good enough reason to vote no? You’re exactly the voter they want after with this legislation. You know, the one that hears the world “legal” and that little brain stops, your eyes glaze over and you jizz yourself and sign anything.

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            Marijuana consumers don’t care how the retail system is structured. RO frees consumers. – That’s what’s important.

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            They’ll care if this monopoly goes through and they stiffen possession laws and jack up prices because they have no competition.

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            What nonsense. That sounds just like the garbage predictions the greedy growers against legalization said in Colorado, Washington, Oregon and California.

            Just like their fear-mongering didn’t materialize, none of that will happen, of course. They want a stable market. Raising prices would just be a green flag to the black-market, and the RO investors would lose their customers.

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    Jonthomas has no argument other than “you’re all drug dealers” if you don’t like RO ” You’re all drug dealers”, pathetic as usual. The real destroyers of freedom here are the 10 oligarchs trying to create a closed marijuana market in Ohio. They will control our prices, our strains, our accessibility, everything! Also, they will be reducing the maximum possession amount from 3.5oz to 1oz thus causing MORE people to be arrested and their lives ruined by a drug conviction. Currently if you get caught with 3.5oz or less you simply pay a ticket, nothing else, no court, nothing on your record, nothing!! If RO passes and you leave one of their pot shops with 1.5oz and get caught, you’re going to court, does that sound like a good deal to anyone???????

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      You could probably only buy 1 oz. If you don’t want to buy, just grow it. Have you seen the marijuana price index? Not a stable thing. Have you seen the tax rate placed on the supply chain? By the time you remove all the tax deductions normal businesses get, profit margins must be aggregated across multiple shops to stay competitive. Therefore, this is not a market for everyone and their brother to put their life savings (all in CASH, NO LOANS) to start up a growery. Groweries are highly susceptable to failures in yields. This leads people to fertilize, pesticide, and generally bad growing practices. This then leads desperate growers to sell out of market and state with tainted product. I have talked to alot of growers (dealers) and they are against this but get real, the black market will still exist (not saying jontomas is completely right or sane just saying his generalization has some foundation). Once the market stabilizes there will be room for growth of individual growers like craft breweries can exist along budwiser. However in this intial period I would rather they invest to build the first true marijuana manufacturers. The will become strong companies that will withstand the market (even once federally legal) and provide lasting jobs. And yes they will turn a fat buck doing it but like the author said whar the hell has everyone else been doing about it. Federal legalization is going to undercut the market price of marijuana by big companies, again putting more mid size groweries down because they can’t compete with Marlboro Mary Jane Spliffs produced at the same quality for half the price. You should vote for this but hey it’s your vote. Gotta have patience friend.

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        I do have patience, I’ll be waiting until 2016 before I support anything

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          Will anyone else be ready by 2016? If not, 2018 might be a bad idea because young people tend not to turn out in midterm elections. 2020 is an awfully long time to wait. Medical marijuana users can’t wait at all.

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          You’ll be waiting much longer than that. Who is going to pay the $50 million necessary to get your “better” initiative passed?

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            50 Million, you’re out of your mind, even if you paid 1.00 per signature to get on the ballot it wouldn’t be that much. The best plan for legalization is in 2016, that’s when we will have the option of a Colorado like blue print and not this damn Monopoly your so in love with. Maybe it’s not that you’re in love with it, maybe you’re just paid to get on here and try to push it. I’m guessing our just a paid shill by RO to get on here and try and sell their crap legislation.

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            Okay. Go ahead and keep lying about me. All long-timers here know better.

            Getting on the ballot is just the beginning. Then comes the campaign. – Funny you don’t know this stuff.

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            You guys that work for RO will sling allegations at anyone that opposes
            your Monopoly won’t you? It’s comical how you get on here everyday and
            call people drug dealers that oppose you and cartel but the moment you’re outed for being on the RO
            payroll you get butt hurt and call us liars.

            There’s probably at least a dozen times in JUST THIS article where you tried to dismiss opposing arguments by claiming everyone that disagrees is a drug dealer. This legislation is so bad the only people that support it as vehemently as you must work for them. Why support something that only benefits 10 millionaires? You even agreed that these 10 will be able to manipulate the price “until national legalization” occurs, meaning we could be stuck with this monopoly for a decade or longer.

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      To say I have no arguments is a blatant lie, as all are witness.

      You are simply blind to the importance of having a COMPLETELY legal amount of marijuana.

      As Russ Belville says:

      “Legalization always trumps prohibition. Legalization is always better than a consumer’s arrest or a patient’s death. Don’t ever let the legalization naysayers convince you to vote with the DEA, the Drug Czar, the state police, the local cops, the rehabs, the drug courts, and the prison guards that need you to remain a criminal in order to fund their businesses.”

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        It’s kind of off-topic but what do you think of the MILegalize group? They seem to have it far more together than any of the alternative Ohio groups. Considering that they are neighboring states, maybe not so off-topic.

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          I don’t have a dog in the fight other than I like smoking weed and it shouldn’t be monopolized by a bunch of ahole millionaires. While I don’t work for anyone I am supporting http://www.legalizeohio2016.org for next year.

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            I hope you have $50 million in your back pocket. That’s the only way that will get off the ground.

