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What If ResponsibleOhio’s Marijuana Initiative Passes But The Anti-Monopoly Amendment Also Passes?

Responsible Ohio LogoOhio voters will see marijuana legalization on the 2015 ballot. The legalization initiative, which was put on the ballot by the ResponsibleOhio campaign, would legalize the possession and cultivation of marijuana for all adults over 21 in Ohio, and would grant the exclusive right to grow marijuana for profit to ten entities. That last provision has caused quite a bit of controversy, and was what inspired House Joint Joint Resolution 4, which was introduced by Reps. Ryan Smith, a Bidwell Republican, and Mike Curtin, a Columbus-area Democrat. House Resolution 4 would prohibit the ResponsibleOhio business model. That resolution is going to also be on the 2015 ballot in Ohio.

So what happens if both items pass on Election Day 2015 in Ohio? There seems to be conflicting opinions. On one hand you have people claiming that whichever proposal gets more votes becomes law. That seems simple enough. However, others are pointing out that citizen initiatives take 30 days to become law, whereas legislative referrals take effect immediately. So those same people are saying that Joint House Resolution 4 would trump the legalization initiative because it takes effect first. Per Cleveland.Com:

The Ohio Constitution says if two conflicting amendments on the same ballot pass, the one that gets the most votes becomes law. But the constitution also says citizen-initiated amendments, such as the marijuana legalization amendment, become law 30 days after an election while legislature-sponsored amendments become law immediately.

Ohio’s chief election official, Secretary of State Jon Husted, says it’s clear: The amendment seeking to block the marijuana plan would prevail because it would take effect first.

But marijuana legalization backers who disagree with Husted’s interpretation would likely challenge it in the Ohio Supreme Court, leaving the ultimate decision in the hands of the justices.

Both sides have an argument to make, and both sides seem to be technically right. So there’s no way to know how it will end up until a decision is eventually rendered by the Ohio Supreme Court, assuming that both pass. I haven’t seen any polling recently for the initiative or the resolution, which hopefully will happen soon. Do you live in Ohio? How do you plan on voting, both on the initiative and the resolution?

  • JohnB

    In another article, Johnny Green writes affirmatively about living in Oregon, where it is legal to grow four plants and possess up to eight ounces of homegrown cannabis.
    Conversely, many RO opponents in Ohio point out that such limits in Ohio are unworkable, that they aren’t nearly enough.

    My question for Oregon residents is, which has been your experience; is the four plant limit enough, or inadequate?

    • Acidsex

      One area that all of these measures that limit possession at home is they fail to realize plants can produce way more than the proposed limits. I have seen even shitty growers pull greater than 8 ounces from one single plant. Growing the maximum plant amount would make a citizen violate the law by possessing the fruits of their harvest that exceeds the legalized possession amounts.

      If you can pull 8 ounces per plant (especially considering skilled growers can pull a pound or more), that’s two pounds from your four plants. I don’t know many that smoke two pounds of dried bud in a year.

      • JohnB

        Yes, that’s one of the arguments, that one plant exceeds the limit.
        Ohio will have specific conditions under which home growing can occur, one of which is the prohibition of outdoor grows.
        The other is that home grows must take place in a “locked, enclosed space inaccesible to anyone under age 21.”

        So, if we’re talking about essentially legalizing only closet grows in Ohio, is that still an issue?
        Don’t closet grows (and their necessarily lower light; no one is putting a metal halide bulb in a 2×3 closet…) typically yield only 2-3 ounces?

        • Ed Hunt

          Ummm, sunlight and a lock on an atrium door?still pull 9 out of ONE plant and be a FELON

  • Acidsex

    If both measures pass, only the 10 growers portion would be struck down from RO’s measure. Retail shops will still be permitted as well as homegrown. However, retail shops would be useless without any product to sell. This isn’t an all or nothing proposal despite what RO supporters claim.

