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Why Are There So Many Pissing Contests In The Marijuana Industry/Movement?

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marijuana industry movementI first got involved in marijuana activism in 1998 when Oregon activists campaigned for, and passed, medical marijuana legalization. I was in high school at the time, and did the best I could to raise awareness for the effort, attended some gatherings, and posted newspaper articles in my locker (which didn’t go over well with my high school obviously!). It wasn’t the most dominant activist effort of all time, but it was what I could do at the time given the restraints of being a minor in high school.

I dramatically stepped up my activism when I co-founded this blog with Jay Smoker in January 2010. I attended far more events and meetings than I had in the past, and tried as hard as I could to be a part of as many reform efforts as possible. Something that I saw over and over when I got more active, and still see to this day, is too many people trying to win pissing contests instead of focusing on the task at hand. It has really turned me off, to the point that I rarely attend meetings anymore. I have seen similar ‘one up contests’ in the marijuana industry as well. I also attend far less business meetings than I used to with companies as a result.

There are probably many reasons that contribute to this issue in the marijuana reform movement and industry, but I think there are two contributing factors that are mostly responsible. First, the marijuana blackmarket was largely based upon pride and ego, with this person thinking they had the best marijuana, and another person thinking they had the best. Everyone thought that they knew more than the next person about all things marijuana, from how to grow it to how to consume it. That has translated over to the reform movement and the industry because a lot of the most active people in both arenas have a background in the blackmarket in one fashion or another.

The second reason is that the world of marijuana is still largely un-established. There are no national brands, and no organization or activist that stands above all others. I get asked quite often, especially by reporters, who is the ‘head’ of the marijuana movement and/or industry. I always respond with ‘there isn’t one.’ It’s a collection of people, many of whom are fighting for position in an attempt to rise to the top of the imaginary marijuana pyramid. This leads to so many people trying to bash others, trying to thwart others’ efforts, trying to claim that they can do it bigger and better, that they always ‘know a guy’, etc.

It really makes me sad, especially when it comes to activism. We are all suppose to be on the same team, fighting for the same end result. However, all to often organizations and activists don’t work together, whether it be at the local or national level. The same is true in the marijuana industry. I have seen many times a scenario in which someone could make a solid business decision that would benefit them greatly, but thinks that someone who is unfounded could do it better, or don’t want want to work with a particular person or company because pride or ego gets in the way. That is something I just can’t fit my head around.

When it comes to activism, we should all be on the same team because, in theory, we are all working towards the same goal. It shouldn’t matter who gets the credit, or who gets to lead the charge. I get to meet a lot of people from the industry, and I have to say, at the first sign that someone’s head is so big it barely fits in the room I walk away. I have left quite a few meetings abruptly leaving the ego maniac(s) scratching their heads wondering why I wasn’t continuing to listen to every word they had to say in awe. Pride and ego have hindered the marijuana reform movement. We would be even farther along if we could have always worked together. Pride and ego are hindering the industry too. While marijuana veterans are elbowing each other for position, outsiders are flooding the industry and succeeding, which makes me sad because the industry should be made up of those that fought so hard to get it legal in the first place, not corporate types that were never there for the struggle.

If this article has rubbed some people in the marijuana world the wrong way, it was meant to. If those people feel that this article is not politically correct, good, that’s what I was going for. This article is meant for swing voters or mainstream media. It’s meant for those that are inside of the ‘marijuana fishbowl.’ Drop your ego. Swallow your pride. Don’t worry about who gets credit. People are tired of your crap, and you will continue to be abandoned by people that are tired of pissing contests.

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  1. Thymomenos Kinopythekos on

    Since Emery’s release he has done nothing but self promote, demonstrate his huge ego, damage his wife’s hard earned political capital and showed us all his lack of political aptitude.
    I was a supporter of Emery’s during his incarceration, but, since being released, in public at least, I concede he could be very different in private, he’s shown himself to be, what we Brits politely call, a tit and I honestly thought this article was about him.

  2. You must remember there is a group within this movement working hand and hand with the government to create this atmosphere there is a bit of divide and conquer going on they want everyone against each other but the over all plan is to consolidate and try to control through a few large groups over time. Therefore wiping out all the lower financed competition. Yes there are great people even working for bad companies. But they can not see the bigger picture. Its vital for the industry minded people to not forget where all this came from , Medical patients which it helps the most. Its about how well the medicine helps you not how frosty the nug is. WE should all be proud of the strains coming forth now , but remember that was created in a community of growers over years and years of trial and error. Not some kid who is 19 and got his dads seeds and now hes a master grower who invented the whole thing, just give that silly thought up. There is a reason there is disfunction and mis information there are corporations now involved who want nothing more than a monopoly. So wake up people and start to unite in this more organic , democratic effort.

  3. You can’t give away everyone’s rights to corporations first, and THEN give us back our rights.

    We need to repeal INDIVIDUAL rights removals FIRST, if we want to just be able to grow a plant in our own gardens.

    If we stupidly allow our rights to FIRST be given away to corporations and various facets of government–and yes, it DOES appear that’s EXACTLY the path that we’re allowing “other people to choose FOR US”–those governments and corporations will have BILLIONS to fight “to protect their eternal financial interests.”

    Government does NOT give a damn about you or me or the guy down the road. They care about FIAT CURRENCY, and getting as much of it in THEIR control as possible.

    Until we address the core of the issue, it’s like saying we want to cut down the tree because it’s destroying the roof, and picking off the off leaf here or there, and honestly wondering why we keep needing to replace the roof…AND getting the bills for all of it.

  4. Karen Ferguson on

    My hat is off to you Johnny! As much as you are grumbling and have every right to, you’ve still been of service for 16 years, starting in high school. In my book, that rocks, hands-down! Thank you.

  5. Still so many people that believe the lies surrounding marijuana. It makes me crazy. Although even in the newly turned red state I live in people are waking up and interestingly this is not a partisan issue. Probably as many Republicans are for legalization as are Democrats.

  6. your bad im good=laws=broken laws=ppl incarcerated=jobs for the guys that tell the rest of us what we can and cant do pff and the wheels on the bus go…….our indifferences provide livelyhood for the other half that write these laws..its a living, for them, and it stinks to hi heaven. where were we?

  7. please maybe explain just what you think he actually did
    but like before I will again prove all you do is list emerys own lies

    he did nothing but promote himself and was paid the whole time to do so as he gouged users and hid behind them

    no one did more to try to hinder me in my efforts to do the political work so many others failed to do

    some of you make me wish I had never bothered and some of you are fools and simply trying to pretend you actually do something because you whine on the internet

    if you have not been beaten or jailed don’t bother with any of your crap put downs of me as you peddle junk and think you are an activist because you use pot

  8. its as if big tobaco and big pharma agreed; you make them sick and we’ll TRY to make them better and we will prosper, its all a house of cards built by liars and suited thieves

  9. I’ve put forth a pretty simple and elegant solution. If you don’t like it post something better. Frankly I think most of our disagreement is mere semantics but I’ll leave that for you to clarify.

  10. From my 20 year look at the Oregon legalization movement from the inside I’d say the biggest crippling problem we have is the dysfunction factor. It’s always amazed me. You’d think we could unite & work on the one goal.

  11. yup 6 plants- real greedy. the REAL greedy growers are the corporate players (ie. dispensaries) who want to be the ONLY ones allowed to grow. You wouldnt be a shill for those guys, now would you?

  12. Ignorance is the “belief” that statutes designed to take away all of your rights can be “tweaked a little bit” or “added to” or “renamed so they sound a little better” is the way to convert those statutes “to restore all of the rights they were specifically designed to remove.”

    Want it over? MAKE IT over.

    Want it forever? Keep “believing” that refusing to end the problem is the way to end the problem.