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            that’s what you and the bosses want everyone to think

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            It cost four million dollars and took 500 paid signature gatherers for RO to get 695,273 signatures.
            Those are simply the facts.
            Theoretically, then OTEP should be able to get just enough signatures – and hope they are all valid – for about two million, and with a paid staff of 250.

            Why isn’t OTEP telling us how much money they have? More importantly, why aren’t they already hiring signature gatherers? The time for them to act is NOW.
            All I see, though, is a lot of carping about RO and no real progress.
            Do you have some data that shows otherwise?

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            How would I possibly have access to any of OTEP data?

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            Well, you were out here singing their praises just last month, and you presented a link to their website on this page.
            By your own standards, then, that means you must work for them.

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            I believe I’ve only ever posted a link for them once and it was asked for, sorry to burst your bubble. You guys can brand me however you like, first I was a drug dealer, then a greedy grower, now I work for OTEP, it really makes no difference to me.

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            Kinda dirty pool, isn’t it? You should remember that the next time you are inclined to call someone a shill just because they support something you oppose…

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            No, I didn’t start accusing you people of working for RO until I was called a drug dealer, greedy grower, your buddy Britt (Yosemite) likes the term white trash. I belive your arguments are “If your against RO you have to be a drug dealer/grower”, and my argument is if you support legislation so flawed you must work for them.

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            I’ve made no such argument, as you full well know.
            Shame on you to accuse me of that.
            I have no evidence whatsoever to think you are a drug dealer, or even a cannabis grower.
            In fact, I’d go so far as to guess that you couldn’t tell a male plant from a female plant.

            I support RO because they are the first group ever to get an issue on the ballot, despite many years’ worth of attempts by other groups.
            I support RO because their proposal gets legalization done THIS year, not in some hypothetical future.
            I support RO because their proposal makes cannabis legal in Ohio. Nothing else matters.

            I support OTEP for the same basic reason; their proposal legalizes cannabis. Will they actually make the ballot? Who knows, but I encourage everyone to sign their petition.

            Since OTEP’s amendment repeals RO’s amendment in the following year, there’s simply no reason whatsoever to vote against either.

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          Sorry. I’m not too familiar with Michigan’s efforts.
          Is there some particular provision you like?

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            It’s much more to my liking than RO overall, the question is if it has any chance. They’ve been holding town hall meetings, and they have an advisory board that impressed me w/ the breadth of interests represented. A recent poll in Michigan has a 15% margin of supporters over opponents so their biggest challenge might be making the ballot.

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        JonTomas is a paid ResponsibleOHio shill, he vehemently argues for them because he’s on their payroll. His arguments are completely disingenuous because he works for them, he’s paid to make people think that this is THE ONLY OPTION we’ll ever have. Wait for 2016 when we have the chance to vote on REAL legalization and not this Monopoly

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          I hope you’re working for one of the Ohio alternatives. To be so vehemently against this without trying to give people a better alternative wouldn’t seem very helpful. If I lived in Ohio, I’d be looking closely at what alternative initiatives have accomplished by election day this year.

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            Exactly right, we have the next four months to see what, if anything, OTEP can accomplish toward getting their own initiative on next year’s ballot.
            Kyle has been screaming at us all now for months that we are fools to jump on “the first thing to come along,” while arguing that we should wait for OTEP in 2016.
            Well, here’s the best opportunity OTEP will ever have to show that they are legitimately worth the wait.

            What say you, Kyle, will you still wait for OTEP if they only have 60 or 70 thousand signatures by election day?

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            If not them, then I’ll wait for something else. You guys act like we’re gaining something here if we support a bill that’s SO bad we have to hold our nose when we vote. I will NEVER support any type of monopoly in which 10 people are the sole beneficiaries.

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            OK, fair enough. I will be sure to remind you that you said this if you ever trot out that tired old “wait for OTEP” argument again.
            What that says to me is that you aren’t FOR anything; you are simply AGAINST RO.
            That’s you’re choice, but don’t act like you have anything viable to offer as an alternative.

            And, we ARE gaining something by voting for RO; it’s called legalization. The simple fact is that if this passes you and anyone else over 21 will be able to legally buy cannabis in Ohio. I definitely call that “gaining something.”

            But then, like I said, you are wholly negative – not FOR anything, other than continued prohibition.

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            That’s an absurd statement, I’m 100% for legalization and to say otherwise is absured. Just because I don’t share your dreams of being a marijuana millionaire doesn’t mean I don’t want it legalized. Here’s the exact text I sent to my representative, it’s copy and pasited so the formatting is off:

            I have major concerns about the group ResponsibleOhio passing
            legislation that will create a constitutionally protected drug cartel only
            benefiting 10 very rich individuals. This type of legalization is wrong for Ohio
            and all of those who would benefit from marijuana legalization. My hope is,
            everything that can be done to stop this, will be done.

            However, that being
            said, I am a 100% full supporter of legalization and I feel, if done properly
            this could not only benefit those who need it for medical reasons but also give
            a major boost to the Ohio economy

            the terrible legislation being pushed by
            responsible Ohio is simply a product of Ohio legislators failing to do ANYTHING
            with regards to legalization. The fact that something THIS flawed could
            potentially become a constitutional amendment, forcing lawmakers to finally act
            shows they/you are not willing to abide by the will of the people you/they were
            sworn to represent. As everyone in Columbus points fingers in every direction
            but their own, make no mistake, you and the others are the ones responsible for
            the creation of ResponsibleOhio and now you might be to l late stop it.

