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Would Donald Trump Be A Marijuana Friendly President?

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If you follow politics, or for that matter if you follow any media outlet in America, then you know that the 2016 Election is in full swing, and there are a number of candidates that are running for President of the United States. The candidate that has been receiving the most attention lately, for better or worse depending on how you feel about him, is clearly Donald Trump. Donald Trump has been a long time businessman, has been a reality TV star, and is one of the most controversial figures in America right now. Putting all of his other political views aside, how does he feel about marijuana?

As seems to be the case on a lot of things with Donald Trump, the answer is not exactly clear. Donald Trump has made conflicting statements over the years in regards to marijuana. Tom Angell highlighted some of those statements in an article that he wrote for Marijuana.Com:

In 1990, Trump called for legalizing all drugs. ”We’re losing badly the war on drugs. You have to legalize drugs to win that war,” he said. “You have to take the profit away from these drug czars… What I’d like to do maybe by bringing it up is cause enough controversy that you get into a dialogue on the issue of drugs so people will start to realize that this is the only answer; there is no other answer.”

But at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference, Trump stated that he’s against the legalization of marijuana. ”I think it’s bad, and I feel strongly about that,” he said. “They’ve got a lot of problems going on right now in Colorado, some big problems.” However, when asked about the states’ rights aspect to marijuana laws, Trump said, “If they vote for it, they vote for it.

“Medical marijuana is another thing,” he added. “I think medical marijuana, 100 percent.”

So based off of those statements, it sounds like he is against legalization and feels ‘strongly about that’ but that he is behind medical marijuana ‘100 percent.’ He respects states rights when it comes to marijuana policy. How about marijuana decriminalization? For that I turn to an interview that Trump did on the Morning Joe show, which was quoted by The Daily Caller:

Joe Scarborough: What about like marijuana? Should a kid be thrown in jail because he gets busted for marijuana?

Donald Trump: I don’t really think so. And I think that maybe the dealers have to be looked at very strongly. But then you have states all of a sudden legalizing it. So it’s sort of hard to say that you’re in one side of the border and you go to jail and you’re on the other side and can you go into a store and buy it. So there is going to be changes made there, Joe, and there has to be. But you just can’t. So when you mention the marijuana, that is a very tough subject nowadays, especially since it’s been legalized.

So essentially Donald Trump is against legalization, but doesn’t think that anyone should go to jail, and that states need to have similar marijuana policies and that ‘there is going to be changes made there,’ specifically referring to states that have legalized. Clear as mud? Would Donald Trump be a marijuana friendly President? It sounds like if your state voted for reform, he will respect that. However, don’t expect him to spearhead any marijuana reform efforts from the White House if he is elected. Donald Trump is better than most candidates when it comes to marijuana policy, especially compared to people like Chris Christie who leave no doubt when it comes to their opposition of marijuana. But, Donald Trump could definitely be better at establishing exactly where he stands on marijuana policy in America.

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  1. Medical cannabis should be like it is in Colorado national citation for simple non medical postion if use not at home

  2. Medical cannabis like in Colorado should be national citation for simple position instead of jail or substance abuse treatment

  3. Not now. With Christy endorsement He may be next attorney General with Trump n he will get rid of everything. Medical marijuana too! Christie is an ass about that. Proved it already n they are already admin him if Trump wins if he will n attorney General. I’m supporting Rubio now. Can’t stand that lying Hillary.

  4. Scary now that Christie endorsed him n they are BFF,s. If he wins sure he will make Christie attorney General. N Christie will get rid of this. He even in his own state would not allow family to get medical marijuana for poor little girl with seizures. Family has to leave their home in New Jersey move to Colorado. Rather vote for Rubio now!

  5. He is now. He wasn’t at the time. This conversation happened prior to Sanders taking that position. In any case it is a welcome change.

