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The Growing Hemp Industry Worries Some Marijuana Growers

federal farm bill hemp amendment researchMarijuana reformers and hemp reformers have fought side by side for many years. In a lot of cases, people support both causes. But there is a battle brewing between both sides. It appears that a lot of people didn’t realize that hemp plants can ruin marijuana crops due to cross pollination. I own a movie called Hempsters, which is a great film that I encourage everyone to watch at least once.

In the film hemp farmers point out that cross pollination from hemp can ruin half of a marijuana crop in the first generation, and that by the third generation, almost the entire marijuana crop will have been turned into hemp due to cross pollination. The movie talks about how if law enforcement truly wanted to eradicate illegal marijuana gardens on public lands, they would just spread a bunch of hemp seeds around and it would take care of the problem very effectively and easily, but that law enforcement won’t even consider it because they have fought so hard to keep hemp illegal.

That fact has caught some marijuana growers off guard, especially outdoor growers. This is starting to lead to some tension in my home state (Oregon) where the Oregon Department of Agriculture has licenses Oregon’s first hemp grower. Per Oregon Live:

Southern Oregon marijuana growers want to ban industrial hemp production from the region out of fear that hemp may pollinate their crops and render them worthless.

Some outdoor marijuana growers want industrial hemp cultivation to be limited to eastern Oregon – far from their lucrative marijuana crops. At the very least, they don’t want hemp in Josephine, Jackson and Douglas counties.

Compared to Oregon’s marijuana legalization movement, the effort to launch an industrial hemp industry in Oregon has been an understated one propelled by a small but passionate group of advocates. When one of them, Edgar Winters, of Eagle Point, got a permit this month to grow industrial hemp on 25 acres in the heart of the state’s outdoor marijuana growing region, his neighbors were alarmed.

There is no easy solution to hemp cross pollination. If a hemp field is located near an outdoor marijuana garden, the chances of that marijuana turning into hemp is very high. Indoor growers will have it a little bit easier due to air filtration systems, but even then pollen from hemp plants can still make it through with today’s technology. If anyone out there is looking to make a big splash in the marijuana industry, they should try to invent better air filters that completely prevent hemp pollen from entering an indoor marijuana garden. I’m curious to see just how much hemp is actually going to be grown in states that have recently legalized it, and what the true affect on marijuana cultivation will be.

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  • Irie Nature

    Be careful what you wish for. Looks like those prices won’t be coming down. UV purified, HEPA filtered, dual air-locked greenhouses won’t be cheap.

    • Johnny oneye

      Yes but we already do this
      indoors
      build it they will come

      • Irie Nature

        I know, and production costs reflect market price.

        • Johnny oneye

          Sensamilla

    • jasen joseph hylbert

      People could self provide by growing by their windows and seed production failities could go to the extents needed to maintain high thc genetics and the genetics of other specific profiles of cannanbinoids and terpenes.

  • Ron G.

    There is an easy solution, just as the Southern Oregon growers have proposed. Limit hemp production to the other side of the Cascades, where there are many fewer people who stand to lose personal or commercial cannabis crops. Hemp will grow well in that climate, and the folks on that side of the state voted against legalization anyway, so they shouldn’t be quite so concerned about seeing their buds reduced to ditch weed.

    • Irie Nature

      I remember Franco from Greenhouse seeds saying pollen can travel hundreds of miles over almost any terrain.

      • Ron G.

        Sure, but it can’t go upwind, so it won’t be coming back across the Cascades to corrupt Willamette Valley crops. Instead, it will blow toward Idaho, mostly settling on the wide open spaces of eastern Oregon.

        • been there

          So you’re happy screwing over the growers and smokers in Idaho?

          • Ron G.

            “Mostly settling on the wide open spaces of eastern Oregon.”

            Like I said, I don’t think it’s going to make it to Idaho. But I don’t see any big legalization push coming from Idaho’s almost-as-Mormon-as-Utah Republican voters, so it’s a moot point for now.

      • Johnny oneye

        Beeees

      • Ron

        I remember a video by Jorge Cervantes in which he said that pollen has travelled from Morocco all the way into France.

    • Tell that to the farmers whose property is in Southern Oregon who have been waiting to grow hemp. A careful study of seasonal wind patterns and cooperation between these farmers should allow them to come to an understanding. So many people who fought against prohibition and now they want to prohibit someone else’s growing? Hypocritical. This is nature, people.

      • Ron G.

        It’s not nature, it’s agriculture. When we’re not careful with agriculture we get things like the Dust Bowl, the Gulf of Mexico dead zone, and loads of dead monarchs. Obviously this is a different, and less significant, problem, but it sure isn’t natural.