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            Who is your representative?

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            Nice try :)

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            I just wondered if you sent that mess to one of Ohio’s 27 legislators who are attorneys.
            If so, they will dismiss your ill-formed screed as soon as they get to your first comma splice.

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            Oh, you didn’t ask so you could figure out which voting district I”m in?? He must have been able to understand the “comma splice” just fine because I received an email and a phone call at the office. I guess it’s a good thing I didn’t send it to one of the 27 attorneys huh? Keep trying Johnny boy, I know you think I’m in vermillion but you’re about as wrong as you can be.

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          Those who have paid attention over the years know I have no financial interest in marijuana and speak only for marijuana consumers.

          Thanks for showing your ignorance and complete willingness to lie and deceive to get what you want.

          You’re a good representative of the greedy growers against legalization.

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            How much does RO pay you or pushing their monopoly??

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            lol – Lie and deflect. Desperation strikes deep.

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            It’s not the only option . But the option opens doors. It’s still better than nothing. Yes, we all want full legalization. But all states took baby steps. There’s almost no way we are going from zero to full legalization.

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            You ResponsibleOHio guys are funny, You get on here and call everyone that opposes you and your employers drug dealers day in and day out but the moment we call you a shill you cry like a girl and run away. What’s the matter Jonthoms, are you the only one allowed to sling allegations?? I believe your quote was if “if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck”, well for once I’m agreeing. You sure walk and talk like a paid shill for RO so you must be, there’s no other reason to support RO unless you work for them.

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            Of course not. I walk and talk just like I always have – as an unbiased spokesman for marijuana consumers.

            I know those are the last people you care about – except when they buy your overpriced weed.

            There’s EVERY reason for all marijuana consumers to support RO. – It’s called freedom. It’s amazing how you continue to trivialize it.

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            There you go again, once you get exposed as being an employee for RO you start calling everyone drug dealers to try and deflect your true motives, how much do they pay you per post??

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            I’m not desperate, it’s you and your bosses at RO that are panicking. More and More voters see this is nothing but a money grab by a bunch of millionaires and our legislators have approved legislation aiming to stop the creation of Monopolies such as yours.

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            If you’re going to continue to lie and address me as part of RO, there’s simply no point in discussion.

            Find some gullible person that will fall for your deception.

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            Then stop trying to convince people it’s not a monopoly and that it’s their only option.

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            Why do you want to stop the truth?
            It’s NOT a monopoly, though it may be structurally similar to an oligopoly.
            It IS the only option, in 2015.

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            I’m not stopping the truth, I’m telling it, sorry if your vision of truth is rosier than mine. Maybe I could borrow your green colored glasses? Maybe you don’t see it because all you can think about is being a Marijuana Millionaire??

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            I know that in Kyle’s magical world of glitter and unicorns, the facts are whatever Kyle says they are.
            Meanwhile, here in the really real world, this IS the only option for legalization in Ohio in 2015, and this is NOT, by definition, a Monopoly, which would be comprised of one entity, not ten separate corporations.
            These are the plain indisputable facts, Kyle.

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            This is a group of 10 that will operate as 1. Even your buddy Johntomas admitted they will be able to manipulate the price of MJ if this passes. They will conspire together just as they are now to maintain their empire. This is terrible legislation for everyone in Ohio other than the 10 cartel members.

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            That may be true, but what you presented as FACT is categorically and undeniably wrong.
            It’s NOT a monopoly.
            It IS the only option for 2015.

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            It is a monopoly meaning there is NO CHOICE in 2015. Everything I’ve ever said about RO is true. They will control every single aspect of the marijuana business in Ohio. Even their biggest support JonThomas admitted they will have full control over pricing if this is passed. Thanks but I would prefer a free market where the price is dictated by supply and demand, not dictated by how much money these millionaires want to make.

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            Kyle knows for a fact that the ten corporations who will own the original ten commercial grow licenses will “conspire together” to break federal anti-trust regulations.

            Hmmm, Klye, I seem to remember some smart alec saying something like ” Is that your expert opinion? Did the magic 8 ball tell you that?”

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            So you think these guys will work together to spend MILLIONS to create their monopoly and then do everything they can to drive prices down? You’re the same guy that said over on the weed blog that they DESERVE to make obscene profits for the first few years. At the time I didn’t realize you were one of the wanna be marijuana millionaires, now I understand why you think it’s OK for them to screw everyone.

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            The ten corporations are going to spend a total of up to $340 million dollars to finance the ballot campaign, purchase the land that has commercial grow rights, and convert the properties into industrial scale indoor grow operations.
            If YOU put up $340 million dollars, what would you consider a fair return on your investment?

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            Not at MY expense and certainly not through a competition free Monopoly. Stop acting like they are doing anyone a favor. They are creating an oligarchy of 10 which will operate as one so they can keep competition out and their prices where they want them. This legislation is a giant shit sandwich they are trying to feed Ohioans so they can line their pockets.

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            Asked you a very straightforward question; why won’t you just answer?
            If YOU put up $340 million dollars, what would you consider a fair return on that investment?