    Furthermore, I am so sick of RO supporters criticizing RO critics of being black market growers. I have seen it here on TWB and other sites nonstop. I think it is safe to assume those that lob criticisms like that are either paid activists by RO or those that suffer from delusions that they will someday be included in the country club of RO.

    God forbid someone look at the proposal and use analytical thought and analysis on whether 10 investors should be granted an oligopoly to corner the cannabis market in Ohio.

    But back to the original point. The only portion of RO’s proposal that conflicts with the anti-monopoly measure would be overridden because RO’s would not go into effect for 30 days.

    It is safe to say, should both measures pass, there will be weed growing come December 3 in Ohio. It just won’t be by the group that tried to buy and corner the market by using citizens to add their protected oligopoly to the state constitution.

    • Huntsman smoker

      I’m gonna look that up thanks for the point. Funny but unless the Feds have legalized then ALL growers are black market. LOL. Still I just want legalization and to be able to grow my own meds. I do have to say I’m glad everybody is so passionate about this, gives me a feeling of hope.

    • J C Uncapher

      not true, lawyers have already stated that because everything in the RO amendment is intertwined and dependent on the 10 initial grow facilities, that it would be impossible to just remove that part of the structured plan, it would void the entire amendment!!!

      however, the investors would immediately take it to court to challenge HJR4’s validity and its ability to stop something on the exact same ballot that was pass by the voters of the state of Ohio!!!

      the following is the actual quote from Rob Ryan who is the Vice President of Ohio NORML:

      “I had an extremely interesting conversation with State Senator Seitz about HJR4 today. The sentence diagram and logic is correct. HJR4 will kill RO and OTEP since they all specify a Tax rate. It is simple; vote NO on HJR4, vote YES on RO and if OTEP is on the ballot in 2016 vote YES.”

    • Ed Hunt

      They call us Prohibitionists too lol

  • JohnB

    Yesterday, WCPO in Cincinnati (my hometown) ran a story that was followed by a poll.
    The poll asked specifically if voters would say yes to RO’s plan, versus yes to legalization in general, but no to RO, versus no to legalization in general.

    78% of respondents said they would vote yes to RO’s plan.

    • JohnB
    • Acidsex

      Encouraging but that is not the way it will appear on the ballot. The anti-monopoly on its surface has the greater potential to garner far more votes because all citizens will see the benefit to preventing companies from being given protected monopoly status through the state constitution. But not everyone is as supportive of legalization. There will be plenty of voters that will yes on both initiatives. The only people that understand that voting yes on both undermines their cause are those that research and understand on their own. There will be tons of voters that will have zero idea what voting yes on both will result in.

      • JohnB

        It will be interesting to see how the BoE, which is adamantly opposed to legalization, will word the ballot language.
        Several news articles have already indicated that they (BoE) intend to use the word “monopoly” in the description of issue 3, ResponsibleOhio’s amendment.

      • Huntsman smoker

        I agree, let’s educate as many people as possible so we don’t screw this thing up by accident. Too many care about the monopoly horse shit. Let’s just legalize, get patients their meds and keep people out of jail.

      • J C Uncapher

        the anti-monopoly bill is a Trojan Horse, it has a hidden agenda written into it that was added at the last minute by the Senate, and it has to do with the wording of taxing in pretty much every initiative I have ever seen written!!!

        the following is the actual quote from Rob Ryan who is the Vice President of Ohio NORML:

        “I had an extremely interesting conversation with State Senator Seitz about HJR4 today. The sentence diagram and logic is correct. HJR4 will kill RO and OTEP since they all specify a Tax rate. It is simple; vote NO on HJR4, vote YES on RO and if OTEP is on the ballot in 2016 vote YES.”

    • JohnB
  • Scott Rellim

    I am not happy with the business model, but I will vote yes on issue 3 because, after all, it’s better than prohibition. If I have it my way, I will be moving out of this state soon anyways. I could vote no and wait on a better initiative in 2016, but at this point, there’s no guarantee of that even being on the ballot. With that said, I’ll either vote no the resolution, or not vote on it. I don’t even know if I have that option. If I vote yes on the resolution, I don’t know if that essentially “cancels out” my yes vote on the amendment. These are things I have to figure out.