    I really can’t understand why this is so astronomically difficult for people to understand? Hasn’t a century of incontrovertible evidence been proof enough that not ending the problem doesn’t end the problem?

    I guess we’ll just have to lose everything before we care enough to do what we “say” we want done.

    I wonder if it’ll be easier to get all of our rights back after we lost them all, than to restore our rights BEFORE we have to fight for every last little scrap of humanity that we continue to refuse to fight for today?

  13. The only reason I used that example was to show an instance of where a product that is not allowed to be produced in the home is widely consumed and consumers DON’T feel their freedom is restricted. – There are plenty of other examples.

    Stop arresting consumers first. That’s a big enough battle all by itself. Then we can work out the other details.

    It seems like most against this are greedy growers trying to hold millions of marijuana consumers hostage until they get what THEY want. – Not nice.

  14. Also, EVERYONE in reform leadership has a huge ego. It would be hard to get the job done without it.

    Marc Emery has contributed IMMENSELY to marijuana reform. Those who snipe at him show their ignorance.

  15. I read his comment. The difference between Rick Stevens and Rick Steves is HUGE. The first is no one well-known. The second is the world-reknowned travel writer that is also a tremendous marijuana reform activist and on the board of NORML.

    IF it was a typo, it’s still a gross misrepresentation of an important marijuana reformer.

    That was my point. Sorry you missed it.

  16. Always has been. The easiest way to spot a fraud is when they REFUSE to say the words “We need to REPEAL cannabis prohibition NOW.”

    NORML NEVER WILL!

    And based on last year’s event in Toronto…they never will in Canada, either.

    They even try to keep anyone from saying it…thinking that you’re not smart enough to understand what they’re doing, when they “reschedule speakers” more than a dozen times…once–LITERALLY–while I was walking up to the stage for my fifth or sixth rescheduled speaking slot!

  17. Marc should have NEVER been “exported to a foreign prison”, especially for what was very clearly and repeatedly stated on both sides of the border as being PURELY FOR POLITICAL REASONS. Not just the US side, but the Canadian side as well! And both sides FREELY AND PUBLICLY admitted it! REPEATEDLY! d=^o

    That having been said…we’re pretty much in agreement. Jodie has done far more damage to “the movement as a whole” and to Marc’s (increasingly questionable) reputation over the last few years, and it’s been an annoyingly constant topic of discussion behind the scenes for far too long.

    I’ve never made any claims to want anything other than the REPEAL of cannabis prohibition, so that ANY RESPONSIBLE ADULT with a need, or a simple desire, to use possess or grow cannabis have their rights to do so restored.

    I don’t care who makes money, provided that it is NOT the government (who will use it against us, as they always do) and it is NOT corporations, at our expense, and at artificially inflated costs to us all.

    Let’s get our freedoms restored FIRST. Then we can adapt existing food/medicine standards for the many and varied uses of cannabis for public consumption.

  18. NORML is a total sham! sorry you were crucified by a bunch of “freedom lovers!” that so many claim to be.

  19. I would not call any interactions with the Emerys as pleasurable. I take it you meant that totally sarcastically though :) If you’re on their bad side they will let it be known and they will attempt to smear you and badmouth you at every turn.

  20. When Marc Emery went to jail I felt some sympathy but that quickly turned to disgust. Jodie Emery’s weekly whinefests begging for donations so she can visit Marc in comfort and in style wore on my last nerve. Since when did paying for her airfare help aid repeal of prohibition? Some blind sheeple will argue that it helped keep Marc strong! Oh, Please. he had it so easy compared to any prisoner for cannabis who isn’t a “known” entity and doesn’t have their face plastered on Canadian news channels every friggin minute! He had plenty of food to eat, plenty of phone time to make calls, all footed by his supporters many of them so sick and and having to rub dimes together to make ends meet. Now he’s out, who is he helping? Who’s she helping? Taking selfies with a cancer patient, oh look at me? I’m a big man who helps sick people! Please, you’re a business man, you’re not a hero and your wife isn’t anything to write home about either.

  21. On a radio show a few years back, I brought up the thought that many people were starting to say the word “REschedule”, and that, from a statutory perspective (and given the total historical context “that government does the opposite of what they promise, AFTER they get you to vote for something”) that there was a risk that OUR EMPLOYEES would use “rescheduling” as a means to continue prohibition, and expand it further.

    I brought up the idea because there was a lawyer on the show that night as well. Sadly, he agreed with my fears, and actually being a lawyer, he filled in the blanks in how it could go down.

    His thoughts were that, under “rescheduling cannabis to a lower level”, the government could then say something along the lines of “We’ve decided to reschedule cannabis…because that’s what the people voted for…and we are issuing a blanket BAN on all forms of cannabis, while we perform all due-diligence scientific and medical studies, to be sure that it’s safe.” Basically, he said that it might not just be a casual pothead ban”, but a UNIVERSAL BAN, which would very likely scoop up medicinal users, medicinal growers, legitimate dispensaries and more…under the “legal pretense of keeping the stupid public (who just aren’t as smart as politicians) safe from themselves.”

    This is why I listened to Dennis Peron, when he said that it’s time to DEschedule cannabis entirely.

    It really is the only way to have a toe in the door towards getting government out of our decisions…at least as far as cannabis is concerned.

    Of course…if we have sense enough to stop playing their statutory games, and end ONE huge problem that they deliberately and fraudulently created…we might then have sense enough to tackle some of their other frauds…like their replacing of “money” with their “fiat currency” Ponzi scheme, maybe?

    Of course, we need a first successful repair of the damage, before the precedent can be set. Doesn’t look to me as though we’re moving in that direction, though.

  22. Obviously, “your agenda” precludes “listening to what people actually say.”

    (Might want to keep scrolling, and try READING a bit while you’re at it…instead of putting words into people’s mouthes which ares the exact opposite of what they’ve actually said on this very page, only a few short days ago, as well as hundreds of times over the last decade in other places.)

  23. Great piece with many salient points. We’re new to the sector — we launched our blog about six months ago — and have encountered plenty of monstrous egos so far. That said, there are lots of examples of generous, passionate, and compassionate folks working in and for cannabis…they just don’t always get the headlines. Thanks for putting this out there; it’s an important issue to consider and definitely a relevant dialogue. We at Weekend Review Kit appreciate what you’re doing over here at The Weed Blog!

  24. Ever heard of a “typo”? If you had read the other comments on this thread, you might have realized he meant SteveNs as the last name. WOW…he missed a letter!!!!

  25. Growing is more akin to brewing-an american tradition and freedom. Im not asking to produce BHO, which is more akin to distillation. Besides, believe in most states, one CAN distill on a limited basis.

  26. EVP (above) is but one of many activists that have rejected state control: “tax, regulation and government control.” And I cannot think of a worse “final state” if that means adults are restricted from growing and selling while “the big boys,” many of whom are responsible for the persecution of growers, become the monopolizers of production and distribution. And like I’ve said there is a much better alternative should we embrace it.

    =====

    The best “final solution” for Cannabis Production & Distribution

    In the following discussion excerpt we are asked to consider Chinese Cannabis Oil.

    =====
    Friar Ryan Jeff Jonaitis & J Craig Canada

    What do you think about the infamous Silk Road?

    I understand that you both are heavy handed defenders of the medical marijuana industry.

    But what do you think about how Silk Road supplies medicine to cancer patients and others in states that do not have any MMJ laws to offer dispensaries and such?

    Would you say that Silk Road is a good thing for patients, or not?
    Like · Reply · 10 hrs
    American Cannabis Foundation be very cautious of Hemp CBD oil from CHINA, IT IS NOT Safe for humans or Animals. Most American Companies are getting it from China.
    ======

    No one asked me. LOL.

