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Medical Marijuana Policy

Supposed ‘Medical Marijuana’ Measures In Alabama, Utah Are Anything But

cbd alabama utah medical marijuanaBy Paul Armentano, NORML Deputy Director

At a public signing ceremony, Utah’s Republican Gov. Gary Herbert approved House Bill 105 — aka “Charlee’s Law.” The law, and others like it, ostensibly allows children with treatment-resistant pediatric epilepsy access to extracts of the marijuana plant high in the cannabinoid cannabidiol (CBD).

While some media outlets are reporting that the passage of these measures are akin to ‘approving medical marijuana,’ such claims are far from accurate.

Specifically, Utah’s HB 105 — which takes effect on July 1 — is largely unworkable. As written, the law only exempts from state prosecution those with “intractable epilepsy” who possess a cannabis extract that contains more than 15 percent CBD and no more than 0.3 percent THC. Patients must receive a written recommendation from a Utah board certified neurologist and be registered with the state Department of Health before seeking such extracts, which for the time being may only be procured from outside of the state. The extracts must be produced in a lab that possess a state-license to manufacture such products.

While this language may appear to allow Utah patients to procure CBD products in neighboring medical cannabis states like Colorado, the likelihood of this scenario is highly doubtful. Colorado’s medical marijuana law only allows those who are state residents and who possess a state-issued patient identification card to legally purchase such products. In other words, Utah parents would have to violate Colorado law to obtain high-CBD extracts (which are likely to only be available from a medical dispensary, not a retail cannabis market). Colorado medical marijuana dispensaries would also be in violation of not just the letter of the law, but also the spirit of the law by providing a product they know is intended to be transported across state lines — a clear violation of the guidelines put forward in the August 2013 Department of Justice memo which call for “preventing the diversion of marijuana from states where it is legal in some form to other states.”

Utah’s forthcoming law also calls on the state Department of Agriculture “to grow or cultivate industrial hemp for the purpose of
agricultural or academic research,” ostensibly for the purpose of one-day producing high-CBD cannabis medicines. However, it remains to be seen whether such industrial crops can yield therapeutically effective CBD extracts or whether federal lawmakers would even allow such a state-sponsored research project to move forward.

In Alabama, members of the House and Senate unanimously approved CBD-specific legislation, Senate Bill 174 aka “Carley’s Laws,” late last week. Republican Gov. Robert Bently has announced his intent to sign the measure into law.

However, like the Utah law, Alabama’s forthcoming law will also be largely unworkable for those who seek to benefit from it. The measure appropriates $1 million dollars for University of Alabama-sponsored research in CBD extracts. Whether such research will actually take place is another story. Because CBD is, like the cannabis plant itself, classified under federal law as a schedule I controlled substance, multiple federal agencies — including the FDA, DEA, NIDA (US National Institute of Drug Abuse), and PHS (Public Health Service) must all sign off on any clinical investigation of the drug — a process that typically takes several years and often ends with federal regulators rejecting the protocol outright. Yet, under “Carley’s Law,” patients may only legally access CBD under if it is “prescribed” during the course of such a federally approved clinical trial.

Nevertheless, despite these obvious limitations in implementation, lawmakers in various other states — including Florida, Kentucky, Minnesota, South Carolina, and Wisconsin — are considering passing similar measures. (A similar Georgia measure died when lawmakers adjourned late last week.) While the passage of these measures may pose symbolic victories for legislators, they fail to provide tangible benefits to the constituents that they are intended to serve.

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  • Sarijuana

    I couldn’t agree more. I appears to fall into the one step forward, two steps back category, in my opinion. CBD only bills are barely a victory. I’m glad it gives the parents of these kids a sign of hope, but they shouldn’t cancel their plans to move to another, more sane state. These bills may “open the door” to legalization. Time will tell. It may not turn out that way.