  6. Scott Supak is right here: Sanders IS better because he wants to change DEA scheduling – removing Marijuana from being a schedule 1 (most dangerous) drug. And that is what truly needs to happen for more states to be able to legalize for recreational use(as well as medical), which is what I want badly. Then you will see these high prices for good pot coming down, cause right now pot sellers are as high on price as ever – $100.00+ a quarter ounce is a rip off!! Don’t let growers tell you they have to charge that much, due to their costs. The famous 1937 issue of Popular Mechanics: “Marijuana like Broccoli can be grown for pennies per pound” -yes but outdoors of course. I know as I have grown it for three years. The fact is high pot prices are DIRECTLY due to its illegaity and the MFers wanting to cash in on selling green buds. People are flocking to the states where its legal recreationally and sellers are cashing in with their high prices, as the prices come down the taxes on it should follow or be less due to a smaller price.

  7. Richard cianfrone on

    I didn’t know anything about the guy you’re responding to. I thought you were a prohibitionist. This is very serious many ignorant people are suffering from various ailments and the prohibition is pure evil. My mistake.

  8. Lmao. U fucking idiot. This was something personal between me and the guy i replied too. Lol He was stalking my discus account for a few weeks leaving me messages on all my posts. I prob smoke more and better than u. Lmao. Dumbass. Ppl like u and him are the exact reason ppl look down on weed smokers, next time mind your fucking business Twinkle fingers
    -L

  9. Richard cianfrone on

    It’s not all we worry about you idiot! Go take your f##= Prozac you loser. Patients having 50 seizures a day and is cured by marijuana! Daaa I want dem arrestes right? Are you a pig cop who needs drug laws to keep their filthy jobs? Everyone all together all who oppose marijuana legalization should get cancer and be denied medical marijuana. You drug war scumbags are
    Evil!!!

  10. Richard cianfrone on

    I’ve been supporting Trump because I work construction and all the jobs are going to Latinos! I despise amnesty politicians! Now this crazy talk about not legalizing marijuana is from the pit of hell! The drug war propaganda is the worst policy in America. Fat pos Christy is the poster boy for this evil. Donald every religion and philosophy condemn gambling as a sin, not one mentioned marijuana! Jesus hem ( hemp) of His garment they touched and were healed! If you’re a prohibitionists I could never support you! That means I support no one! Sanders a f##= amnesty touting idiot communist! Hillary a satanic witch! Donald legalize drugs like you said in the 1990s.

  11. As far as cannabis friendly candidates go, I think you could do ALLOT worse than Trump. He has said he believes 100% in medical marijuana; and he is no Chris Christie (who is out of the race) he would not shut down the recreational market. Bernie Sanders would be the best for marijuana policy but I am doubtful that he will be elected, as I am equally doubtful that Trump will be elected. Actually I think it’s more likely Trump would be elected.

  12. Maybe Trump is doing what all politicians do to get elected: campaign leans right…conservatives get the rhetoric before the election, afterwards the liberals get all the action.

  13. Damn all u worry about is weed. No wonder you such a fucking loser who likeS to stalk ppl. lmao. LAME!!

  14. I am sure Trump will see the need for new regulation. He will also look at the numbers regarding legalization, and I believe this will sway him into the business side of the cannabis whether it be medical or recreational.

  15. Trump will legalize, he like winning, and the Drug War is one of America’s biggest failures.

  16. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. How about I Dodge these questions till I am in the white house and retake my Original Stance of legalizing it. If I come out now, i will lose some hardcore Republican votes. So I will just keep quiet on the ISSUE for now.

  17. What flip flop? He still is in favor of legalization but believes it should be up to the states.

  18. Trump had also said that he was going to leave the states alone who legalized weed. We can’t let the Democrats have this one.

  19. Cruz has citizenship issues… Paul couldn’t win an election if his life depended on it… Trump, even with all of the dancing bears and clowns in his media circus, is the most legitimate direction in my perspective.

  20. Ted Cruz has taken a similar stance to Rand Paul’s, so there are Republicans who understand the political impact of marijuana

  21. I will be happy to move on to your hungry child nonsense after we get you to the point that you realize your subsidy comment is moronic. Being a proglodyte and all I realize there is little hope of that. The reason you are changing the subject is you know you lost the argument. That may work when dealing with other feeble minded proggies but it won’t work with me. Feel free to provide a cogent defense of your subsidy comment. I have been patiently waiting.