    • JohnB

      Hi Scott,

      You say “I could vote no and wait on a better initiative in 2016,” and I see similar comments frequently on other forums.

      My question is, why would you need to vote no to RO just to wait for OTEP?
      Why couldn’t you vote yes to both?

      • J C Uncapher

        you can do exactly that, and in my posting above, which talks about the hidden agenda in the HJR4 anti-monopoly bill, that is exactly what Rob Ryan (vice president of Ohio NORML) is suggesting that we all do!!! However, keep in mind that if HJR4 passes it will KILL OTEP and all the other initiatives, period!!! the HJR4 bill is not about stopping monopolies, it is really designed to stop cannabis legalization in the state of Ohio now and in the future!!!

        the following is the actual quote from Rob Ryan who is the Vice President of Ohio NORML:

        “I had an extremely interesting conversation with State Senator Seitz about HJR4 today. The sentence diagram and logic is correct. HJR4 will kill RO and OTEP since they all specify a Tax rate. It is simple; vote NO on HJR4, vote YES on RO and if OTEP is on the ballot in 2016 vote YES.”

    • Huntsman smoker

      Here’s all you gotta do. Votes yes for responsible Ohio , and vote No on issue 4. If both pass that the legalization will take longer because resp Ohio will have to wait on a Supreme Court ruling. To all people who agree that they want legalization ASAP, yes to responsible Ohio and no on issue 4.

    • J C Uncapher

      please read the my post above, there is a hidden agenda written into the wording of the so-called anti-monopoly amendment, that will stop any and all further legalization initiatives in the future… which means that if RO’s amendment doesn’t pass, OTEP and all the rest are dead in the water if the HJR4 bill passes… which means that Ohio is screwed from ever being able to legalize!!!

      the following is the actual quote from Rob Ryan who is the Vice President of Ohio NORML:

      “I had an extremely interesting conversation with State Senator Seitz about HJR4 today. The sentence diagram and logic is correct. HJR4 will kill RO and OTEP since they all specify a Tax rate. It is simple; vote NO on HJR4, vote YES on RO and if OTEP is on the ballot in 2016 vote YES.”

  • Scott Rellim

    I would like to add that the four flowering plants limit is a good thing because Lord knows what would happen with a six, eight, or twenty limit. Violent crime would skyrocket, and everybody would be high all the time (sarcasm).

    Seriously… think about it. If JUST 5% of the Ohio population has four flowering plants, there will be roughly 2.3 million flowering plants in private residences in addition to the millions of plants at the 10 grow sites and pot shops popping up everywhere. Not to mention the people that will be growing anywhere from 5 to 25 plants despite the law.

    Ohio has a population of roughly 11.6 million. If these plants ONLY average 4 ounces per plant (and they will exceed that), you’re looking at about .8 ounces of weed for every citizen in the state… at all times. That’s every day. And I’m basing that only on the 2.3 million plants in homes. Add the pot shops and the 10 grow sites, and it’s enough weed to keep everybody happy every minute of the day. However, only 10-15% of the population consumes the plant, so we’re literally looking at staggering numbers in terms of availability.

    So I ask you… what’s the point in the limit? With that amount of bud available in the state, there is no point. It’s equivalent to making a law that a person can only consume 2 cases of beer per day.

    If we had more smart people in this country, it would be a law that you have to grow at least four plants. And if you didn’t want the plants, you could turn them in for a tax credit. People need this medicine, and not everybody can afford it. Don’t forget that with this plant, we can make food, clothing, and housing. The more of this plant we have, the better off our state will be. Also, with more programs to manage the millions of plants, thousands of more good jobs will be created. It’s a win win all around.

    • Cleanslate

      Every thing you say is right on. That kind of abundance of cannabis would begin to have a immeasurable positive transforming effect on people, animals and the broader living environment. In a sane world; a world not plagued by rampant dysfunction and sociopathic predators in corporate headquarters and government offices, this would be happening.