    After watching a tv program about the civil rights movement in the ’60s I couldn’t help but note the parallels, like which states are blocking, what kind of people they are and how hard it will be to turn them, if ever. Education is important, but you can lead a horse to water…

  • Legalize Nature

    0.3 in utah and 0.8 thc in ga is really stupid. Why do they think parents will know if the oil is over that? Only through testing that may or may not be true. Even 2 or 3 % thc will not get you high in small doses. Its time for these political phucktards to butt out of everyones lives. How about a bobs bill or grandma’s bill for adults who need high thc cannabis? Ga struck down the cbd bill but passed a bill to legally let nut cases bring their guns to church. Phucking Phucktards! Please do not censor my post since I did not really use profanity

  • L Renee’ M

    Because CBD is, like the cannabis plant itself, classified under federal law as a schedule I controlled substance, THIS IS A FALSE STATEMENT!!! Its marijuana thats classified as such, not the cannabidiols!

    • Sarijuana

      Absolutely right. Presently, hemp products including CBD rich oils are totally legal in the US. They are for sale legally all over the internet. But these oils aren’t even close to being the RSO we all know about.

      https://realscientifichempoil.com/

      http://drsircus.com/medicine/medical-marijuana/buy-legal-medical-marijuana-cannabidiol-cbd-industrial-hemp

      I am a fan of free enterprise. I love the dollar, but these companies really give me the need to pause and feel caution. I have to pay attention to these feelings, ya know. And, can anyone explain why we even need the CBD laws if this stuff is both legal and works? Don’t read into this statement…I’m all for legalization.

      • wowFAD

        It’s legal, and these “extracts” have enough CBD to claim they are “CBD oil”, but not nearly enough. These extracts that people keep giving links to on every article about CBD-only legislation are not medicine — they’re simply preying upon the desperation of parents. Here’s the post of a former employee of one of these legal “CBD” extracts talking about their product:

        “I’m tired of so called CBD companies claiming that what they provide is medicine. Anyone using a CBD from hemp product please be aware of what you are actually getting b/c it is not what you think. These formulations start with a crude and dirty hemp paste (contaminated with microbial life! I have seen this and these organisms decompose the paste. The paste perhaps even contains residual solvent and other toxins as the extraction is done in CHINA) made in a process that actually renders it unfit for human consumption. What these companies are doing is criminal and dangerous. In fact MJNA’s RSHO is literally just this hemp paste diluted in hemp seed oil. No refinement at all!!! And what Dixie Botanicals is offering is beyond disturbing. I cannot keep quiet anymore. And since I formulated most of these products as head of Dixie Science, I feel responsible for spreading the truth. I left Dixie for ethical reasons but it is not enough to just walk away. These frauds need to be exposed for what they are. Look out for my tell all article coming soon and feel free to contact me directly with questions as it is time to blow the whistle. Let’s keep this industry pure and safe.”

        • Sarijuana

          I just knew there was something wrong, although I am surprised the politicians didn’t use them as an excuse NOT to pass in these states. Thanks for finding this and posting it here, wowFad.

  • wowFAD

    I’m getting sick of Mr. Armentano’s failure to grasp what has been accomplished. Once again, I feel like I must clue Mr. Armentano into what it is like living in a red state, so he realizes FINALLY that any movement at all is better than the cricket-chirps we’ve heard year after year, before now.

    Look at the states listed: Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Minnesota, South Carolina, and Wisconsin. These states are dominated by socially conservative attitudes. Believe it or not, social conservatives are SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE — they don’t like any personal freedoms that don’t agree perfectly with their prescriptive morality, whether you’re discussing gay rights, reproductive rights, or cannabis. They want government small enough to fit inside your bedroom, uterus, and blood stream. They love their bible, they love their guns, and they will beat you with that bible and/or shoot you for suggesting otherwise. That’s what it’s like living in a CONSERVATIVE STATE, Mr. Armentano.

    For the umpteenth time, yes, the CBD-only legislation is unworkable. WE KNOW. The reason these states could ONLY start the conversation with such crappy bills is because some states, like California, market medical cannabis as if it were recreational — girls dancing around, barely wearing clothes isn’t how you market medicine, it’s how you market beer. Lo and behold, SOME parts of the country (like Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Minnesota, South Carolina, and Wisconsin) are home to social conservatives who DO NOT BELIEVE that cannabis is medicine, at all! They think medical cannabis is a smoke-screen to cover up recreational use. They’re not open to having a serious conversation because their minds are already made up — to them, all use is recreational use, and that’s unacceptable.