        I hope you’re right about wind patterns and cooperation, but that seems awfully hopeful. And in the end, the loser will be the fun kind of cannabis, which can be destroyed by hemp. That’s not what people who voted against prohibition voted for. Like most cannabis supporters, I’m a huge fan of hemp as well. But it requires scale to be economically feasible, and any large scale industrial agriculture operation should be subject to regulation to mitigate impacts.

    • jasen joseph hylbert

      If you hate fod production so much you should move to Zimbabwe.

  • Johnny oneye

    Enters high tech GREEN house
    all part of the 500 lb gorilla

  • Ron

    It’s not just hemp, but other strains of marijuana as well. I don’t want my outdoor OG Kush pollinated by some ditch weed a mile away. This is a serious issue and should be dealt with pronto because, as reform moves forward, more and more people will begin to grow both hemp and marijuana. The results could be catastrophic for both sides.

    There are two possibilities for a solution, assuming hemp works the same as marijuana in this case. One is to plant only feminized seeds; the other, only allow female clones. I can imagine a lot of resistance to both ideas, but they might be the best options unless someone can come up with a better idea. Finally, I can’t see telling half of Oregon they can’t grow hemp. It’s a form of prohibition; besides, the tables could then be turned so that the other half can’t grow marijuana.

    • Doc Deadhead

      Quality medical grade cannabis should be grown indoors where pests and diseases can be completely eliminated. I don’t want anything that a bug had a chance to eat, breed and shit on.

      Cannabis can be grown indoors as a ‘high value’ crop, hemp is an agricultural product with the average profit of 300-400 dollars per acre so can not be grown indoors. There is no ‘pie in the sky’ money in hemp growing, it’s just another ag crop

  • thom bombastus

    LEGALIZATION IS FREE!!!!!!!!!! – MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!

    LEGALIZATION makes MEDICAL MARIJUANA
    and the DRUG WAR MOOT!!! – MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!

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    LEGALIZATION IS SELF IMPLEMENTING AND INSTANTANEOUS!!!! – MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!

    LEGALIZATION STOPS ALL FEEDS TO BIG BROTHER FROM STATE AGENCIES,
    INSTANTLY!!!! – MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!

    LEGALIZATION MAKES MJ SCHEDULE 0 – SAME AS ALCOHOL & TOBACCO – MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!

    HOLD OUT FOR LEGALIZATION INITIATIVE! – MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

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    Thom Bombastus

  • Troy Younts

    Asking as a novice, is there a possible way to use hurd from marijuana in the same way as hemp or am I foolishly misunderstanding the marijuana plant. (I think I may be)

    • Geronimo Winterfox

      Busy not at this time.

  • Sinclair

    Grow hemp outside and Marijuana inside. No problems both great for Americas future.

    • Guest

      But as he stated in the article, with today’s technology hemp pollen can still reach the plants thereby ruining indoor crops as well. Huge issue brewing here, we need a solution quickly for the industry to succeed.

      • Sinclair

        Things can be done to be proactive
        air scrubbers, double doors, no open windows, put up plastic. Plus don’t grow hemp and Marijuana with in 5 miles of each other. Yes pollen can travel farther, with a good wind but if you minimize the chance the better. Nothing worn outside goes inside. Simple but not convenient . Cost is based on how much you want to protect your crop.

        • Keith Mansur

          Indoor marijuana is CRAZY. It takes 200 pounds of coal to produce 1 ounce of indoor bud! 29 refrigerators running for a year to flower 4 plants. These are FACTS, not conjecture. Sustainable sungrown cannabis is the future. Hemp will take a back seat to marijuana in much of Oregon.

          • Sinclair

            First use l.e.d. lights ..and the average house uses 11,000 pounds of coal power a year.just over 1lbs.per kilowatt. You can build a green house In states that grow your in is legal.it’s simple most of the cost can be considered as trying to hide the plants. In illegal states. Also you need to consider that hemp growers Do not want any cross breed just as much as Marijuana growers. So get along and figure it out first come first serve in other words who ever is growing in a location the other c as n go down the road. Since you wanted to bring up coal electricity 1. Only about 49% is used on the U.S. now let’s talk factories how much does just a small one like a machine shop use. I have worked in many and know most dont turn of there machines unless a long weekend. So How about 1 light bulb left on 24 hours a day for a year cost 1 kilowatt of power or 1.9lbs of coal.