      We and other living beings despretately need the healing and transforming benefits of cannabis, now more than ever.

    • metalbuoy

      Im from eastern Pennsylvania and cant wait for a state east if the Mississippi to actually allow recreational marijuana. Ohio gets my money as soon as this happens! Pennsylvania gets none… which is another reason I see other states follow suit.

      Alcohol is for drunken losers
      tobacco is for cancer lovers

  • J C Uncapher

    the following information is extremely important and it was copied and pasted directly from OH NORML FB page… this comment was posted by Rob Ryan himself and it reveals the “TRUE” agenda of the State of Ohio Elected Officials in the legislative branch to completely disregard the will of the people in this state, by any and all means necessary, regardless of whether they are intentionally committing criminal acts carried out against the citizens of Ohio!!!

    Please share this with others so that they will know about the hidden agenda of the HJR4 anti-monopoly bill created by the Ohio legislator’s, and what the Senate added at the last minute to completely change the meaning of the bill

    the following is the actual quote from Rob Ryan:

    “I had an extremely interesting conversation with State Senator Seitz about HJR4 today. The sentence diagram and logic is correct. HJR4 will kill RO and OTEP since they all specify a Tax rate. It is simple; vote NO on HJR4, vote YES on RO and if OTEP is on the ballot in 2016 vote YES.”

    that’s right, any marijuana amendment initiative that clearly defines a tax rate (which is every one ever written) will be blocked by this amendment… the wording of this so-called anti-monopoly amendment known as HJR4 is a trick designed to block any and all further marijuana initiatives in the state of Ohio, period!!!

    FYI: Rob Ryan (previously an Ohio State Representative) is currently Ohio NORML Vice President and formerly as President he actually helped get the 4 flowering plants per patient put in the ResponsibleOhio amendment initiative

    the statement below is from another individual who has discovered the exact same hidden details and ulterior motives about HJR4, his statement verifies exactly what Rob Ryan and myself are stating about the hidden agenda of this so-called anti-monopoly amendment also known as HJR4 that’s actually designed to kill marijuana/cannabis legalization altogether, now and in the future in Ohio!!!

    “Here’s the really bad news! Because of the last minute shenanigans in the Senate that added language about taxation to HJR4, it will kill OTEP’s proposal if it manages to get on the 2016 ballot. So while it won’t hurt RO, it will kill OTEP. I know that its supporters (one of whom was me) are saying that it will apply only to RO, but the legal experts that I’ve talked to say otherwise. Too bad that the OTEP guys trusted the legislature, only to get side swiped at the last minute. Sooner or later it will sink in that they got hosed by the
    legislature, just like all of us have been ignored by them for all these years.”

    a brief summary of the above information: in my opinion anyone that intentionally votes NO to LEGALIZATION and YES for HJR4, which is also known as the “anti-monopoly” amendment, is either a completely uninformed, or strongly believes in the actual prohibition of marijuana/cannabis!!!

    • Huntsman smoker

      You certainly don’t mind typing, so tell us “exactly” what’s in res4 that’s got you so worked up.

      • JohnB

        I can’t answer for JC, but my opposition to HJR4 (issue 2 on this year’s Ohio ballot), is pretty simple; it effectively nullifies any voter-initiated legislative action.
        In other words, it takes away the only tool Ohioans have when their legislators refuse to obey the will of the people.

        • J C Uncapher

          HJR4 has absolutely nothing to do with trying to stop monopolies, if that were the real purpose of this amendment, then why didn’t the legislature write up this bill back in 2009 to try and stop the Casino monopoly (4 casino’s)? maybe because politicians are all for gambling, drinking, tobacco, and prescription drugs!!! but when it comes to legalizing marijuana/cannabis, they have disregarded what the citizens of Ohio have wanted for the last 20 years!!!

          also, much like you JohnB, I don’t feel that its right that the legislature should be able to overrule the votes of the citizens of the state of Ohio, simply by creating a so-called anti-monopoly bill… if the people of this state vote to legalize, then the state should not be able to stop the word of the people!!!