    The only thing that could (and did) get the ball rolling in these states are these CBD-only bills brought to the legislature by CONSERVATIVE lawmakers because of pressure from the “mommy lobby.” Is it really a surprise the only way they would listen is by shoving a sick child in their faces?

    Mr. Armentano must acknowledge that he’s VERY late to these conversations. By the time he started paying attention to the efforts in Georgia, the legislative session had ALREADY ENDED — his thumb is so far away from the pulse of the grassroots efforts that he didn’t even know the bill had already failed.

    Had Mr. Armentano given more than five minutes of attention to the state of Georgia (or any of those others) in the last decade, he’d know what the conversation was like, and what it’s like RIGHT NOW. People in Georgia are VERY ANGRY their crappy, unworkable bill didn’t pass. As soon as word spread that a bill was being considered, PEOPLE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT. What most people were talking about was that the bill being considered was too limited! Now that the bill failed, everyone is upset that the legislature can pass a law allowing guns in church (yes, that passed) but they can’t help sick kids. This is an election year, and thanks to our crappy, unworkable, *failed* bill, medical cannabis is now, officially, a real issue lawmakers HAVE to consider.

    Now, a comprehensive bill has a fighting chance in 2015. Why? Because people started talking about it. And they’re FINALLY demanding action from the legislature. That’s more than NORML ever accomplished in a conservative state. Mr. Armentano should strive to grasp how hard it was to get THIS far.

    • James

      It’s sad how you’re okay with settling with these “CBD-only” bills, that will only hamper future chances of real medical marijuana bills that will actually allow patients to cultivate and possess cannabis and cannabis products, under a doctors recommendation for a condition that’s relieved by cannabis (like California, Colorado, Washington, and Oregon, as opposed to restrictive states like New Jersey), instead of people having the perception that they’ve earned “medical marijuana”, when it’s only given to a select dying few, with all sorts of hoops and red tape they’ve had to go through to get it.

      • wowFAD

        Wow, James — you couldn’t have proven FASTER how you skipped 95% of my comment. Go back and read it, again. Slower, this time.

        The crux of it is this: a comprehensive bill would never get a hearing or a floor vote in any of those states. If I have to tell you why, you’ve never been to a conservative state, where the preconception about medical cannabis is that it’s just a ruse — a cover for drug addicts to get their fix. That’s why a comprehensive bill would have gotten ZERO consideration and NOBODY would have spent more than 30 seconds thinking about medical cannabis.

        Not until the mommy lobby descended on the state house. Thanks to their crappy, unworkable bills, the conversation finally started. And thanks to that conversation (which was full of “this bill is too limited” and “this bill doesn’t allow any cultivation” and “this bill won’t actually help anyone” etc etc etc) we now have a chance to pass a COMPREHENSIVE BILL, which is a chance we didn’t have before now, before this rash of CBD-only bills got people talking about medical cannabis.

        • James

          Dangerous logic. I would in fact argue the opposite. There is CBD-only legislation introduced in Florida. If passed, it will detract support from some of the more conservative voters to pass the UFC MMJ ballow law, which is actually “comprehensive”. Hopefully I am wrong and you will eventually get a more “comprehensive” medical law, but I believe it is becoming more doubtful after the CBD-only legislation is passed.

          • wowFAD

            How, exactly? You’ve yet to explain what mindset would cause a conservative voter who supports CBD legislation to NOT support a bill that is comprehensive and workable. Especially considering the most frequent complaints about these bills are that they don’t go far enough and won’t actually help anybody. It’s gotten conservatives talking. It has them asking questions like “are you sure it’s medicine?” and “cannabis is neuroprotective?” and “so why won’t this bill help?” and “well what will help, then?” They have to ask the questions, first — you can’t just tell them because they think they already know.

            Getting conservative lawmakers to even consider a CBD bill has broken the taboo that cannabis is inherently evil. IMHO, because conservatives are finally talking about cannabis as medicine, Florida as well as the other conservative states listed are a lot closer to comprehensive medical cannabis programs than any were at this time, last year. That’s not a detraction for medical cannabis. It’s progress. That progress has forced conservatives to question and rewrite their beliefs, which is not easily accomplished. It’s no longer a question of “should we do this?” but instead “how do we do this?”