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            This is not an “investment” what they are trying to do is create a competition free monopoly. This money is not an “investment” it’s a purchase of an entire industry so only themselves benefit.

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            If YOU put up $340 million dollars, what would you consider a fair return on that investment?

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            We’re not talking about an “investment’ we’re talking about a purchase. They are spending 340 million on the purchase of a competition free industry. If all they were doing was “investing” in the industry that 340 million be much lower, instead they are trying to own it for themselves.

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            Purchases can be investments. I purchased a ’72 Telecaster, but it most assuredly is an investment.

            Just answer the question: If YOU put up $340 million dollars, what would you consider a fair return on that investment?

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            Of course these guys want a HUGE return, they are purchasing a 7 billion dollar a year industry that has no competition. I would say if successful they are getting 1000x more than what would be considered a fair return. You’re trying to draw me into an apples and oranges debate and somehow justify these guys creating a state protected monopoly.

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            Hey Kyle, instead of just trying to shout down Jon Thomas, why don’t you comment on the actual article that brought us all to this page?
            Mr Green makes some good points. Do you have a response?

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            First, why don’t you ask JonTomas the same question since all he does is call everyone drug dealers? 2nd, I will never be of the mindset that I have to “settle” because this is the only chance we have. RO is so bad that I would prefer prohibition over RO legalization. The RO language is simply to one sided to accept, I’ll never support any type of Monopoly. sorry.

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            Does that non-answer mean “no,” you don’t in fact have any response to the points made in the article?

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        This isn’t about marijuana. This is about a group hijacking the Ohio Constitution to sell the public a product and give themselves no competition.

        It sets a dangerous precedent and the plan of this group is to hope people will blindly vote for marijuana legalization.

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          Before this amendment came into being, exactly how much time did you spend every day fretting about the Ohio Constitution?

          Have you ever even read a single word of it?

          I find the whole “don’t mess with my state constitution” argument pretty disingenuous coming from anyone, anyone at all, who hasn’t been spending time involved in constitutional issues before now.

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            I’m against anyone creating a monopoly using the constitution, I don’t care of it’s McDonald’s or RO

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      Russ Belville explains why legalization is always better than prohibition:

      [Links aren’t allowed now?]

      I recall quite vividly when the No on I-502 people in Washington told me back in 2012 that I should vote against legalization. The problem with thislegalization, they warned, is that it came with aper se DUID standard, where detection of 5ng of active THC in blood would mean an automatic DUID conviction, regardless of impairment. They explained that cops would merely replace possession arrests with DUID arrests and that patrolling outside Seattle Hempfest would be like “shooting hippie fish in a barrel”.

      So, alcohol DUIDs went down by 3,000 and drug DUIDs went down about 300 in the first year of legalization in Washington. Even if all 1,357 drug DUID arrests from 2013 were for marijuana, those would still be just one-fourth of how many marijuana arrests didn’t happen thanks to I-502.

      I was also told that sure, possession of an ounce would be legal under I-502, but people with more than an ounce would still be criminals. Furthermore, if you didn’t buy your ounce from a licensed store, it would be illegal and you’d be arrested for that.

      So, Washington State misdemeanor arrests declined from 5,531 to just 120 from 2012 to 2013. That’s not just the less than 1oz (or 28.4g) that was legalized, but also the between 29g and 40g that is still a misdemeanor. And there were 0 arrests for possession of non-store marijuana, since the law doesn’t distinguish where the marijuana came from.

      But what about the felony arrests, like, for growing? The No on I-502 activists lamented the fact that there is no home growing allowed in Washington, and therefore, there would be a massive increase in felony prosecutions as these illegal home growers got busted.

      There isn’t a precise way of determining that online, but as I peruse the Washington State Statistical Analysis Center, I find that Washington reported 10,672 “drug crimes” in 2012 and just 2,298 in 2013. Subtract out the 5,531 and 120 misdemeanor arrests for weed and we’re left with 5,141 non-misdemeanor-weed drug crimes in 2012 and 2,178 non-misdemeanor-weed drug crimes in 2013. We can’t tease out the felony marijuana from the felony and misdemeanor other drugs, but still, all drug crime arrests dropping by more than half seems to suggest that even felony marijuana arrests dropped in 2013.

      These massive drops in arrests under legalization are really no surprise if you think it through. Cars and marijuana have existed long before legalization, and we never saw massive amounts of DUID arrests before. And when you legalize even an ounce, drug dogs that could discover your pound are retired and the probable cause tools cops use to bust grows based on pot smell, sight, and accessories are no longer usable.

      The No on I-502 people also warned me that if Washington State passed legalization without home grow, it would never grant that right to adults later, because the state would not want competition for its massively-taxed recreational marijuana.

      For now, there is still no home grow in Washington, but bills were filed last session to grant that right, and with Oregon recreational marijuana becoming legal with home grow on July 1, pressure will build for Olympia to follow suit.

      If you can’t grow your own, No on I-502 people cautioned, you’ll be forced to buy marijuana that is taxed 25 percent at three levels, plus the state and local sales tax, and you’ll be stuck with $600 ounces.

      Indeed, when the stores first opened, there were sales at up to $25 per gram (times 28.4 grams and you get $710 an ounce). But since the last harvest, Washington’s experienced a marijuana glut and a dramatic decrease in price. I recently purchased a half-ounce of mid-grade marijuana for $99 in Vancouver, and the high-grade ounces are going for $250, tax included.