          • Keith Mansur

            bringing up other energy wasting items or processes does not help your argument. That is called a False Attribution, lok it up! It wates energy, is the point! It is STUPID to grow weed indoors, PERIOD. There is NO argument you can make that makes it OK to grow flowering marijuana plants indoors, unless you live in the dark! NONE. Coal is just the example, and so were refrigerators, and what are you talking about when you mention other wasteful actions, that does not make your argument better. That’s a the point is, it is a WASTE of energy when it can be grown BIGGER, BETTER, and SWEETER outside. Indoor growers should get their head out of their asses! Nasty bud, NOT organic, adding crap like “Bud Builder” and “Bud Sugar”…that’s just nasty crap. They should charge commercial grows indoor more for power, more for licensing, and more for inspections.

            Legislate indoor commercial grows out of business, because it is stupid, wrong, and bad for the planet.

          • Sinclair

            You know what the onlything I was getting at is hemp growers and Marijuana growers should come up with a equally beneficial plan and work it out.
            I only mentioned a simple way to fix the crossbreed issue. I am not a botanist it was just a simple idea. You are the one who brought up coal as if that is only way you can create electricity. How about solar or wind power or private hydroelectric a person can also chose to use a extra high percentage of hydroelectric power at a premium price. Now I unlike you, I do not use Marijuana so I have know personal reason for my thoughts besides that Marijuana should be legal for any adult to grow for his personal use. Only that…
            I do how ever do care about the environment and all pollutants need to decrease and we need more oxygen producing plants and cleaner vehicles and factories and not just coal. How ever I do agree thMarijuana grown in ground tastes better just because I haven’t smoked in years does not meet I never did.

          • jasen joseph hylbert

            That idiot keith mansur is not sincerely interested in energy conservation. He is just interested in making as much by growing an easy to grow plant as possible. The same people who want to limit self provision of cannabis are the ones trying to ban hemp. I say we make a list of the anti home grow and anti hemp pot growers and boycott them.

          • jasen joseph hylbert

            People like you make herbal cannabis culture look like addicts who do not value food production. Every herbal cannabis consumer could easily self provide by simply growing inside by windows, were it not for your al capone style restrictions on self provision of cannabis. Cannabis laws amount to an inefficient system of welfare for cannabis growers and sellers. Nobody needs you people providing them an easy to produce product. Just get on fod stamps instead of prohibiting hemp and self provision. At least with the pot cartel folk on foodstamps they will not stand in the way of food production…

          • Keith Mansur

            “easily self provide by simply growing inside by windows,..” ..lmfao….oh your ignorance on my position. And your lack of knowledge show how absurd your comments are…hemp won’t save the world….sorry “dude”..

          • jasen joseph hylbert

            People want to grow food in Oregon. You complain about electricity that is consumed when people grow indoors, yet your ban on hemp will lead to missing out on the efficiencies of hemp. Other crops require more electricity to pump water for irrigation. The system of restricting self provision of cannabis leads to tremendous amounts of fossil fuels being consumed to transport a product which could be produced at the points of consumption. For you to pretend you are argueing for conservation is an obvious and blatant lie. You are a disgrace to cannabis culture.

      • John Barlow

        Oh yeah it can be done… much how you HDD in your comp is made.. 100% dust free building… it just takes alooot to do this

  • Michael Badamo

    Typically hemp farmers are just as paranoid about drug Cannabis contamination as the reverse. In reality all agriculturalists deal with pollination issues on a routine basis. As a practical matter I have grown several different varieties of Cannabis including hemp at the same time, in and out, without a lot of difficulty. It is not a big deal.

    And one more thing, CBD. I have found the best way to get CBD content up near THC content is to cross a high THC variety with a hemp variety and then plant out the F1s.

  • Whyiowa4medical

    In my days of growing, we adopted indoor growing for two reasons: 1) It can be very difficult to grow a sub-tropical plant in Iowa and Minnesota’s temperate regions (Oregon and Washington have the benefit of less temperate conditions due to ocean influences). 2) Hemp was a severe problem and any crop could be reduced to very unhealthy, hemp-like produce in very short order. Hemp pests are drawn to your plants like a dog to a bone. So, with the abundance of very low THC sativa that followed the rail lines (today mostly bike trails) for 40 to 50 generations, they only had one use by growers; the huge buds and early season attributes. I have seen how these male plants operate naturally, in the wild they do not grow in the thick underbrush of the female hemp. Being naturally smaller and bushier, they set up shop some distance away whether by bird seeding or by inadvertent transplants. As near as I have ever seen, the males are separate from the much larger females by healthy clusters of each, up to 1/4 mile apart. By the action of wind alone (as my grow-op was about equidistant away from the yearly patch of males growing in a conservation area). According to Rosenthal and Cervantes, a cluster of male plants can deeply affect a crop at a distance of a mile or two, but it can all remain female if all males are choked out of a growing hemp field, but seeds are required for certain aspects of industrial hemp!!! I would give a county’s distance from hemp to existing Cannabis grow-ops. Males are unmistakable, do not destroy any landrace strain, but a farm building surrounded by a tall grass or alfalfa with dirt bunkers next to the building served all of us well! Alfalfa and grasses make a wonderful pre-filter to a farm building grow-op and what they do not stop (we found this an almost complete filtration) then the two furnace filter applications prior to ventilating the operation; stopped all pollens, pests, and molds.