            Thanks to these CBD bills, as bad as they are, the South is finally starting to tip. Until these bills popped up, the only hope most people in the South had was to wait for federal rescheduling because no one would talk about medical cannabis without making a joke out of it. Now, they’re taking it seriously. They weren’t before.

          • Sarijuana

            wow is so right, and I am going to repeat this from my original comment… the civil rights movement in the ’60s is an example, so look at the parallels, which are just what wow is talking about, like which states are blocking,
            what kind of people they are and how hard it will be to turn them, if
            ever. Education is important, but you can lead a horse to water… the horse has to WANT water.

          • wowFAD

            Thank you! I’m getting tired of hearing how Georgia is supposed to go about getting our legislature to have a serious discussion about cannabis law reform from people who don’t live here. They think all we need is a rational argument. In Georgia, where emotions rule supreme, an ounce of emotional appeal is worth a pound of rational argument.

            Of course I want comprehensive medical cannabis AND full legalization. Suggesting otherwise really chaps my hide. But I’m also a pragmatist who has been following our local advocacy efforts even closer than I follow national advocacy trends. Here in Georgia, every lawmaker who voted ‘yes’ on that failed, unworkable CBD oil bill (and that was nearly ALL of them) is A LOT closer to supporting comprehensive legislation than they were a year ago.

            And because HB885 was so limited, another state senator wrote a comprehensive bill for Georgia that we can pursue next session!!! We have a whole year to garner support for the comprehensive bill and with the upcoming midterm primaries, CANNABIS is now an issue the lawmakers will be talking about, chuckle-free. We went from zero political influence to LOTS in four short months, and that wouldn’t have happened, and we wouldn’t be heading into 2015 with a specific goal in mind, had Peake not filed his unworkable CBD bill in the first place.

          • Sarijuana

            Oh…they’ll still be saying it with a chuckle, but will soon (hopefully) realize people are not laughing along as much any more.

          • wowFAD

            Oh ye of little faith. :-) If there’s one thing you can always bet on, it’s the willingness of Southern voters to scream directly into the faces of our elected representatives. The state senator who killed HB885 by attaching rider legislation (an amendment the state house would not agree to) on the last day of the session is going to be hearing from her constituents, I promise you.

            It’s been suggested that the bill was deliberately killed in the manner it was because the legislature underestimated how wildly popular the bill was going to be (mostly among people who didn’t read the bill and/or didn’t know it was unworkable). That is why it was almost unanimously voted for, but still prevented from passing. It’s a way to kill popular legislation without risking more than one seat. Right now, only one person looks bad, and that’s the one senator who attached the rider bill.

            Right now, the whole state is buzzing about what our Republican-controlled state government *FAILED* to achieve. People are saying Goergia Republicans think so little of their constituents that they passed a bill allowing guns in church, but couldn’t pass a bill to help these kids, and oh boy, it is a biting criticism that’s getting repeated by many and STICKING. Even our conservative governor, Nate Deal is trying to cash in on the popularity by vaguely suggesting a “fix” for the failed bill by executive order, although he’s predictably left out any/all details about what that potential fix would entail.

            Republicans are *finally* starting to realize the poll numbers we’ve been seeing recently in Georgia aren’t flukes or biased in any way. By a solid majority, Georgia approves of access to both medical AND recreational cannabis.

            Rumor is Jason Carter, Jimmy Carter’s grandson, may run for governor THIS YEAR with medical cannabis as a campaign plank because of the remarkable and unexpected popularity of this issue. And it’s all because the conversation was catalyzed by HB885, our crappy, unworkable, *failed* CBD oil bill.

          • Sarijuana

            That’s what I meant. While ther may wink and chuckle now (politicians) they are finding out that this isn’t a laughing matter. People want this. Lots of people. Everywhere. I am encouraged how so many people I run into everyday have a curiosity about marijuana and really want to know more. I always said that as soon as the mainstream media stepped up to cover it, pandora’s box would be opened. Thank you Dr Gupta.