    Frankly I’m sick and tired of all the opportunism. As a aging Hippie, now 60, I have not forgotten my roots. In essence they called it “weed” in the 60’s why? Because it grew like a weed. Any moron can grow Cannabis that may not be great: but certainly smokable. On top of that us Hippies believe in local economies, self sufficiency, and insulating ourselves from undue control from our government.

    So as all that sinks in here is what I think to be the ultimate “solution.” And as you read it let me make clear the foreign, or corporate, control of the market (production/distribution) should NEVER be considered. Just in case that is not clear. So here is a thumbnail sketch of the best solution. By all means send me your challenges to this model. But if you see the elegance of this solution, please pass this on. I think the lingering WAR over the control of Cannabis in American has not even yet begun. But the fuse is already lit as more an more consumers are shunning high cost dispensary product for “home grown” product. And that is as it should be, as that is how it has been for over 50 years.

    =====

    Frankly I think the best solution is the old Hippie Distribution System that has facilitated production and distribution for at least 50 years. Already I’ve read many articles on CO where more and more are foregoing the dispensary for the “home grower” and I think that is about perfect.

    My recommendations (again):
    * All Cannabis must be grown in the US by Legal Citizens
    * 2-4 1000 W bloom lamps per household
    * No taxes, no regulations, no government control
    * No write-offs for nutrients, electricity, water etc.

    This is MERP2 . . . as the final touches slowly come into place. It creates an absolute “free and fair” market, keeps the government, Big Pharma, Big Tobacco out of the market, and protects between 4-16 million “home growers” jobs nation wide.

    You could have farmers markets where those that don’t have a clientele could sell but the owners of the market could also only have 2-4 lamps. You could have businesses set up to process the Simpson Oil, Wax for those that don’t want to do it at home.

    What is not to like? LOL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra2fkYAdhDs

  27. Do you really want to be “legal”, or do yo want to be “free?”

    Is’t it time that you looked up the meaning of the wrds that you’ve been told to use, so that you can use the words that actually express “what you think you’ve been saying all along?”

  28. Trouble with that logic is that we don’t have another 90 years left to do it.

    It’s sad, how few “cannabis activists” give a good god damn about the global fiat currency fraud that is STILL collapsing all around us.

    But maybe if we’re lucky, once it finally hits home and NOBODY can keep ignoring it, MAYBE our employees will stop persecuting us, so that they can waste our money in other ways.

    The way we continue to completely ignore reality, that’s really the only way we’re ever going to see the end of cannabis prohibition.

  29. Like I’ve been saying for years…we need to REPEAL the prohibitionary statutes, and leave people to rebuild the politically destroyed markets, and take the criminals (including the politicaliars) out of the equation.

    There is NOWHERE on the planet that, despite the “words on pieces of paper” that you can’t find cannabis, and due to the criminality, most of those people also deal with all manner of garbage that will kill you, as well.

    Separate cannabis from all of the other stuff, and you’ll see a reduction in “drug abuse” as a general thing, because if people are free to grow, possess, use cannabis, we all know that 99% of people have absolutely no desire to use, or even try, anything else.

    The “global drug problem” is a manufactured problem. Always was, always will be…unless we wake up, see reality for what it is, and put an end to it.

  30. Funny thing, coming from you, Joe.

    Remember when Prop19 was up for a vote? You told people to vote for it, and you blocked me when I told people to READ WHAT THEY WERE VOTING ON BEFORE MAKING UP THEIR MIND.

    You want people to “follow your commands”, and not to “think for themselves”, so in reality, you’re no different than “those you attack today.”

    Let’s just keep things in TRUE perspective, here; you’re an absolute master at the digital pissing contest!

  31. Yeah, cause the main question for the mainstream “legalization” movement is not “Should cannabis be legal?” but rather, “Who shall we lock in cages and possibly kill with our “legalization” models?”

  32. @Johnny Green – LOL – It looks like all the pissers thought this was an invitation for another contest.

  33. Wow. What a great example of the subject of this article.

    Rick Steves has not said a word against Marc Emery. Are you really ignorant of the truth, or are you just practicing more deception?

  34. You can’t distill whiskey in your home, but few people would feel they are denied freedom with it.

    Washington state is an aberration. The rest of the states will likely allow home growing.

    Legalization is a process, not an event.

  35. Of course we do. But we can’t dream it into existence. State by state, battle by battle, is how we get it.

  36. To do anything less, than previously described, would be selling ourselves short. We deserve the full 5 course meal: not mere “doggy scraps.”

  37. You have an industry created by fraud lies and deception due to the tightly controlled cannabis media and information. They left out photoperiodic control out of grow books, in the US we spend 6 billion on energy consumption indoors, if photoperiodic control had been taught it would have been less than 1.5 billion, multiply that by 30 years and ir comes to 135 billion, over a trillion dollars in fraud world wide .they taught everyone how to spend thousands to make hundreds. I agree with Rick Steves on Marc Emery and Jodie Emery, they are predators no doubt, but so is the whole bunch Rosenthal, Cervantes, Mel Frank, High Times, ect. Grow books were written in support of profits to GE, Phillips, Dutch Shell. They screwed everyone the last 30 years, Rosenthal is the Bernie Madoff of the cannabis industry. This ain’t a pissing contest its just the truth has a hard time getting out when the media is so tightly controlled that it would make Joseph Goebbells envious. Its time to break away from the Dutch scene once and for all. I noticed Johnny Green wrote a article for Oregon Cannabis connection on feminization and auto flowering, both abominations, both missing Y chromosome, so bud look great smells great taste great, but gets youn high about 15-30 minutes. Patients would have to smoke an ounce or more daily of that crap, auto flowering even worse as they bred drug strains to hemp strains which cut potency in half in F1 generations. I have watched as those seeds have lowered the quality around the country.

  38. !manner of cultivation : NNOT secondary! If u cant ggrow it, it ain’t legal.(at least 6 like CO)

  39. That would be great in the ideal world. In fact, because of marijuana’s near harmless nature, the only regulation it needs is don’t sell/give to children.

    Unfortunately, we don’t live in the ideal world. We must obtain justice in the world we live in. That’s why what Colorado and the other free states did is exactly right.

    We must not forget the goal – to end the persecution of all adult marijuana consumers. Everything else, including the manner of cultivation and distribution, is secondary.

  40. Another great one johnny and I am partial to the name tooo hahha

    I see my first post didnt work and I was responding to rick stevens I believe who mentioned the emerys
    (sorry if I remember that wrong dont have time to look for it)

    I will just repost

    ————————————————————————————–

    OH MY i COULD WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THE ABOVE POST

    GOOD JOB RICK

    Ooops caps anyway
    its nice to slowly see some wake up and I dont mean melvin or electro or wait
    maybe if I just use your real name you will finally just come out of the closet
    and actually do something besides peddle copper medallions like you sold to me
    as well

    never have I
    exploited a user nor sold pot to finance my efforts but no one in canada has
    done more politically than me PERIOD yet for years some even here would attack
    me and pretended because they used pot they to were activists …hilarious some
    are hahaha….like emery they are just weak and do nothing but try to promote
    themselves

    its a long story
    and yes I was active in the states too (original Safer member….also in nevada
    etc….etc and cheech and chong to me are mere emery like fools in fact they
    would do nothing to help til tommy got busted
    and cheech didnt even use cannabis and probably still doesnt

    I have been abused
    so much doing this work for over 20 years and am as we speak even again being
    attacked by even our prime minister actually and I would not doubt they jail me
    again some how even again as innocent as they already did decades ago

    I say it was never
    about me and yes with idiots and flakes like emery trying to pretend that what
    I did they were some how responsible for my efforts I do now speak up and
    stopped emerys liberal run dana larsens sensible bc decrim crap (senseless BS)
    and much much more and some day when we are all free I am sure all will come
    out but hey people it aint over YET !!!