  • Whyiowa4medical

    In my days of growing, we adopted indoor growing for two reasons: 1) It can be very difficult to grow a sub-tropical plant in Iowa and Minnesota’s temperate regions (Oregon and Washington have the benefit of less temperate conditions due to ocean influences). 2) Hemp was a severe problem and any crop could be reduced to very unhealthy, hemp-like produce in very short order. Hemp pests are drawn to your plants like a dog to a bone. So, with the abundance of very low THC sativa that followed the rail lines (today mostly bike trails) for 40 to 50 generations, they only had one use by growers; the huge buds and early season attributes. I have seen how these male plants operate naturally, in the wild they do not grow in the thick underbrush of the female hemp. Being naturally smaller and bushier, they set up shop some distance away whether by bird seeding or by inadvertent transplants. As near as I have ever seen, the males are separate from the much larger females by healthy clusters of each, up to 1/4 mile apart. By the action of wind alone (as my grow-op was about equidistant away from the yearly patch of males growing in a conservation area). According to Rosenthal and Cervantes, a cluster of male plants can deeply affect a crop at a distance of a mile or two, but it can all remain female if all males are choked out of a growing hemp field, but seeds are required for certain aspects of industrial hemp!!! I would give a county’s distance from hemp to existing Cannabis grow-ops. Males are unmistakable, do not destroy any landrace strain, but a farm building surrounded by a tall grass or alfalfa with dirt bunkers next to the building served all of us well! Alfalfa and grasses make a wonderful pre-filter to a farm building grow-op and what they do not stop (we found this an almost complete filtration) then the two furnace filter applications prior to ventilating the operation; stopped all pollens, pests, and molds.

  • Silverado

    I’ve said that for years…if they wished to stamp out illegal cannabis production in those famous outdoor areas known for such all they really had to do was to legalize and encourage hemp production. Grown together both male & female plants mature naturally so the male pollen spores when ripe and mature basically “take to the wind” pollinating all the females and every other kind of hemp, from the “ditchweed” left over from WWII hemp production, clear through those great females growing over on your neighbors side of the fence he uses for making concentrates and medibles. I don’t know how far this pollen would fly but I’m guessing that the larger the acreage under production the greater the size of those pollen clouds could be. And for outdoor medicine producers that would be bad news indeed. But even indoor growers would stand to lose if they didn’t prefilter their fresh air entering their grow rooms. That pollen threat from hemp is real…

  • Nathaniel

    There is real potential to turn back time if hemp crops cross pollinate quality marijuana crops. Testimony, given by a grower in S.Oregon, delves into the legitimate concerns that hard earned crops might all be washed away in a matter of one season if hemp is allowed to grow right along side their important medicinal crops.
    His suggestion that there be designated zones for both hemp and marijuana is compelling and we can only hope that the joint committee takes his recommendation seriously.

    • jasen joseph hylbert

      You price gouging cartel folk have been regulation dependant swindlers for far to long. Perhaps it is time for a list to be compiled which consists of those who are backward enough to stand in the way of large scale food production. Those of us who care about humanity and the earth would be careful to make the list right, and be certain of who has been wantonly spending the earth’s resources just to maintain their cartel price gouging scheme. Simply allowing all of the users to self provide herbal cannabis without limits is what people want and is what can use resources most efficiently. When will you backward cartel folk stop maintaining a rigged economy which wantonly spends the future’s resources.?

  • Keith Mansur

    Here is a solution to the problem…Appellation regions.

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  • michael stevens

    The real issue is the powers behind marijuana do not want hemp or CBD to get a foothold. They stand to lose billions if a product with no THC is allowed to be grown and used. Legal hemp is a good source of fiber for products, oil for energy, CBD and other cannabanoids for medical purposes. There is really no need for weed on an industrial level and should be viewed as tobacco. Its a money play by big pharma and the tobacco industries.