      • Jason Alexander

        If anyone is for freedom (meaning you are free as long as you don’t infringe on the rights of others and hamper their freedom) then they should also be for complete legalization of marijuana. I agree with you 100%, James.

    • donaldwestington

      “they love their guns” I’m not a conservative, but I do support gun
      rights and I do support as small of a government as possible. If you’re
      for all the other personal rights and freedoms (which I am also
      supportive of pro-choice and gay marriage, but I do NOT support the
      government mandating to business owners who they should and should not
      hire… after all, it’s the business owner’s private property he is
      using to run his business, not the government’s property like in a
      dictatorship), then you should be for your right to be able to own a gun
      & protect yourself from criminals AND the government. An old granny
      living alone should be able to protect herself from thugs breaking into
      her house and that have a 100 lb advantage on her. Why are you liberals
      so afraid of guns? BTW, as I’ve already stated, I’m NOT a social
      conservative and I am an atheist, so I don’t have a bible to thump. BYE!
      =)

      • wowFAD

        I’m also an atheist AND a gun owner. However, I don’t own more guns than I have hands, and I certainly don’t have any illusions about protecting myself with one — my guns are locked up unloaded in a 300lb safe where they should be. I was using the bible/guns example to frame the context of what it’s like living in the deep south. Georgia passed a bill allowing guns in church, but couldn’t pass a medical cannabis bill, filed by a Republican, that was so limited it wouldn’t have actually helped anyone, despite having R’s control all aspects of state government.

        Also, I don’t believe I said jack-squat about hiring practices. Stop projecting.

        And I’m sorry to knock you even further off your soap box, but being an atheist who supports gay marriage, women’s reproductive rights, and cannabis reform makes you VERY socially liberal, which means if I’m one of them “liberals” then so are you, pal. Welcome to the club. Conservatives wouldn’t have you at the dinner table if you begged because, to them, you’re little more than a godless baby killer. BYE! 0.o

        • donaldwestington

          Sorry to knock you off of your high horse, but I didn’t even read your whole comment because I can tell from the very little that I did read that you are full of angst (you hate yourself maybe?) & you have your head up your loose asshole. BYE, angry little girl! =)

          • wowFAD

            LOL. People with the attention span of fruit flies who feel entitled to comment on things they didn’t bother to read make me smile. It’s like they think if they rub enough stank on their words, it’ll make up for all the information they’re lacking. You know the types — the ones who are still bitter about not going to college. Just another cripple who hates dancers, huh? So simple and predictable, it’s almost sad. Almost. so BYE…again. I mean, unless your tender feelings are hurt, and you’d like the chance to save face and say BYE — again — a third time.

          • donaldwestington

            LOL. People who get mad & take my innocent comment too seriously and feel the need to be an asshole because your life sucks makes me smile. I don’t think I need to save face, because you already made yourself look like an angst filled whiny emo. Besides, do you really care that much about what people on a Disqus forum think about you? Save face? For who? Strangers online? Statements like the one you made just shows how insecure you are. Also, the fact that you had to instantly resort to being condescending and uncivilized just shows you have no valid arguments. It also shows that you have low self esteem and are trying to make up for your inadequacies in life using hatred and angst towards others. Again, bye, angry miserable little b!tch. =)

          • wowFAD

            Don’t worry, donald-brad-angie-jason. I’m sure you’ll find a new playmate today while you’re avoiding the outside world. I apologize if I don’t respond frequently enough, by the way — I actually have a life. LOL

          • Jason Alexander

            You don’t seem to be too popular around here. Perhaps you should calm down a little and take a chill pill?

          • donaldwestington

            That’s what I’m sayin’…

          • wowFAD

            Oh it’s Ok. I know you’re all the same person, so it really doesn’t bother me. The way you keep responding on the same article with new and infrequently used accounts isn’t exactly “low-key,” Mr Bond. But I’m sure others are fooled by this routine of being your own “gang”. LOLOL. What’s funny is that you think you’re the first person whose played this little game. Using sock puppet accounts to mess with people online isn’t new, junior. And like I said on your other account, liking your own comments with the same accounts on blogs without that sort of web traffic is a dead give-away.