    Still time for all
    you fake named fakes to get actually involved and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING EH

    I imagine although they are making me disappear from google some is still out
    there but this may help

    any need help dont ever hesitate to holler eh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRn-t7R4NOg

    or maybe

    http://pottalk.ning.com/forum/topics/the-truth-about-marc-emerynot
    http://shavluk.com/

    ( I have let juror.ca go dead now and am on the way myself it looks like as I just cant bother with much these days actually and I would ask how do you fight thr levels of evil I have actually seen ….forget it)

    Cheers eh

  41. Obviously, you want to see what you want to see, and not what I’ve actually been saying for a decade already.

    I am not the one making a simple issue excessively complex. I simplified the solution down to only THREE WORDS, and one word merely signified that the first two SIMPLE steps had been done!
    What part of “repeal cannabis prohibition, and it’s OVER” is “much more complex than it needs to be?”

    You can’t “end” prohibition without repealing the statutes which created, expanded, and maintained it, and you’ll NEVER “end the problem” by “writing more words on more pieces of paper and adding the new pieces of paper onto the existing pile”, which is EXACTLY what 99% of those who do NOT want prohibition over want to continue on with.

    Or maybe you’re right, and

    1) DEschedule.
    2) Repeal.
    3) DONE!

    really is “just me making things out to be more complex than they need to be.”

    I guess you’ll just have to tell me what I really think on this, as well…what with all these trees blocking “MY” view…

  42. Whyiowa4medical on

    I could care less if I am a by-line in the research I have almost completed. I have seen fame in another industry and I was amazed how quickly these morons who got a $25,000 ticket out of Iowa came back with their contracts broken over blasting heroin like they had a right to treat their bodies like a corpse in a medical lab!!! I am not the next Jack Herer, but I could tell you stories from the streets that would make you roll over in laughter beyond Cheech & Chong, and actually make you laugh at some of the same prison antics. Is this what I want for the rest of my life? To be one of the Clown Princes of cannabis? Hell no, I just want to live in the same America a few states get to enjoy. I could care less about taxes, what I see in dispensary lists, it really isn’t that far off the street prices in illegal states. I used to sell high grade sativa of my own grow facility at $45 for a 1/4 and $22.50 for an 8-ball, as did my collective members while some charged the same for “couch-lock” indica. All this took place from 1985-1991 and in 2003, for a year, I had 3 full crops I sold for $160/oz.!!! If the cost of living went up at that pace, a Walmart job could support anyone at their current wage paid!!! Anyone could drive anywhere with gas at $.65 to $.75 cents, up to $1.08 in ’03.
    The next hero’s of the cannabis industry will be the many researchers that PROVE Nixon was an insane megalomaniac, and that Anslinger suffered McCarthyism worse than McCarthy himself. These are easily proven by the open record of historic fact, Jack published so many of the lies told to us in “The Emperor Wears No Clothes.” It does not fall on us to be the new gunslingers for cannabis; it falls upon us to prove they were correct and we have been wrongfully denied things it is our right as human beings to consume.
    Is everyone happy with this stopping with cannabis? Peyote and Mushrooms are commonly used in this country and REAL interest is growing in the psychiatric community for the return of LSD. Research is underway today on these very things to be used as commonly as fireworks!!! Not everyday, but often enough to keep the cobwebs cleaned out. The lions share of psychiatrists are sorry they missed those days, and to a one want to be the next Timothy Leary only to do it right this time. They see the friends and colleagues of Albert Hoffman, and Hoffman himself with that look of a distant love in their eyes, and they just have to know what these pioneers knew!!! So, do we have to have a second war? Watch the documentary on YouTube “Hoffmann’s Potion,” and you will see exactly what I mean.

  43. I worked in high-tech corporate America for a number of years. I noticed that the male managers at the company spent far more time trying to one up each other then they did trying to actually get their jobs done. I don’t think the issue you were talking about is only a problem in the cannabis movement. Pissing contest seem to be everywhere.

  44. Sorry. It just seems you can’t see the forest for the trees. You make an issue much more complex than it needs to be.

    End the fraudulent marijuana prohibition – period.

  45. Whyiowa4medical on

    You can bet he is, Rick!!! You can bet he is. Jeanie does read Johnny’s blog BTW, and is on a professional’s site we share!!! Why don’t we pick up the sword he once wielded? Some of these kids are too young to know the antics of Cheech and Chong and Hunter S. Thompson had a tendency to actually happen. Some of us have had crazier shit happen!!! Funnier too, I had a site of MMJ nurses cracking up over my great hash eating experience!!! I will never forgive High Times for the order which they presented “Confessions of a Hashish Eater.” Looking back it was funnier than hell, and only something that would happen to the great writers of our time.

  46. Well see, there you go – pissing on the “legalization” movement. (Sarcasm!) The mainstream “legalization” is using the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act of 1937 as the starting point for their “legalization” model. I agree with you; if people can still be locked in a cage then it isn’t really “legal”.

  47. Put another way, it doesn’t matter “whose dick is bigger on the internet”, because, in the real world, if we keep doing what we’re doing, and refusing to do what needs to be done (i.e: REPEAL cannabis prohibition WORLDWIDE), we’re ALL quite mightily fucked.

    The biggest problem we’ve got to overcome is our wilfuly ignorant and unproductive “limited geographical bias” in trying to fix what we ALL know is a GLOBAL PROBLEM.

  48. OH! Even further back, linguistically! I have been bested, alas… d=^o

    Those who’ve been on the planet longest have also seen the most, so common sense dictates that, should those people have also THOUGHT the most about what they’ve seen, they MUST, by definition, have something more to say about it. d;o)

  49. Frankly, as someone involved in this “fools crusade” since 1968, I find this article very far off the mark. There is no need for a pyrimidal structure and in fact the Hippie Distribution System has worked very well over the last 50 years and has resulted in no deaths. Ask Big Pharma what there record on annual deaths and it is around 80,000 deaths per year.

    =====

    The best “final solution” for Cannabis Production & Distribution

    In the following discussion excerpt we are asked to consider Chinese Cannabis Oil.

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    Friar Ryan Jeff Jonaitis & J Craig Canada

    What do you think about the infamous Silk Road?

    I understand that you both are heavy handed defenders of the medical marijuana industry.

    But what do you think about how Silk Road supplies medicine to cancer patients and others in states that do not have any MMJ laws to offer dispensaries and such?

    Would you say that Silk Road is a good thing for patients, or not?
    Like · Reply · 10 hrs
    American Cannabis Foundation be very cautious of Hemp CBD oil from CHINA, IT IS NOT Safe for humans or Animals. Most American Companies are getting it from China.
    ======

    No one asked me. LOL.

    Frankly I’m sick and tired of all the opportunism. As a aging Hippie, now 60, I have not forgotten my roots. In essence they called it “weed” in the 60’s why? Because it grew like a weed. Any moron can grow Cannabis that may not be great: but certainly smokable. On top of that us Hippies believe in local economies, self sufficiency, and insulating ourselves from undue control from our government.

    So as all that sinks in here is what I think to be the ultimate “solution.” And as you read it let me make clear the foreign, or corporate, control of the market (production/distribution) should NEVER be considered. Just in case that is not clear. So here is a thumbnail sketch of the best solution. By all means send me your challenges to this model. But if you see the elegance of this solution, please pass this on. I think the lingering WAR over the control of Cannabis in American has not even yet begun. But the fuse is already lit as more an more consumers are shunning high cost dispensary product for “home grown” product. And that is as it should be, as that is how it has been for over 50 years.

    =====

    Frankly I think the best solution is the old Hippie Distribution System that has facilitated production and distribution for at least 50 years. Already I’ve read many articles on CO where more and more are foregoing the dispensary for the “home grower” and I think that is about perfect.