        • Ed Hunt

          Section 1e. (A) The powers defined herein as the “initiative” and
          “referendum” shall not be used to pass a law authorizing any classification
          of property for the purpose of levying different rates of taxation thereon or
          of authorizing the levy of any single tax on land or land values or land sites
          at a higher rate or by a different rule than is or may be applied to
          improvements thereon or to personal property.
          I see NOTHING of the sort; only perversion of property taxation rates at properties, Not taxation of PRODUCTS. Drink more of that koolaid, and enjoy NOT getting your store Mr Berling

          • JohnB

            This is directly from the legislature’s page on the amendment, the actual text of the amendment.
            General Assembly: 131
            Short Title: Proposing to amend Section 1e of Article II of the Constitution of the State of Ohio to prohibit an initiated constitutional amendment that would grant a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel, specify or determine a tax rate, or confer a commercial interest, right, or license to any person or nonpublic entity. [ Hide Long Title ]
            Long Title: Proposing to amend Section 1e of Article II of the Constitution of the State of Ohio to prohibit an initiated constitutional amendment that would grant a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel, specify or determine a tax rate, or confer a commercial interest, right, or license to any person or nonpublic entity.

            Notice that both versions specifically prohibit specifying or determining a tax rate.

            Please tell me of any constitutional amendment or other legislation that doesn’t also specify a tax to fund said legislation.

            Any future voter-initiated legislation that has any economic component whatsoever is therefore made illegal by HJR4.

            I’m glad you think that’s a good idea, Ed.

      • J C Uncapher

        do you know what I love about people, when you tell them about something, instead of researching it for themselves to verify what you’re saying, they ask you to explain exactly what’s going on… and although I could do that, I’m not going to, so if you want to know ALL the specific details of what’s hidden in the HJR4 bill, then read it for yourself Huntsman smoker

        • Huntsman smoker

          If you actually believed in what you said, that the voters are being scammed, then you should have no problem explaining yourself instead of posting some vague sounding doom and gloom message. Also, I said earlier in a post thank you for the info and that I would be looking into it. Also, like I said in another post, if you feel so strongly, then help to educate everybody about what you’re saying. I don’t know why you seem to be upset but I just wanted some clarification so that like I said, “we don’t screw this chance up by accident”

    • Ed Hunt

      Maybe you shouldn’t quote someone who was REMOVED FROM OFFICE FORCIBLY unless you actually understand what’s going on.

      Section 1e. (A) The powers defined herein as the “initiative” and
      “referendum” shall not be used to pass a law authorizing any classification
      of property for the purpose of levying different rates of taxation thereon or
      of authorizing the levy of any single tax on land or land values or land sites
      at a higher rate or by a different rule than is or may be applied to
      improvements thereon or to personal property. This just means you can’t tax a PROPERTY not a PRODUCT.

      • J C Uncapher

        so what’s your point Ed, do you have a hard-on for Rob Ryan? or are you just trying to seem intelligent with your statement?

        Rob was removed as the President of the Ohio NORML chapter, however he is currently Vice President of the exact same chapter… and just because someone makes a mistake, that doesn’t make them a liar, I trust what he say’s… regardless, I checked it out for myself and the other quote was from someone else that did the same and came to the exact same conclusion, and it has been verified by several lawyers that have also read the document

    • Gary

      Are you guys nuts. Wait till 2016 and vote for that pot legistraton. Then anyone can grow and make money not just the investors in responsible ohio. Stop their monopoly.

      • J C Uncapher

        no, we’re not nuts Gary, you are… first of all RO’s plan is clearly NOT a monopoly, and if you bothered to look up the word in the dictionary, you would know that!!! just calling it a monopoly doesn’t actually make it one!!!

        for you or anyone else concerned about this situation to actually put all your faith in the tiny hope that OTEP or any other initiative will actually make it on the 2016 ballot… well I say good luck with that fantasy Gary, cause none of them have ever been able to do it in the past and I don’t believe they have what is needed to do it in the future either!!!