          • donaldwestington

            Why are you so angry though? Real question.

          • wowFAD

            Oh, I’ve been thoroughly amused for at least 20 minutes. You see, nothing entertains me more than figuring people out and watching them panic afterwards.

          • donaldwestington

            Figuring people out? Then why can’t you tell that I’m just f*ckin with ya?

          • wowFAD

            Uh, donald-angie-bobby-flexy-jason-douglas — I’ve known you (just you) have been doing so since yesterday, darling. You’re kinda obvious.

          • donaldwestington

            Still mad? BYE for good. Work calls

          • donaldwestington

            This is some good bacon and eggs I’m eating though. I’ll tell you that.

        • AngieKnowsBest

          Jeez, you need to really seek help. You seem angry about something in your life. Maybe going to church might help.

      • AngieKnowsBest

        I’m all for gun rights and everything else you said, but I’m not really pro choice. Think about it, it’s a human being you’re taking an opportunity at life away from. It’s essentually murder.

        • Jason Alexander

          I feel the same way.

          • wowFAD

            Of course you do — you’re the same person. You’re either new to the internet, or at least you’re new to this blog. There’s rarely more than one or two people commenting on a given article that isn’t on the front page, anymore. And this article hasn’t been on the front page in a couple of days… Think about it, jason-angie-trayvon-brad-donald.

    • Brad Thomas

      You seem bitter. Not getting enough d–k at home?

      • wowFAD

        I don’t eat duck. Too gamey.

        • Brad Thomas

          “Oh wow — nevermind.” then why did u reply twice to my comment? I got ya didnt I? You know what i meant, and by the look of your answer I’d say youre childishly trying to dodge the question. Youre obviously sexually frustrated lol

          • trayvonmartin sux

            Lol! Thx for da laugh for this morning. (:

          • wowFAD

            Thanking *yourself* for a laugh — now that’s masturbatory.

          • wowFAD

            Hahaha. It means I answered, looked at your comments, found out the sort of craven, unassertive internet troll you are, and decided to let you know. It’s always the case — the first one to make lude comments, who cannot stop talking about sex, hasn’t gotten any in a very long time. It’s Ok, “Brad.” Ha. “Brad.” Was that the kid who picked on you in school? I read an article about losers who troll the internet under the guise of identities they’d like to see suffer the consequences of their actions. “Brad Thomas” LOL Someone with so much trolling energy must not have a very satisfying real life, if THIS is how you get your jollies. So sad! Hehehe. Perhaps your parents are making bagel pizzas for your lunch today, “Brad.”

          • Brad Thomas

            Uh, why did you reply with such a huge block of text? Angry much? Did I hit the nail on the head? And also, no, I’m not Donald and my name IS Brad, retard. I know him, but he is not me, and I am not him. You fail. Don’t bother responding, because I’m not going to read your response anyways. But Donald was right. You seem like a bitter & lonely old cat lady.

          • wowFAD

            Haha. “Don’t bother responding” — always the last comment made by trolls who get played at their own game.

      • wowFAD

        Oh wow — nevermind. Just read some of your comments, and you’re obviously just a race-baiting conservative troll looking for attention. I regret even replying to a person like you. Makes me feel disgusted just knowing there’s someone like you out there.

    • trayvonmartin sux

      “I’m getting sick of Mr. Armentano’s failure to grasp what has been accomplished.” WAH! quit your cryin’!!!!

      • wowFAD

        Tr011.

    • AngieKnowsBest

      C’mon. Calm down. Deep breaths. Goos-fraba.

      • wowFAD

        Oh my. It’s pretty obvious you’re using sock puppet accounts to troll people on the blog. Only three comments old? LOLOL

        Here’s a tip, trayvon-brad-angie-jason-donald — don’t like all of your own comments with all of your different accounts on every article you comment on. Your narcissistic little habit of liking your own comments on an article that’s several days old on a website that doesn’t get that kind of traffic makes it pretty obvious.