    My recommendations (again):
    * All Cannabis must be grown in the US by Legal Citizens
    * 2-4 1000 W bloom lamps per household
    * No taxes, no regulations, no government control
    * No write-offs for nutrients, electricity, water etc.

    This is MERP2 . . . as the final touches slowly come into place. It creates an absolute “free and fair” market, keeps the government, Big Pharma, Big Tobacco out of the market, and protects between 4-16 million “home growers” jobs nation wide.

    You could have farmers markets where those that don’t have a clientele could sell but the owners of the market could also only have 2-4 lamps. You could have businesses set up to process the Simpson Oil, Wax for those that don’t want to do it at home.

    What is not to like? LOL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra2fkYAdhDs

  50. Jack’s last speech:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ldCLNjbf8

    And in every conversation where we discussed cannabis (which is most of them), Rick and I have completely agreed that the ONLY solution to cannabis prohibition is the ONLY THING WE’VE NEVER TRIED, and that is the REPEAL of the statutes which stole our rights.

    Repeal the prohibitionary statutes, and we don’t “become legal”, but we have our freedoms restored, with the removal of the “words on pieces of paper written by OUR EMPLOYEES” that took them away, without our knowledge or consent, and based on what we all know is nothing more then fraudulent grounds, which have ALL been well disproven over the last century.

    It’s time to end the fraud.

  51. Well, seein’ as I ain’t no kinda “perfeshnul politicaliar”…air now an’ a’gin, ah use this here shoulder box fer more’n jess keepin’ muh neck from frayin’ at th’ end. d;o)

    The truth is still the truth…even when “big money” and “big names” and “big egos” and “big government” and “big organizations” continue to tell us otherwise…

  52. That’s how it should be. If you want to grow your own, you should be able to. If you want to sell what you grow, you should be able to. If you want to give away what you grow to others, you should be able to.

    Also, if you want to process them for mass consumption, there should be health and food regulations to ensure the safety and quality and purity of what you’re selling.

    The ONLY difference that I can see is that nobody will be putting up a “Weed Stand” at the side of the road with an “honour jar” for payments.

  53. There’s always been far too much dick waving from afar, and there’s never been enough “truth” being told.

    The morons who think that keeping things “in a statutory control and tax penalty structure” is going to make them more money are ill-informed, and unthinking, in three major areas.

    The first is that “taxes don’t save you money.” Taxes come OUT of your pocket. They REDUCE your income. (Folkzes needs ta learn how ta cacalate with one of thum thar newfangled ‘lectronical clicketty boxes, iffn’t they cain’t figger it on they own!)

    The second is the difference between “statutes” and “laws.” Ever try to break the law of gravity? Ever try to break the laws of thermodynamics, and push out a fire with some REALLY, REALLY cold air? It ain’t possible. YOU CAN NEVER, EVER, BREAK A LAW. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

    Now, how about “speed laws?” Everyone knows that 186,000 miles per second is “not just a good idea…IT’S THE LAW.” So why is it that if you’re going 51mph when an aluminum rectangle with reflective paint on it says 50, and a “police” (i.e: POLICy Enforcement) “officer” is on the opposite side of the road “and sees you committing a crime that you owe HIM money for”, the cop will turn his lights and sirens on (declaring a state of emergency), slam on his brakes (let’s not worry about the safety of people in traffic on HIS side of the road…’cuz he be a-huntin’ sum crim-nulz!), turn around at the next possible point (most often labelled as “ILLEGAL U-TURN”, which goes back to the first point), get onto the side of the road YOU are travelling “at excessive speed” on, push the pedal of the vehicle YOUR TAXES PAY FOR to the floor, and “exceed the posted limit as much as he wants to” (normally double, or more) until such time as he “catches up to you”, so than he can give you a piece of paper which tells you how much you owe him “for the crime of speeding.”

    So what we refer to as “speed laws” are really “speed statutes.” They only apply to those who are victimized by them…not by those who do the victimizing.

    Third is the fact that nowhere in the world has there been “money” in circulation for the last 40 years. We ALL “believe” that the “fiat debt notes” called “currency” are “money”, when in reality, in 1971, when Richard Nixon took the entire planet off of “The Gold Standard” and “closed the gold window”, that was when all of the world’s currencies ceased to be backed by anything but the “faith in the US government, economy and people.”

    Of course, nobody cares about any of that…so it all continues, and gets worse…and for some strange reason, despite seeing the effects worsening every single day of our lives, we CHOOSE to continue to ignore it, until we have absolutely no other choice BUT to pay attention to reality, as it lands on our own doorstep.

    I say, REPEAL the statutes which stole our rights and let anybody who has a need (or who just wants to) grow a few plants for their own use. When that’s done, farmers will choose the best strain for their own purposes, fields, soil and climate types, and they can earn an income. Small growers will spring up to serve “The Cannaseur market”, and we’ll see “Cannaboutiques” sprouting up everywhere. Industry will jump at the chance to use hemp fiber and hemp plastics. (Google “Kestrel” or “Lotus Eco Elise” for just two examples.)

    Once all that’s in place (the prohibitionary statutes have been REPEALED), THEN we can worry about adapting existing FOOD and MEDICAL regulations for commercial medical production and sale.

    It ain’t difficult to understand that, until we lay the foundation, we’re never going to see the roof put on. In the case of cannabis prohibition, look at repealing the prohibitionary statutes as clearing the ground and digging out the basement…so that we can put the foundation of FREEDOM down, and start rebuilding “what we say we want”…but so far, have refused to make a single step towards accomplishing.

    Or we keep doing what we’ve been doing since the 60’s, and we continue to wonder why things keep getting worse.

    Either/or. Right?

  54. Have you ever once considered that you might not want to keep begging to be “legal” when what you really want is to have your FREEdom restored?

    Have you ever looked up the meanings of the words that you use to assist OUR EMPLOYEES to continue to enslave us all, ever further and deeper?

    It’ll take you 30 seconds to understand the difference between FREE and LEGAL.

    Maybe then you’ll also take the time to understand the difference between STATUTES and LAWS while you’re at it?

  55. The more states legalize, the more difficult it will be for interference at the federal level, later on. Honestly, I hate the fact that a nationwide end to prohibition — legalization at the federal level — is going to be such a double-edged sword.

    It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest (because I’m jaded and cynical) if those in power are already sending out feelers for new lobbyists on the cannabis issue, now that there is an almost uniform consensus predicting cannabis legalization is inevitable. Our beloved lawmakers won’t magically discover what we’ve been telling them for over four decades until they have a few corporate interests lined up to benefit from a heavily regulated (rigged) legalization scheme meant to favor those elite few who were willing to grease palms for their monopoly.

    I like spirit of the slogan saying cannabis should not be no more regulated than tomatoes until I remember what happens to a tomato at the federal level if the person who grew it dares to put the tomato into a plastic bag and sell it.

  56. Very Good. We should note the regulatory structure that we got from alcohol Prohibition. Some people want it replicated.

    BTW I’m of the opinion greed is good. If open competition between the greedy is allowed. That competition gives the incentive to deliver a product with the least possible waste. And the smallest profit that will keep a company in business. It is when government steps in with regulation that all the trouble starts. Government grants monopolies.

    If we need regulation let private companies like UL (for electrical eqpt.) arise. Unlike government they have a reputation to uphold and can be sued.

    When legalization comes to Michigan I hope they do not set up any regulatory structure. And do away with licensing patients.

  57. I know the feeling. You have to “pick a side” these days…you can’t just be a human being, and want EVERYONE to have their rights restored, even if a few people who couldn’t care less whether we live or die don’t make tons of perpetual revenues off our continued suffering….and out of our pockets.