        I live in the real world and I believe strongly that the past speaks loudly and clearly about just how successful all these other initiatives have been and will continue to be in the future at attempting to get an issue on the ballot, they just don’t have what it takes!!!

        I, like a lot of other people I know, plan on taking the advice of Ohio NORML Vice President Rob Ryan, by voting YES to RO’s obviously shitty proposal (because it is a small step in the right direction), NO to HJR4 anti-monopoly, and if by some slim chance OTEP does actually manage to make it on the 2016 ballot, I will gladly vote for their plan… but in the meantime “WE” will work on changing the RO plan once it is passed in November, in order to make it a better plan for the citizens of Ohio!!!

        the following is a quote from Rob Ryan, Vice President of Ohio NORML:

        “I had an extremely interesting conversation with State Senator Seitz about HJR4 today. The sentence diagram and logic is correct. HJR4 will kill RO and OTEP since they all specify a Tax rate. It is simple; vote NO on HJR4, vote YES on RO and if OTEP is on the ballot in 2016 vote YES.”

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    • J C Uncapher

      smoke another one passionate cannabinoid, cause you are not making any sense right now!!!

      • Huntsman smoker

        ATTENTION!!! Ok here it is so there is no confusion. HJR4 is ” A proposal to amend Ohio Constitution to prohibit an initiated constitutional amendment (Responsible Ohio) that would grant a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel, specify a tax rate, which Rsponsible Ohio does specify. In short, whether you care about the monopoly or not, Responsible Ohio is the ONLY POSSIBLE way to legalize marijauna on Ohio. Period. HJR4 will make responsible Ohio illegal. DO NOT VOTE YES FOR HJR4. Thank you J C for the heads up. We have until November 3rd to spread the word. This isn’t just about the marijauna now, it’s giving up some of our democratic rights and that CANNOT happen!

        • Ed Hunt

          Tax rate on a PROPERTY, nothing at all about a product. Keep grasping strawman, maybe someone will buy it.
          Section 1e. (A) The powers defined herein as the “initiative” and
          “referendum” shall not be used to pass a law authorizing any classification
          of property for the purpose of levying different rates of taxation thereon or
          of authorizing the levy of any single tax on land or land values or land sites
          at a higher rate or by a different rule than is or may be applied to
          improvements thereon or to personal property.

        • J C Uncapher

          the key here is “specifies a tax rate”, OTEP and all the other initiatives also “specify a tax rate”, which means that HJR4 not only stops RO from becoming law, but it will also kill all the other initiatives as well

  • Ed Hunt

    Section 1e. (A) The powers defined herein as the “initiative” and
    “referendum” shall not be used to pass a law authorizing any classification
    of property for the purpose of levying different rates of taxation thereon or
    of authorizing the levy of any single tax on land or land values or land sites
    at a higher rate or by a different rule than is or may be applied to
    improvements thereon or to personal property.
    This does NOT ban setting a tax rate, just one that’s higher than currently would be and has nothing to do with future Legalization initiatives, unless they use underhanded tactics to do itit. And a product (marijuana,) is NOT a land or land value, or a site. Learn English above a grade school level please before you DECRY something someone else doesn’t like because they can’t scam you in a future endeavor.

    • Huntsman smoker

      Why insult anybody here? We all want our right to vote on our laws, whether we are up to your educational standards makes no difference. If you believe in democracy then surely you agree. I read HJR4 and it will nullify Responsible Ohio Initiative. HJR4 does not say that it will nullify a particular section but will nullify the “initiated amendment”. That is what RO is , an initiated amendment. This in will mean that if HJR4 passes, that the citizens of Ohio will have willingly voted away some of their own constitutional rights. Why would ANYBODY want that?! I’ll tell you why, it’s a power struggle between the establishment and the citizens, and the citizens are being played for fools. VOTE NO ON HJR4!!!!!!