    • Cris Bessette

      I’ve lived in Georgia for 20+ years and I am in complete agreement.
      Truthfully, I was really disappointed to see how limited and unworkable the bill was,
      but greatly impressed about how this bill “got the foot in the door” and opened up
      the discussion .

      We have some of the most stubbornly conservative politicians in the nation, and not a single
      one of them wants to give the impression of being “soft on drugs”,
      BUT, 171-4 of them voted FOR this bill.
      To someone that doesn’t live here, they cannot understand how bewilderingly amazing this is.

      To these guys “drugs are bad, ummkay?” was the one and final answer to any lightening up on cannabis related laws. Now they are being forced to THINK about what they believe and be able to explain it.

      Bad ideas fall apart when they are forced into the light. This new Georgia conversation WILL lead to relaxation of cannabis laws, and much sooner than if the “CBD oil only” bill never existed.

      • wowFAD

        Cris, you should take a look at the bill that dropped right at the end of the session, this year, SB432 — it’s a fully comprehensive bill that wipes the floor with HB885. 8 plants 2 ounces limits, non-profit dispensaries, multiple conditions covered, the works. SB432 will likely be the basis for the bill we push for in the 2015 session.

        We might not get everything in it that we want, but the crazy popularity of HB885 ensures we’ll get a good bill passed as long as we’re quite clear about how we won’t stand for the shortcomings of HB885 all over again.

        • Cris Bessette

          Yeah, I saw something about that but didn’t get a chance to read up in depth.

          I still want it decriminalized for the rest of us though.. lol

          • wowFAD

            Decriminalization is a great step, although I think we have such a strong libertarian element in Georgia that full legalization isn’t unattainable. Our recent polling numbers for full legalization are currently stronger than the recent polling numbers for full legalization in California. Our poll was 56% among registered voters, theirs was 49% among LIKELY voters. And our poll didn’t oversample younger voters, like you might think — it actually undersampled them by quite a bit.

            Now that primary season is just around the corner, all of our duly elected representatives are returning to their districts for town halls and rallies as we lead into the 2014 midterms. You KNOW every last one of them are going to hear something about how we need medical cannabis in Georgia, and it won’t be a huge leap for someone to speak up and say “This is stupid, we should just legalize — what I do in my own home is my own business.” We both know how strong that sentiment is in Georgia, and the south in general.

          • Cris Bessette

            I have to agree, people are conservative here, but we are also independent and don’t like government interference in our lives (and bodies) – That’s something the youngsters and the oldsters have in common.

            I know people in their 50s and 60s around here really don’t think that cannabis is that big of a deal. Some of them have been very clear that they would “partake” medicinally if not recreationally if the laws were relaxed. These are conservative church going folks, not old hippies.

    • flexylexy

      Someone forgot their medicine this morning.

      • wowFAD

        Hey Brad-angie-jason-donald-flexy! Another sock puppet, I see. One comment old, too! They’re so cute when they’re young. Wow, I must have hurt your feelings to make you create yet another one.

        Yes, yes, I know, I know — other websites are requiring Disqus users to verify their email accounts and you’re running out of playgrounds! It’s all so very tragic.

        • Brad-angie-jason-donald-flexy-

          wowFAD, you are such a prick dude. If you are such a know it all world class intelligent self learned perfect example of a cannabis reform superhero as well as politico extraordinaire why on Earth do you constantly haunt this website putting everyone down? Instead you should be actually doing something productive and in support of reform progress instead of being theWeedBlogs resident asshole bully. The fact that you are always here being a douchebag is an indicator of what a looser you are, knowledgeable or not. Oh yeah I know why, those that can do and those that cant resort to being forum twats. Get a life mate.

          • wowFAD

            Check again, my friend. This thread was being overrun by a guy posting under five different accounts — for all I know, it was you. He started scroll-trolling the thread, bombarding it with comments, even after I called out his BS. The moderator had to start deleting them before he quit posting.

            But where would I be without my moral betters to teach me the err of my ways? Please, lecture me a little more!

            Tell me how I’m such a mean person for not tolerating forum trolls and dim-wits.

            Give me a few more back-handed compliments — my favorite so far is “superhero” but you should find something with more disdain than “knowledgeable” because that was very sweet of you.