    NONE of the “big organizations” or “big names” or “big money” people are even willing to say the words “repeal cannabis prohibition.” That’s how you know they’re only in it for themselves, and not for the people who make sure they’ve got their travel budgets paid for the next decade or twenty.

    The same people who continue to fail, after getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in wasted support, keep getting free cash every year, from the same people who say them fail before, over and over again.

    Eventually, people’ll clue in. Maybe. I hope. We’ll see.

  58. Some probably do start out with the right intentions. There are also types of folks who seek out issues, and not the other way around, so they don’t care about what’s at stake. Once upon a time, I happened upon a rally downtown, but couldn’t tell what their concerns were, so I stopped a young person with blonde dreadlocks playing with a guitar and asked. He had no clue. None. They could have been protesting apartheid on Jupiter for all he cared. He was just there to play music (loosely speaking).

    Eventually, I familiarized myself with “granola socialites” like him: fake hippies who feign “involvement” for social mobility. There’s an easy litmus test, however — if they’re registered to vote, odds are they’re legit. If the dreadlocks in question launch into a rehearsed diatribe on the pointlessness of voting, give him a lollypop and keep walking. I’ve never liked frat boys or sorority girls because of their clear, obstinate detachment from the state of the world and their utter disregard for pressing issues, but at least they’re *honest* about not giving a shit — at least they’re not faking it.

  59. I’ve never been crucified by so many people in a comment thread as I was when I suggested NORML is an overly-hyped, eternal sinkhole into which donations vanish — that they’re not at all motivated to end prohibition quickly, as that would also end their gravy train. I pointed out that the NORML chapter in my state (at the time) hadn’t updated their website in over three years, but they’re always emailing me for donations because I joined the mailing list. I also pointed out that most of the legislative movement we’ve seen across the US in the last 20 years has come from MPP, not NORML. MPP was founded by a man kicked out of NORML in the 1990s because he was fed up with their foot-dragging. NORML has been reluctantly supporting every initiative we’ve seen in the last 20 years, but they’re rarely the originators of reform. At this point, they’re just donation hogs capitalizing on brand-name loyalty. If they had their way, NORML would be around for another 40 years or prohibition, which is unacceptable to anyone who actually gives a damn.

  60. I’ve never had the pleasure of interaction with the Emery’s. Mostly, I had three or four specific activists in mind who insisted I worship them, personally, on the strength of their name recognition, alone. If I ever meet them and they insist I kiss Marc’s ring, I’ll be sure to add them to my list of showboats.

  61. It’s why I’ve been trying to push for a medical cannabis program like Michigan’s, here in Georgia. They don’t have dispensaries, but for the most part, with the exception of your registration card fee, the state stays out of it. It’s mostly a person-to-person relationship between you and your caregiver. A medical cannabis program like that is the best precursor to full legalization due to the lack of regulations — if nobody has been especially favored by the medical cannabis regulations (if there isn’t a tiny minority of people getting disgustingly wealthy because those regulations favor them so heavily) there won’t be any resistance to full legalization from an entrenched medical cannabis industry that has become lousy with greedy growers and multi-million dollar dispensary owners, like they’re currently having problems with in California.

  62. And who is it that is responsible for the “wholesale, global, statutory removal of rights…”?

  63. Yeah, that must be it. It can’t possibly be because we refuse to repeal the statutes that created, expanded and maintained cannabis prohibition for the last century since it was first created in England, then exported globally.

    Silly me, for thinking it had anything to do with the wholesale, global, statutory removal of rights, and our continued, vehement refusal to remove the true roots of the problem.

    It was dicks all along.

    (sigh…)

  64. Dave Wilkinson on

    This is precisely what has happened in Maine ~
    A fourth initiative has been announced. Green is so right. Egos, agendas and greed.
    I remember when grass was the herb of peace, freely shared among brothers and sisters. No, that era didn’t last long. A small few try to keep that flame alive. Even back in the 90s, we had one movement.
    Now we have a complex conflict of interests, largely based around money and what have now become personal animosities. A recent magazine cover asked if we are “Bogarting Maine’s Marijuana Future?”
    Compare Uruguay, where the state has set the price at $1/gram, or less than $30/oz.
    One flawless Colorado day in 1970, up in Boulder canyon, before the concert, someone came on stage and tossed a dozen lids (so called then) to to crowd. That still can’t happen there, but Rocky Mountain High has shown us all the way. We all must WORK TOGETHER PEOPLE!
    Read my novel “WITCHGRASS: a pipe dream” to see how it should have happened. Any maybe yet can?

  65. Why is the entire discussion about marijuana a “pissing contest”? Sorry guys but it is because everything related to cannabis from seeds to plants to dispensaries to laws is dominated by males. Look down at your lap and the reason is clear.

  66. Just an observer on

    Absolutely right! There are those who claim to be activists who’s real goal is to have their name in lights and will do anything to get what they want It’s a pathetic attempt at stardom. Not to mention many who are under cover as activists only to strike $$$. Not a bad goal, many start out with the right intentions but it goes “up in smoke” when greed wins out.

  67. MICHAEL NELSON on

    I was in issue 273 of high Times Magazine for freedom fighter of the month my nickname is MEDICALMIKE ! Keep Up what Your Doing !

  68. MICHAEL NELSON on

    I Agree with You ! I Fought Hard to help people understand the benefits of marijuana as I have hepatitis C ! Marijuana is always help from that time on I became an activist advocate for peoples rights to use marijuana for pain! Especially now that the DEA is telling doctors how to prescribe medications it’s bullshit but at least I’m not on pills and I used marijuana all the time for pain relief chronic pain doctors don’t know what’s causing it anyway don’t give up I’m 53 live in California so I know what you’re talking about !

  69. It’s happening in Illinois right now my friend and its ugly, greedy, and just plain old corruption. The advocates who fought hard were blackballed we refused to pay to play…

  70. Thank you for this. I too am tired of the attitudes of “my story beats yours”. I’m strongly of the principle that United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

  71. I prefer to ignore “named egos” and stick with giving people information, in the hopes that they stop fighting themselves, and started fighting FOR us all.

    Hasn’t worked yet. I think if I lied more, people would listen…trouble is, then I’d be saying the same bullshit as “the raging narcissists”, so I’d be fighting against repeal, then. Counterproductive.

    Simplest way to put it is that you’ve got two possible options to pick from, and here they are:

  72. I came up with a complete solution for everything you mentioned in Toronto in 2012. I’ll relate the entire plan here:

    1) DEschedule.
    2) Repeal.
    3) DONE!

    Sorry if that was too complex. (You’d be surprised how few people can grasp how simple it would be to achieve, if we just stopped attacking eachother for the continued enrichment of people we don’t even know exist!)

    PS: That was the long form version. (Step 3 really just signifies that steps 1 and 2 were completed.)

  73. Yup! I live on the left…just past Steve’s place. If you see the gas station, you went too far. d;o)

    Coffee = “artificial consciousness.” Not enough to get through a political debate where you know EVERYONE is lying, but it helps read through stuff like that, anyway. d;o)

    Since I’m not “already a millionnaire” and I tend to tell the truth, I rarely get to explain things “at events”, so I do it online, instead…so I try to be as clear and as detailed as possible, knowing how few people will see it, in the hopes that SOMETHING will stick in SOMEONE’S brain long enough for them to think about it, and relate the concept to someone else.

    Only been at it a decade…so far, the liars and frauds are miles ahead of the truth.

    But, hey…only another few dozen more “5 more years” and it’ll be over, right? d;o)

  74. No regulation. No special taxation.

    Every tax, every regulation comes with an army of bureaucrats and behind that an army (with guns) of enforcers.

    No more taxed or regulated than tomatoes.

  75. I dont care how much its regulated or taxed. Any legalization law is better than the current law where you cant use it, grow it or buy it in a store.