      • Huntsman smoker

        By the way, anybody not clear on this, just google HJR4 and its there clear as day , black and white.

        • Huntsman smoker

          All people who want legalization in Ohio, post the TRUTH on all social media outlets, (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) VOTE NO on HJR4. Yes on RO.

          • Ed Hunt

            RO would UNMAKE the decriminalization laws we’ve had since the 70’s! It’s a safety net against the uninformed voters!!!!

          • Huntsman smoker

            Unless I’m mistaken, legalization is better than decriminalization, so I’m failing to understand your point. Please explain why that would make a difference.

          • J C Uncapher

            don’t waste your breath on Ed, he obviously has a vested interest in making sure legalization fails… he’s either in law enforcement, works in the legal system, works for the prison system, or is in the pharmaceutical industry

          • Huntsman smoker

            My thoughts exactly. I just hope we have enough time to spread the truth.

          • Huntsman smoker

            I mean seriously, who the hell would trade legalization for decriminalization? That sounds dumber than a bag of hammers!

          • Matt

            The bill does not completely legalise it. It’s puts limits on the amount you can possess, the amount you can grow with a permit and prohibits private sale. Currently all of these except cultivation are minor mistominers thanks to decriminalisation. RO undoes this and turns them into felonies. It puts marijuana in a weird place between legal and illegal and police will abuse this to make up for the money lost by legalisation by charging higher fines for the felony charges. All to protect the RO monopoly. Just to point out how ridiculous this is. Give your friend a dollar to take a few hits on his joint and you just committed a felony under RO

          • JohnB

            Please, Ed, show us the text from ballot issue 3 (RO) that nullifies Ohio’s current decriminalization laws.

            For those who don’t already know the answer Ed is going to not find, issue 3 does NOT remove any existing decrimnalization laws; it simply ADDS a few new ones, which allow commercial growing and selling, and homegrowing and possession.

      • Ed Hunt

        No, it means they’ve voted against poor legislation. That’s all.

  • John Robinson

    Vote No on HJR4 are government is a cartel our government is a monopoly wake up and vote yes to RO then in 2016 vote for a better plan

  • JohnB

    Ohio’s legislators find constitutionally enshrined economic interests to be extremely offensive – so much so that they have come up with their own constitutional amendment to prohibit them.

    Unless, of course, such monopolies ALREADY exist, then, well, they are apparently just fine:

    “SCHEDULE
    Division (B)(1) of Section 1e of Article II of the Constitution of the
    State of Ohio, as amended by this proposal, does not apply to any provision
    of the Constitution of the State of Ohio in effect prior to the effective date of
    that amendment.”

    If this were really about anti-monopolies, and not about trying to kill legalization of cannabis, then there would be no reason whatsoever to include this final bit of HJR4.

    • Huntsman smoker

      Absolutely correct! This is about shutting us up completely, not just now but in the future too. It’s underhanded to do it like this because the legislature waited for HJR4 to gain some traction before changing it, so as to trick us into voting it into law, that way they could say they had nothing to do with it and that the citizens voted it in on our own accord. Dirty mother fuckers. They just want to keep prohibition to line their own pockets. It’s fucking PATHETIC that some people profit from others going to jail, and then putting people in jail for absolute bullshit. Im not a bible thumper,but it does warn of ill gotten gains in there. It’s just flat out wrong. I don’t believe in terrorism by any means, but with this kind of bullshit, it’s no wonder why other countries want us dead, beacause Americans don’t even try to hide their corruption anymore, it’s out there plain as day just spewing out of their fucking mouths. In my personal opinion ANYONE who tries this shit should get life in prison without parole for trying to profit off of taking someone’s freedom from them. There is another word for that and it’s illegal, it’s called SLAVERY!!!!

    • J C Uncapher

      exactly, that wording would not be in HJR4, and it would also apply to the Casino monopoly that passed back in 2009, but they want to keep gambling because they don’t have a problem with it like they do marijuana/cannabis!!!