      Finally, No on I-502 predicted that if that legalization passed without home grow and with a per se DUID, it would set a precedent that the following legalization states would adopt.

      Wrong again, as both Oregon and Alaska passed legalization in 2014 with home grow and without a per se DUID, and all the proposals likely to be on ballots in 2015 and 2016 don’t follow Washington’s lead, either. In fact, it is more like Washington is now following Oregon’s lead, as their legislature has proposed both adding home grow (like Oregon) and reducing their taxes to just one tax of either 30 percent or 37 percent (to compete with Oregon’s 20 percent).

      Legalization always trumps prohibition. Legalization is always better than a consumer’s arrest or a patient’s death. Don’t ever let the legalization naysayers convince you to vote with the DEA, the Drug Czar, the state police, the local cops, the rehabs, the drug courts, and the prison guards that need you to remain a criminal in order to fund their businesses.”

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        Who gives two shiits what “Russ Bellville” says, he doesn’t even live in Ohio and we’re supposed to care about his opinion??? Get real, he can go back to Oregon or wherever the hell he’s from, best I can tell is that guy’s an ass hat that will say vote for anything

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          I bring forth the intelligent argument. You deflect to attack the messenger.

          I can count on one hand the people who have the best grasp of marijuana policy and the best communication skills. Russ ranks high within that elite group.

          If you have an objection to any of his points, say so. What you just did shows you have no arguments and no respect for the best leaders of marijuana reform.

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            He doesn’t even live in Ohio, who gives two shits what Russ has to say. He’s for supporting ANYTHING that legalizes weed no matter how shitty it is. His opinion matters to me as much as yours does, he can comment on legalization in whatever state he’s in, other than that he does not matter

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            No, short-sighted one. Marijuana reform is a NATIONAL movement.

            You have not convinced anyone that RO is worse than the current war on marijuana consumers.

            I know you are desperate to keep your river of blood money flowing, but it won’t happen. – You and all the other drug gangs are out the door.

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            Ok, great argument, I’ll vote away our marijuana rights to 10 millionaires so it will help the national movement. If your lobbying for the consumer, why would you push a Monopoly??? Why would you push a structure that only benefits the 10 growers?? This whole plan is designed to keep prices high, if your only looking out for us, why push this???

            That’s right, it’s because you’re a shill for RO

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            [Sigh] Here we go again. – The vast majority of marijuana consumers don’t care what the retail structure is. – It’s the FREEDOM that’s important.

            Any major industry in any state is going to be dominated by the top ten players.

            This aspect is not a concern to anyone but black-market growers and wannabe growers.

            These people will only be able to influence prices for a very short time – until the national market takes over, as soon as 2017.

            The brief advantage they will have is well worth the freedom they are giving in return.

            Again. Please quit lying about me.

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            HOLY SHIT how ignorant are you? YOU JUST SAID YOURSELF THEY WILL BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE THE MARKET!!! Not even you can deny it’s a monopoly that these 10 will be able to manipulate to their favor. This plan is so bad for the consumer only someone working for them would support this!!!

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            I said they will be able to influence the market for a brief period, about a year. The national marijuana market will likely take over in 2017. – That’s a bargain for Ohio marijuana consumers.

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            About a year? Is that your expert opinion? Did the magic 8 ball tell you that? There is NOTHING to indicate national legalization will happen in the next decade let alone 2017. Why would anyone vote for something that creates a 10 person monopoly, in which you yourself said, will be able to influence prices. How is this a “bargain” for Ohio consumers? It’s a shaft job for the Ohio consumer because these guys can set the price where they want and have NO COMPETITION!

            Another thing for your national legalization, groups like this will be the “whales” leading the battle against national legalization. This will be no different than out of state casinos buying negative adds against the Ohio casinos. If what you say is true about prices, you can bet your ass these guys will spend MILLIONS to lead the fight against national legalization.

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            How long have you been involved in marijuana reform?

            Here’s the deal. When California and some others join the Free States next year in November, it will cause the collapse of the already crumbling federal prohibition. – That will usher in the national marijuana market.

            There’s nothing anyone can do to stop it. Their hands were tied when Colorado and Washington re-legalized marijuana.

            It’s all over but the shouting.

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            Uh-huh, keep telling yourself that

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            You’ll toss any empty phrase to get the last word, won’t you? – Responsible Ohio ends the war on Ohio marijuana consumers, plus breaks the ice in the mid-west and East. – THAT’S what’s important.

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            Yup, once we legalize our monopoly, oligarchs all over the country will try and push the same dirty handed scheme.

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            National cannabis? I disagree, at least in the post 2017 time frame you predict. You forget that organizations like SAM are mobilizing to profit from any tragedy involving cannabis. All they’re waiting for is some big wig celebrity to get into a car crash and test for metabolites or have an over-“Dowd” on herb.

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            They’ve been waiting a long time for such a desperate solution. That’s what they are reduced to. The public is too smart to let any such incident forestall the national movement. It’s decades overdue.

            Russ Belville kicked Sabet’s keester out of Oregon and debunked all his talking points.

            California has been targeting 2016 for years. Even the Lt. Governor is on board. – This train has left the station.