            Tell me I’m not being productive, despite the fact that you don’t have a clue who I am or what I do. :-)

            Oh, and just to rub some salt in, it’s “loser” not “looser”. I just don’t understand why the whole of the internet has not yet figured out how much that extra ‘o’ completely undercuts and deflates the insult. If you’re gonna ad hominem, the least you can do is spell correctly.

            I do hope this has been instructive, darling. Oh, and FYI, I “hang out” on this website all the time because I like it. At least five new articles a day, and generally, at least three of them are worth reading and discussing. That’s why you see me here all the time, along with Sarijuana, Painkillz2, Choom Gang, jon thomas, and about a dozen other semi-regulars who keep savy by skimming the blog in the morning, like me, and having a conversation. Sorry if you’ve seen some of the uglier discussions, but you shouldn’t just wilt away when someone shows up looking to troll. Have you noticed how they don’t come back when you don’t tolerate their pressence?

          • Peter Pan

            Only another child plays “I know you are but what am I?” An adult knows when to let the children just be children rather than resorting to being a child himself. Just a thought wowFad.

          • wowFAD

            I’m afraid I have to disagree. In general, I’ve never been a fan of “just ignore them” or “just avoid it” strategies.

            The justification internet bullies use to rationalize their behavior is that they aren’t *literally* hurting anyone, they’re just being obnoxious nuisances, so we should just leave them alone, ignore them, let them randomly harrass people and say terrible things as they please (and anyone not smart enough to avoid them deserves it).

            Maybe it’s just a personal hang-up, but I have to disagree — is it better to just avoid the situation and let them have their good time whenever they feel like rampaging a thread, or is it better to actively take their good time away? This is akin (obviously not equal) to the question of how we approach rape as a society — do we coach women to avoid situations that could lead to rape, or should we try to do something about the rapists?

            You can defeat an internet bully. You just have to be willing to understand their games so you can rob them of the satisfaction they’re seeking. Often, you gotta be pretty nasty, or at least arrogantly contemptuous (usually both). Ultimately, all bullies are looking for validation (it’s usually a dominance/superiority thing) and you can snatch it away if you’re simply willing to outplay them.

            Notice how the scroll-troll guy who was on this very thread the other day hasn’t come back? In a week, check any one of the five sock-puppet accounts he was using, and I doubt you’ll see him repeating the same behavior. Just don’t look more than 4 months back. The comments he’s made with several of those accounts on stories about Trayvon Martin are pretty tasteless and will just make you upset (which was his goal when he wrote them, I’m sure).

    • 1%er

      So you’d rather be pacified with a sleeping pill rather than make legislatures actually do something.

      And you have the other way around. The only reason they even got this far is because of places like California, that shifted public opinion in favor of it. The bills in the south are bad is because the Republicans use marijuana arrests to tag minorities with felonies which stop them from being able to vote. They WANT prohibition to continue so they want THC to stay illegal.

      • wowFAD

        Oh good, another opinion from someone who has never been to the South, doesn’t know anyone from the South, and thinks California can do no wrong and should be thanked for “leading the nation” in every trend…

        Since we’re thanking California for things, THANK YOU for killing the electric car in the 90s by opting to fund hydrogen cell technology, instead. THANK YOU for electing Ronald Reagan as governor — all cannabis advocates sure are GLAD his political career took off. Oh, and THANKS AGAIN for your medical cannabis industry, which is currently funding efforts to UNDERMINE full legalization to protect their profits padded by the quasi-legal status.

        Any other reasons you want me to get down on my knees and thank California? Do we really need to discuss Daryl Issa or Arnold, your beloved former Governator?

        And you should have READ my comment, Mr 1%er… Nobody really liked our “sleeping pill” legislation that I’m certain you’re far too busy to have bothered to read, but everyone agreed it was a good first step. Oh, and by the way, a poll JUST released says that because of the extract oil legislation, 66% of REPUBLICANS in GEORGIA now support medical cannabis:

        http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/new-poll-shows-big-push-to-legalize-medical/vCWNwC/

        I think you know where you can go and what you can do with your California wisdom.