  76. You should be focused on destroying Project Sam. “Smart approaches to marijuana” my ass…

  77. You are mostly correct. bu there is more to the story. The entire Legal issue. If one looks at why it is “Illegal”, ie, 1st the passage of the 1937 Marijuana Stamp Tax Act, and then the subsequent legislation, one will find before it was made illegal, it was just a plant, with its rightful position in Botany and Agriculture. Even through the Prohibition of Alcohol, one of the most perverse times in our countries history, Cannabis was not Legal, nor was it Illegal. Infact, at that time, Cannabis was used by everyone from Rope Makers to Parents with sick children using it for its healing properties.
    But when you run it back to the start, you find that the methods used to start the entire process of Cannabis Criminalization was done Illegally, is when you get to the heart of most of the debate.

    Think about it this way. Legalization leaves complete control into the hands of the Government, the very Same Entity that used illegal Means to make cannabis association on every level a crime to begin with. Why do you think appealing to the criminal entity is going to make a difference? Should the train not just be backed up, opposed to trying to lay down entirely new railroad tracks?

    Would it not be overall, the better solution to just remove all Crime associated with cannabis on any and all levels?
    If there is no crime at all, what so ever associated with Cannabis, then who is left with the control?

    Legalization, on its face, leaves that control in the hands of Government, the same entity that made it Illegal, using illegal means to do so in the first place. Not to mention, Extremely limits the potential cannabis has. You can not build a Hemp Crete house 1 ounce and 30% tax at a time. You can not create Plastics, Fuels, Foods, Fabrics, Textiles, and the multiple other Highly Beneficial Products that can be created from Cannabis…
    None of that is going to happen with a Legal Ounce of get stoned smoke. But with full and total Decriminalization, that and more is what the end result would be.

    If you are looking to pass a law in your State, you should look to Full and Complete State Wide Decriminalization Of Cannabis, removal of all penalty for any use/association, and Complete and Full Removal of Cannabis in all its forms from your State Controlled Substances Acts. And it should be done via a Peoples Initiative (Referendum) for all uses, all amounts, for all reasons.

    So when you approach this issue from a position of Making it “Legal” today, you are ignoring the fact it should not be a “Legal/Illegal” discussion but one of Crime associated with.

    This is where the Discussion needs to start. Why Legalization opposed to Decriminalization, and returning Cannabis to its rightful position of Botany and Agriculture.

    This is the fundamental argument. And You will not find a more wise leader than the well spoken Jack Herer. Even in Death, Jacks words are still Relevant and wise today. Today Jacks Message is carried by Rick Simpson.

    So, if you want to have this discussion, it would only be wise to keep the wise words of Jack Herer and Rick Simpson, in the foremost position of your mind, when contemplating the future of Cannabis, not just in the US, but the Entire World.

  78. I agree WOwFad and I just outed two of the biggest raging narcissists in our community. Marc (NARC as in NARCISSIST) Emery and Jodie Emery

  79. You’re in Canada too, eh? Agreed with what you had to say although it was quite long and my attention span is quite short.

  80. This blog is right on, and people are agreeing with you, but unfortunately, some of the same people who agree with the words won’t follow through with their actions. They will continue to worship the “false” gods of the Marijuana Movement. I wish someone would just write a blog that outed people by name. It would embarrass the hell out of these “false” gods and enlighten those who might be unaware. Out the people for once and for all. I’ll go ahead and out two of them: Marc and Jodie Emery. Narcissistic egomaniacs who masquerade as “activists” but use the community to get one more photo opportunity. I saw some recent trailer where Jodie Emery introduces Marc as “THE” marijuana activist. And Marc got annoyed with some interviewer and called him a “nobody.” Everybody is somebody. I think people are slowly coming out of their deep sleep about these two. His recent speaking tour was canceled due to low ticket sales and Jodie Emery wasn’t able to successfully represent the Liberal Party as they do not WANT her. It’s time to stop flying these people across the world and making people pay to hear them speak. It’s disgusting. Jack Herer would be rolling in his grave.

  81. We need to REPEAL the statutes if we want our FREEDOM restored.

    Understand what you’ve been saying…and once you start saying what you actually meant, that’s when we’ll start getting to “where we thought we were telling OUR EMPLOYEES we wanted to go” for the last 50 years…but never once did.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Legalize

    If you want to be http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/FREE
    stop begging to be http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/LEGAL

  82. It’s the same old “self-divide and self-conquer” strategy that keeps us fighting ourselves, so that we don’t even know the names of those who are pulling the strings, and they don’t even have to waste a second fighting us, because we fight ourselves for them.

    We even pay all of the bills to fight ourselves, even as we pay those who imprison and attack us “to keep us safe from ourselves.”

    It’s really a brilliant plan…too bad most of us refuse to see it for what it is. We could just stop playing.

  83. Another mistake people make is in believing that statutes can be “reformed” into something that restores the very rights that they were written to steal in the first place.

    Once we acknowledge that you can’t write more statutes and add them to the pile to restore what was taken from you with earlier statutes that you didn’t repeal, then we an start wiping those statutes from the books entirely, instead of trying to tweak them, or rename them, or edit them, or revise them, or replace them, or make them more complex, or add taxes to them, or add licensing clauses, or…well…so far, we’ve tried just about everything BUT to repeal them.

    Maybe it’s time we tried that?

    And so what if a bunch of famous potheads have to find another way to make a living ling to people about something else?

  84. It’s been “legalized” since they wrote the first statute that took your rights away.

    Once you understand that, you’ll also understand that “medical marijuana” is another “statutory fabrication” designed to pit people against our own interests.

    Hemp farmers against potheads against medical users against gardeners against industrial processors against…uhmmm…don’t we all “say” we want OUR rights back?

    Ahhhhhhh…I forgot…we only want OUR rights back. We still want to screw EVERYONE ELSE out of THEIR rights.

    But if we all want our rights back, and nobody else’s, any time one tiny fragment of society gets what they want, all of the other people lose what they were fighting for…so the net result is more loss across the broadest spectrum.

    Boy, it sure is a good thing potheads never think about things like that…we could have killed off prohibition DECADES ago.

    (sigh…)

  85. If more people would simply think things through on their own, instead of accepting whatever “the same old drivel they’ve heard since they were kids” might be, we could have killed off cannabis prohibition DECADES ago.

    The biggest problems that I’ve faced/seen over the last decade have been those of “entrenched powers” and “established heroes” and “wonderful organizations” who can never say anything wrong…or different.

    I’ve done pretty much all I could to get people behind the idea that if they want any given problem over, the best way to do that is to END THE PROBLEM that they “say” they want ended.

    So far, rather than ending cannabis prohibition by DEschedling cannabis and repealing the statutes which took everyone’s natural rights from them…we’ve chosen to keep funding lawyers and organizations and famous people and politicians to write more words on more pieces of paper and adding them to the pile, never understanding that we’re just making it more complex and harder to get rid of.

    But hey…it’ll all be over in 5 years, if it even takes that long, right? Isn’t that what they said in the 60’s? And the 70’s? And the 80’s? And the 90’s? And the 00’s? And now we’re halfway through the 10’s…and we’re still…uhmmm…just five more years…again?!?

    Just how many more “just five more years” is this plan going to take, anyway?

    Call me crazy, but actually just ending it NOW might actually end it NOW…and we can skip the next few hundred “just five more years” before it’s over.

    If that’s what we really want.

    In the meantime…I suppose that the usual hero worship and blind faith will serve us as well as the blind faith we have in fiat currencies. (Eventually, well have no more choice BUT to wake up to reality.)