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            Yes, that’s their attitude, a single cannabis related catastrophe is enough reason to ban cannabis, but a million alcohol related catastrophes is ok. I’m not worried, the polls on whether alcohol or cannabis is more dangerous have turned overwhelmingly in our favor, and all one cannabis related catastrophe would do is spotlight how rare they are compared to what alcohol brings us.
            Just keep shoving it in their fascist face how much more dangerous alcohol is than weed.

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            The concern is they’re are using the constitution is establish a cartel. Ohio legislators have put a bill before voters to make what RO is doing illegal, not the marihuana aspect, but to rewrite the state constitution to benefit investment groups.

            If this passes it opens the door for other investment groups in the nation to make them self the sole beneficiaries of an industry by law.

            RO is a very dangerous group.

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            No. – It’s clear the legislators behind this transparent action are simply against re-legalizing marijuana. – They raised no such “outrage” when this happened with the casinos.

            If this political avenue is inappropriate, there should be much discussion about it. THEN, a vote. You don’t frantically toss a bill like this together – just to thwart the will of Ohio citizens who have seen the light about the fraudulent, counter-productive marijuana prohibition.

            I’m confident Ohio voters will see through this unethical ruse and dump the anti-voter amendment.

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            I think most people understand any kind of Monopoly is bad, so that being said I think the anti monopoly bill will probably pass.

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            Well, you better hope it doesn’t pass, because despite the eleventh hour changes designed to appease folks worried about the “creates any tax” portion of the anti-monopoly (really anti-cannabis) amendment, it will indeed prevent OTEP from going into law because OTEP specifically creates both a tax and a tax rate in their proposal.
            You see this as an ally now, but if RO fails, you will rue the day that you supported it, when the legislators use it against any subsequent voter initiative to legalize cannabis.

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            I guess that’s a risk I’m willing to take, you have dreams of grandeur with RO, i don’t.

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            RO is sponsoring The Oligarchy Referendum.

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            Several members of RO’s investment group have had felony charges for what most would consider white collar crime.

            When you throw around words like that it shows you are uninformed about RO. Nick Lachey (98 degrees) is part of the investment group. One I know personally and sells large amounts of ecstasy.

            RO is run by criminals and is not good for Ohio.

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            lol – Distract from the issue by honking about the peccadillos of some investors.

            What’s next, burlesque?

            RO frees all adult Ohio marijuana consumers. – That’s what’s important.

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            Please explain how legalization is always better than Prohibition? Will there still be a Black Market? Will enforces still be required? Searches? Seizures?

            Will it be more like tomatoes or more like Oxycontin?

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            Have you ever seen Scott Adams’ Dilbert series “Dick, from the internet?”
            If not, look it up; it’s hilarious.
            I’m fairly certain that Kyle is actually Dick.

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      Kyle, you really should just stick to the facts, and not invent hyperbolic scenarios that have no way of becoming true. No Ohio consumer will be able to buy 1.5 ounces, and subsequently get caught, under RO’s proposal.
      The stores may not sell any individual consumer more than one ounce, which is also the legal amount to transport.
      The fact that you mis-read and misinterpret so much of the language of RO’s amendment tells me you either haven’t read more than the amendment summary, or you’re simply desperate to invent scenarios that make RO’s proposal look like something it is not.
      In the future, I suggest you present us with the actual text of the amendment that shows all these things you claim.
      Otherwise, what we all see is simply the fruition of your own earlier claim that you will say anything, do anything, to try to make RO’s initiative fail.

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        You like to paint all things RO in a rosy picture, I paint them how they are and it drives you guys crazy. Even when I do post actual text you just try and say “well technically that’s true but not really” and other BS so I’m done going back and forth pasting from the amendment and norml

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          If RO doesn’t pass, Ohio can expect to have legalized cannabis in 2030 if they’re lucky.

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            According to Jontomas and JohnB we only have to wait another year or two and it will be legalized nationally, I’ll just wait. No need for a Monopoly

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            What part of Ohio being instrumental in that timeline don’t you understand?
            Do you know what a catalyst is, and how it works?

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            OH, I see, the Fed’s are watching Ohio with bated breath and once we legalize the Federal walls of prohibition are going to crumble and there will be a wave of legalization across the country all because of……Ohio?? Yesterday you said that I live in a dream land of unicorns and rainbows, look at what you just said JohnB, whose living in a dream world???

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            Why do you always take everything to the extreme? I didn’t claim any of those things, Kyle. I simply said that Ohio passing legislation this year will be a catalyst to other states the following year, lending even more support to the efforts they already have. Ohio passing legalization this year could speed the process of national legalization by two years or more. Conversely, legalization failing in Ohio this year would most definitely put a damper on neighboring states.
            It is the preponderance of states passing legalization laws that will finally make the federal government capitulate, not Ohio alone – thus, Ohio is a catalyst.

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            Now you’re back tracking, you realized how absurd your argument was, and you’re back tracking. Tell me where you found that data that says if Ohio passes this it could speed Fed legalization up by two years? You guys always throw out these numbers you pull out of thin air, you have no idea, and there is nothing to indicate the feds will EVER legalize.

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            Please show me the part of my response you consider backtracking. I’m curious to see if I can pinpoint exactly where your thought processes go astray.