  • Hale Raiser

    I live in Central Kentucky. I have grown outdoors for almost a decade. I go to great lengths to pull the males in my gardens before they bloom. This year, the pilot Hemp program expanded to several hundred acres. I had three gardens scattered across the area. Every single one of my plants from all three gardens has about a dozen seeds per ounce. I jokingly thought it was the surrounding Hemp fields that was the culprit. Now I’m 99% sure. I would love for someone to test my seeds to see if they are indeed crossed with industrial Hemp. Next year I’m not sure what I’m going to do. I certainly won’t start from these seeds.

    • jasen joseph hylbert

      Hemp is of value in the absense of prohibitions and regulations. While high thc varieties of cannabis are nice to have around and something that a lot of people enjoy using as a replacement for alcohol, the profitability of high thc cannabis has been largely reliant on prohibition and over regulation. The repeal of cannabis prohibition will ultimately benefit the consumers of high thc cannabis varieties, as well as the American agricultural soils and the Ameridan economy as a whole. The average user could easily self provide their own thc cannabis, whether it be grown by a window inside or even outside near a hemp field. The user would notice less thc in their product over the generations of self seed provision, however in an unfettered free market they would easily be able to compensate by putting more product into their bhang lassi (or edibles or however they consume thc).
      The profiteers of the high thc varieties of cannabis have been cashing in on the corrupt economics of artificial scarcity. I would hypothesize that any of the scale thc variety growers who oppose unfettered industrial hemp growth are also opposed to thc variety consumers being allowed to fully self provide. The same corrupt opportunists who want to ban industrial hemp growth in their regions probably want the number of plants self providers can grow to be limited, and the number of grow operations to be limited and regulated, etc… With as much enthusiasm for the high thc varieties as there is, we all can rest assured that there will always be seed sources for increasingly high thc varieties who self providers could turn to occasionally if their self provision gardens started to seem too low in thc.
      Keep this in mind – the same people who seek to limit self provision are often the same idiots holding back industrial hemp. Most consumers would either be content using slightly lower thc varieties while having affordably priced locally produced hemp food products, or would stand to gain from unlimitied self provision limits to compensate for any decrease in potency.

      Any percieved conflict between industrial hemp and high thc varieties of cannabis has been conuured up by the same types who conjured up prohibition and over regulation in the first place. They are reliant on the corrupt economics of artificial scarcity, which tends to make there be less of the necessities of life. If pot cartels ruled the world, then more water would be wasted growing wheat instead of hemp and pot cartels would keep their consumers criminalized and feeling lucky to ever even posess an easy to grow plant. If hemp groups had their way, then the ultra low thc varieties of hemp would not have ever been bred into existance. The plant breeders resources could have been instead focused solely on increased seed and fiber production. If the hemp industry advocates had their way, pot consumers would be encouraged to self provide without any limitations whatsoever.
      Only the fools that rely on artificial scarcity are against hemp. I think it is time that all cannabis thc consumers started really pushing for the right to self provide, and that it is time that the corrupt pot cartels are taken off of the inefficient system of welfare that over regulation of cannabis has been for them. If just put on food stamps, the pot dealers would survive and the tax resources would not be propping up their profitable industry by putting people in prison and enforcing the over regulation that they depend on.

    • Absolutely it did. How close were they?

  • jasen joseph hylbert

    There is nobody who values the existance of quality cannbis more than myself. I am optimistic that our American culture will benefit from more people using cannabis instead of alcohol.
    Hemp does not stand in the way of the existance of high quality cannabis production. There will always be people who go to the extents needed to develop strains under controlled conditions. The average self provider will barely notice any evidence on cross pollination if at all, and if allowed to self provide with an unlimited number of plants the effects of cross pollination will not effect the amounts of thc available to the consumer. If the person who provides cannabis for you really had your best interests in mind, which many probably do, they would be encouraging you to self provide without any limitations whatsoever. The rants of the cartel folk who have been fighting your right to self provide have now turned against industrial hemp. Keep in mind that the cartel folks’ rants are not about what is in thr consumers’ interests.
    Unfettered industrial hemp industries in the United States as a whole stand to protect our currency’s value and further allow for continued soil productivity. For the pot cartels who have limited self provision and thus wantonly wasted transportation fuels to stand in the way of industrial hemp is yet another crime against humanity and the earth on their part.

  • Chris

    We need hemp and seeds desperately. We need to only grow females and then purposely pollinate the ones needed for seed. It’s achievable!

  • ak

    This struggle is nothing new. My neighbors all grow GMO corn. If I want to grow sweet corn with no contamination, I have to start my crop earlier and use earlier maturing varieties. The bud farmers can do the same. There are also a couple varieties of corn that have been bred to accept only pollen from each other. There is a new project for you cannabis breeders.