    Stop begging for “more legalization than we already have.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Legalize

    If you want prohibition OVER, we need to acknowledge the statutes that created, maintained, and expanded it over the last century, and GET RID OF THEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    If you want to be http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/FREE
    stop begging to be http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/LEGAL

    This ain’t rocket surgery, airbuddy…it just takes usin’ thum thar shoulder boxes fer more’n jess keepin’ yer necks from frayin’ at the end air now an’ a’gin…’course, I ain’t no kinda highfalutin’ millionnaire tryin’ to tell you the same ol’ thing and getting a check every month FROM YOU to keep leadin’ you down the same old path to nowhere, either.

    Of course, I don’t give a damn who makes money. I’d much prefer that it not be corporations, though. I’d much prefer that if you decided that yu wanted or needed to grow a few plants, that you didn’t have to pay some douchenozzle you’ve never met for some piece of paper which gives you a license to plant a seed i your own garden to save your own life.

    But, hey…that’s just me. If you want to keep paying more and more for less and less, I guess that’s up to you.

    Just remember the hundreds of millions of people who will suffer because you refuse to end what you “say” you want ended, but refuse to do anything to actually achieve.

    After all…your heroes wouldn’t lie to you fr their own benefit, would they?

    Better go cut them another cheque. Right?

  86. Cannabis use is a HUMAN RIGHT, so how can we vote on that?
    It seems the only way to make the system right, is to enforce the criminality of all who participate in high treasonous warish actions like constitutionally illegal urinalysis in the hopes of preventing that person that they for instance discriminate upon.

    Why would any one wish to discriminate if a person uses cannabis or not, they should have the right to put food on their table without the terror of knowing that some federal thug might knock in their door, kill their dog, take them hostage, and steal their belongings and call it confiscations to protect the doctors and pill heads’ interests, and all others who like leaches benefit, if the person trying for employment on the other hand is not cut out for a particular job as indicated by poor work performance, then of course they should be let go, but to suggest that no one is allowed to work is a work of the devil

  87. Cannabis use is a HUMAN RIGHT, so how can we vote on that?
    It seems the only way to make the system right, is to enforse the criminality of all who participate in high treasonous warrish actions like constituionally illegal urinalysis in the hopes of preventing that person that they for instance discriminate upon.

    Why would any one with to discriminate if a person usees cannabis or not, they should have the right to put food on their table without the terror of knowing that some federal thug might knock in their door, kill their dog, take them hostage, and steal their belongings and call it confiscations to protect the doctors and pill heads’ interests, and all others who like leaches benefit

  88. The problem is raging narcissism, and it’s not limited to the cannabis law reform movement. We’d be 10 years ahead if it weren’t for all the petulant starlets competing for the spotlight.

    What I’ve noticed for many decades is that anything loosely described as “activism” (LGBT rights, reproductive rights, cannabis law reform, etc.) attracts raging narcissists like flies to shit. There’s never any shortage of people wanting to get up on the stage or shout into a megaphone. These attention-seekers are not smart, creative, talented, or attractive enough to be famous any other way, so they find an issue and become an “activist” in much the same way Justin Beiber became a “musician.” They want to bask in the accolades afforded to heroes of their cause (whatever it might be): respect, social elevation, bragging rights, trying to impress a girl/guy, or they simply want praise from a world they don’t believe has adequately recognized their obvious greatness. Clearly, these are the worst activists because they don’t want to *win* their respective issues — their only goal is to stay in the limelight a little bit longer. They’ll chain themselves to a hotdog stand if there’s a camera pointing at it. They’re in it for the glory, not the goal.

    A few examples of behavior to avoid…

    If you refer to Kevin Sabet as ‘The Joker’ and yourself as ‘Batman’, then you’re giving you BOTH way too much credit. Consider that Batman and the Joker will be fighting FOREVER — that’s absolutely the WORST possible timeframe to have in mind for cannabis prohibition, isn’t it? He’s a political shill, not a super-villain. The Joker isn’t reliant upon corporate sponsors and Batman isn’t on Twitter. Nothing good or constructive comes out of *literally* overdramatizing the situation.

    If you demand cannabis be regulated by the state in the same breath you forbid the state from collecting any taxes or fees to PAY for that regulation scheme, then you’re just shouting nonsense into a megaphone, not thinking. Only people who don’t think about these things insist we can have our cake and eat it, too.

    If you demand your comments be prioritized for moderation on this blog because you “got us this far” after trying to have A64 taken OFF the Colorado ballot, then you’re irrational and wrong. If you believe you can attempt to have the A64 sponsors thrown in jail, but you still have the audacity to demand special treatment from other activists, you’re not just irrational, you’re insane — probably a Borderline personality.

    Name recognition is all these types of people care about. They’re only in it for the pageantry of activism as a sop to their enormous, raging egos.

  89. Good post. – The biggest problem I see is medical growers and dispensary owners who fight against legalization. – What we should have done was cap medical marijuana at $50 an ounce. That would have stopped a lot of these greed-head traitors.

    The other thing is, as you say, the egos. – All need to realize the truth of the saying:

    It’s amazing how much you can accomplish when you don’t care who gets the credit.

  90. Shiftless Pilgrim on

    I am very grateful to all the people who have given themselves so that I can smoke weed without being hassled, but once the feds remove weed from the Schedule 1 Narcotics list, all that went down before won’t matter. The conversation will be controlled by people trying to maximize commerce and profits.
    BTW, I plan on stealing your “imaginary marijuana pyramid,” cool turn of a phrase.

  91. It’s easy to see the real problem continues to be money and ego. Much like how the government has waged war on cannabis users, activists are no different. Many in the industry sees the massive dollar signs and like any new business, they want to capitalize for their own benefit. The problem I have seen with many activists is their unending desire to be right and prove they are the smartest person.

    Many activists claim they are pursuing fairness for all when in actuality they are pursuing what they see as fair for them and their segment. Take for example the recent discourse in the past few days where MMJ patients and their caregivers are railing against potential homegrow changes to Washington law. They refuse to see past the fact that all people would be able to grow but instead they fixate on what impact it has on them and their number of plant counts. Somehow, in their mind they are justified in fighting against legalization because someone with the designated affliction decided by some dipshit politician is somehow more important than all citizens collectively.

    Money will always be one reason cannabis will continue its bumpy path to maturation. Even if we managed to get government out of the way, you still have people who are heavily invested in the drug remaining illegal to non-patients. People like Steve DeAngelo doesn’t want legalization for all because of the competition. Yet in the same breath he says he feels the government has no right to tell patients they cannot consume cannabis. You can’t have it both ways.

    Illegal for thee but not for me. This is why we will never come together to bring about real change. As long as we are segmented in what we will or won’t support, nothing will ever change. The main goal should be to institute a fair cannabis effort that allows the plant to be consumed regardless of location or intended use. We should fight for the same right to access and grow equally in all 50 states. By doing so, it removes having to complying with varying state laws where in one state something is illegal but in another it is perfectly legal or where someone is forced to move to another state that has more favorable and less restrictive laws.

    True activism is about bringing a better change for all, not just some. We aren’t lobbyists looking to improve our personal situation. We should all be looking to improve personal situations for all, even those we disagree with. Our personal reward should be the personal gain and liberties for all. But until we all unite for the same rights for all citizens (patients and non-patients), there will NEVER be equality among the people and many activists will continue to play the game for their own benefit.

    I would also point out that now that some states have legalized, we must not forget those who had fallen on previous swords and were incarcerated for the same things people can do today without the threat of arrest. We cannot forget the sacrifices they made for us.

  92. I love this post because it’s so right. I started my own blog here in the Vancouver, WA area after it was legalized recreationally , and though this has nothing to do w/ activism, seeing the greed is what has jaded me from wanting to work w/ some of the people in the local industry. Sometimes to them it’s not about helping normalize, but just to make $, or it feels that way.

  93. Excellent article Johnny! I dunno why one group will even RESENT the others as well. It’s SO counterproductive

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