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            Tsk. You don’t play fair. Putting words in people’s mouths.

            Ohio re-legalizing marijuana for all adults CRACKS the Mid-west and Eastern states. – To deny this is just devotion to your deception.

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            The only deception being pushed is by you and your crew at RO acting like they are the great liberators of Ohio when in actuality they’re just going to imprison Ohioans within their monopoly

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      No one will be leaving any retail store with more than one ounce, because that is the legal limit to sell (with the appropriate license) and to transport (no license required).

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        And IF your caught with more than 1oz you’ll loose your weed, and get fined. Currently you can transport 3.5oz before you loose your weed and get a ticket, the current decriminalized amount is higher than the RO amount.

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          Kyle, I’ll give you this; you have your method, and you’re sticking to it 100%. Now granted, that method is to simply invent scenarios that are so far-fetched, or downright impossible, that no thinking person could lend them any credence whatsoever, but you may be able to fool a few folks who are as uneducated as you.
          I can tell you from twenty years of firsthand experience, however, that anyone who has even had Freshman English 101, at any community college or university in the entire country, would see your arguments for what they are, emotional hyperbole that refuses to even address, let alone refute, the points being made.

          Now, can we please get back to the premise of my point, which is that no one can buy more than an ounce from a legal retailer?

          Also, did you really just claim that it takes more than 3.5 ounces in Ohio before you lose your cannabis?

          The legal amount for transport under RO is EXACTLY the same as every other state that has legalized.

          Is that correct, or not? I’ll be waiting, in vain, for your simple yes or no answer…

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          Kyle says, “Currently you can transport 3.5oz before you loose your weed”
          Who knew that cannabis is already legal in Ohio, as long as it’s under 3.5 ounces?

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            It’s already decriminalized, RO’s not offering us anything….except a monopoly

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            So, since “Currently you can transport 3.5oz before you loose your weed,” that means, according to super-genius Kyle, that today, right now, if I got pulled over and had in my possession the hypothetical 1.5 ounces discussed above, the merry policeman would just say to me, “good job keeping it under 3.5 ounces, John, please be on your way. Oh, and here’s your ounce and a half back.”
            That’s what you’re telling us, right, Kyle?
            Anyone who would take Kyle’s advice on this or any other matter would deserve to have him as their attorney.
            Except, wait, Kyle didn’t pass the Ohio bar. In fact, he barely passed High School.
            But, that makes no nevermind, he’s still an expert in Ohio law.

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            I’m telling you exactly what I said earlier. They take what’s left of your weed, you pay a 100.00 ticket and you go home. No Court, nothing on your record, nothing. I don’t know how many times we can rehash this topic because it doesn’t change.

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            That is not, in fact what you said, Kyle.

            Here’s what you said: “Currently you can transport 3.5oz before you loose your weed.”

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            then I misspoke, my point is you can carry up to 3.5oz and get in ZERO trouble other than a 100.00 ticket. You’re getting more and more irritable, is it because you see your dispensary millions slipping away?

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            Are you sticking with that, now, or will you later admit that you “misspoke” again?
            You better double check that fine amount before answering.

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            I shouldn’t say I misspoke, I should say you misunderstood. Look man, I know you’re getting more and more pissed as you see your dispensary dreams dry up. You’re just going to have to get over it….

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            What part of “Currently you can transport 3.5oz before you loose your weed” did I misunderstand?

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            I’m not as versed as our buddy Britt (Yosemite) who gets on here and argues for RO all the time. You guys are getting more and more combative as you see your meal ticket slipping away. What’s the matter John? Are you becoming irritable because your dreams of becoming a real business man are slipping away? All that money you thought you would make from this monopoly is disappearing in front of you ever day. Hurt’s doesn’t it???

            Also, I did quite well in HS and College, I’m also quite fluent in Japanese and Spanish:)

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            The money I might or might not make from legal retail cannabis is dependent solely on legalization passing.
            It matters not one whit to me whose version it is, RO, OTEP, ROC – anything other than ORG, which will need to come back from the dead at this point.

            I gain next to nothing by RO passing before something else, except for perhaps a few months’ worth of sales.
            In almost no circumstance will legal retail sales under RO happen before 2017, some six to ten months before they might begin under OTEP, should both pass.

            In the latter case, I could make more money, ostensibly, than under RO (though not much, after the costs associated with an indoor grow fully financed by only myself and my partner), which, according to your assumption that RO is now losing ground, is good news for me, not bad news.

            I know that’s complicated, Kyle, probably well beyond your limited capacity for critical thinking. Get someone else to read it for you and explain what it means.

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            Then you should be happy when it fails! That means at some point you can grow your own and sell it and you won’t loose your life savings. You’re welcome

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          Why do you need to carry more than 1.5 ounces in any event, unless your plan is to sell?

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    you have to pay retail for anything less than an oz which is a lot of money

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    So we have pills that kill people , and alcohol,and tabacco all legal. All of these things kill people every hour but marijuana
    heals and cures people and it is illegal makes no since to me. As a nurse I would much rather see a patient smoke a joint or eat a brownie or even do the oil before I would anything that is legal for them to take! And if the government made it legal all the growers now would have a way to make an honest dollar instead of worrying about the cops. Sure u will always have the backyard growers, but most people will buy it from a shop so it will shut them down due to lack of business come on people use some common sense. And make it legal

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    It’s just the start of things people.

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    Fortunately, voters in Ohio have the next four months, during which time cannabis policy will dominate the media, to see if OTEP has any legs at all.
    They have been cleared to get petition signatures. If they can’t get at least half of what they need by election day, then it doesn’t look like a very good bet they will suddenly get them in the first few moths of 2016.
    The iron is hot now, OTEP; if you can’t capitalize on this being a hot topic for the next four months, why should anyone wait for you?

    Here’s what I’m doing; if OTEP has at least 175,000 signatures by November 3rd, then I’ll go against my better judgment and wait for them.
    If they don’t, I’ll be voting yes to RO.

    In the meantime, I urge everyone to sign OTEP’s petition.

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      You sure are casual about betting with thousands of Ohioan lives. – You know what they say about the bird in the hand.

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        Do you honestly think OTEP has any chance of getting 175,000 signatures with an all-volunteer petition staff?
        If, by some miracle, they do, that will tell me the tide has turned, and that combined with the potential for years of litigation with the so-called anti-monopoly amendment could, in the remotest of possibilities, make RO a losing bet.
        Like any good horse race, the odds on the tote board are changing all the time, and the savvy bettor waits to wager.

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          Getting the signatures is just the beginning. Various states have passed through that and failed to win the initiative. – There is no valid reason for “waiting” for a nebulous possibility.

          The best strategy is to support RO, then if it doesn’t pass, support the next initiative that comes along – whenever that might be.

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            I agree. My point was to let people know there is a ready way for them to gage OTEP’s viability, if they are on the fence. I don’t think OTEP has any chance at all, and that guess will be borne out in the next few months…at which time anyone on the fence can say, “well, OTEP’s a non-starter, guess I better vote for RO.”
            Conversely, if OTEP by some miracle gets, say, 200,000 (or, while we’re engaging in fantastical speculation, 300,000) signatures by November, then it might be better to wait, if the next few months also show that the anti-monopoly amendment won’t affect OTEP, as they claim. RO is likely to end up in court – I’m guessing a better than 50% chance – but if it looks like OTEP could pass the following year, then it would be better to wait and avoid the whole issue getting bogged down in the courts.

            In other words, in the next few months, if OTEP looks like a sure winner, and RO looks like a certain protracted legal battle, during which time cannabis will NOT be legal anyway, then it will be better to wait.

            That’s the only scenario in which waiting makes any sense to me.
            There are so many “ifs” in there that one practically needs an orthogonal array to track them!

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            Okay. You’re closer to it than I am and more familiar with the various dynamics.
            What is the main reason you think RO may end up in court?

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    Just to get some clarification. Can the police come after you for obtaining non legal cartel cannabis? Will there still be a large role for enforcers?

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      If, once a legal market has been established, someone insists on still participating in the black market, they will be subject to the same penalties they would face today, before such a legal market exists.
      Of course, such an unlikely scenario would depend entirely on the police being present during the transaction.

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        Which means very little will change. Because the police will need to be checking to make sure you are legal. And should you lack immediate proof? Well at the very least you will be in their clutches until you can get it sorted.

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          Could you please share with us all the “proof of origin” clause of the amendment?

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          In WA, the law says you have to buy the cannabis from a licensed store. But there is nothing that says the cannabis you are holding has to come from one of those stores. It could be black market, medical, whatever. Absolutely no proof of origin methodology exists for legal possession.

          I’m sure Ohio will end up the same for practicality reasons. All weed looks and smells like weed, despite coming in a hundred different strains.

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      How are they going to tell legal marijuana from “cartel” marijuana?

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    I’m skittish on commenting on Ohio’s legalization because I feel like I’m falling into a meat grinder. Can we get away from the lame and banal accusations already? Not everyone who supports Responsible Ohio is a paid shill and by the same token not everyone who opposes Responsible Ohio is a drug dealer or a greedy grower. These accusations only benefit idiot prohibitionists who exploit our differences for their ends. The sooner Ohio ends cannabis prohibition, a despicable policy based on idiot prejudices, the better for her residents.

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    All I can say after reading these comments is that you guys in Ohio are wound up so tight that you’re forgetting that legalization of any kind is better than none. Everything changes over time anyway. Your initiative is just the first step.

    Example: WA’s rule for retail locations was 1000 feet from school, playground, youth center, etc. etc. was 1000 feet. Now the legislature dropped it to 100 feet except for schools. A HUGE improvement. When governments (or corporations who influence the government) see that something isn’t working, they change it if its in their interest to do so. WA saw a need to simplify the process to increase tax revenue and better fight their remaining enemy: the black market.

    The more the licensed stores sell, the more the government likes it. Think about that for a moment. Because it profoundly shapes how government works. When they can change laws to steal more business from the black market and also increase their tax revenue, they do it. They’re on our side now, more or less.

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    So this is how prohibitionists stall the legalization movement; by watching tokers fight about the “best proposal”. Divide and conquer while not lifting a finger. Smh

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      They stall by watching? – Actually, they stall by keeping the screws to the politicians and judges. But even that power can’t hold back the tide.

      The Free States keep stacking up. When California and some other states join next year, it’s all over – except for the backwaters.

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