  22. The best way to tell a bullshitter is by what he avoids….

    How many hungry kids is OK with you? How many dead kids is OK with you? You say you’re against war, but you seem to like the war of poverty, and you especially seem to like it when the casualties are kids. What happens to people when the magical invisible hand sky wizard doesn’t fix the wondrous heaven of the free markets fast enough?

    ” gaggle of proglodytes”

    “pack of yahoos”

    So, like most Glibertarians, you don’t believe in democracy…

  23. “If you first give person B permission to pay less than a poverty wage, and then you make up the difference (via EITC or welfare or whatever) then you have subsidized both.”

    I see so it goes something like this. If you are not paying people what a gaggle of proglodytes deems appropriate and said proglodytes step in and take money from a different group of people to give them what said proglodytes deem appropriate then you have been subsidized.

    In other words reality is governed by whatever the current pack of yahoos on thinkprogress feelz is a good idea. I’ll wait for an explanation on why you and your fellow travelers are the official source of what is the appropriate compensation for a given job.

  24. “What kind of imbecile asks a question knowing he is not going to believe any answer?”

    Socrates, me, and you. But if you told me you’re fine with kids going hungry, even with kids dying in the streets, I’d believe you.

    “give person A a cash payment it is person A getting a subsidy not person B”

    If you first give person B permission to pay less than a poverty wage, and then you make up the difference (via EITC or welfare or whatever) then you have subsidized both.

    In Glibertarian world, you give permission to pay less than a poverty wage and you don’t make up the difference. I get it. Magic invisible hand sky wizard saves the day… Here’s your fellow free market evangelist on the subject:

    > Today’s competitive markets, whether we seek to recognise it or not, are driven by an international version of Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” that is unredeemably opaque. With notably rare exceptions (2008, for example), the global “invisible hand” has created relatively stable exchange rates, interest rates, prices, and wage rates.

  25. I have to wonder. What kind of imbecile asks a question knowing he is not going to believe any answer?

    And keeping the focus on the topic at hand. Back here in reality when you give person A a cash payment it is person A getting a subsidy not person B. You really have to go full r**ard to find that to be anything but self evident.

  26. “I have changed my screen name exactly one time”

    You think I believe a freshwater larvae like you?

    “nebulous unquantifiable positive externality that exists in your fever dreams.”

    In Glibertarin world, the children of employees being fed by taxpayers is not a subsidy to the corporation that doesn’t have to pay enogh to that worker to feed that child. In Glibertarian world, ending that food to that child doesn’t affect the company which will no longer be able to avoid raising wages.

    It’s that transition period you people don’t care about, huh? How long does the invisible hand have, in your world, to figure out the right wage absent the subsidy to the worker?

    What if it doesn’t? Ever hear of the Gilded Age?

    How many hungry children are you OK with at any given time?

    These coutries:

    1 Denmark

    3 New Zealand

    5 Sweden

    6 Canada

    7 Norway

    10 Finland

    11 Netherlands

    12 Belgium

    are ranked in that order in Forbe’s Best Countries for Business, the commie bastards.

    (US: 18th)

    http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list

    “evil korparashuuuns never do”

    Who said never? Grasping for straws, there, Glib.

  27. I have changed my screen name exactly one time ever as part of a tongue in cheek way to mock you. Does that help?

    Now I know you proglodytes are not exactly focused thinkers but the discussion here is not about the merits of welfare handouts. The only thing we are discussing is whether it is a subsidy to McD’s or a subsidy to the recipient. You have shown zero evidence its a subsidy to McD’s. As it stands it is a direct subsidy to the individuals involved.

    For it to be a subsidy to McD’s you would have to show they somehow are the beneficiary of those payments and I am not talking about some nebulous unquantifiable positive externality that exists in your fever dreams.

    As far as this

    “If they are really better off as a result of those extra payments then when you cut off welfare McD’s will raise wages”
    Will they? They might not do what’s in their best interest.”

    Sure that makes sense. The evil korparashuuuns never do what is in their best interest. Right sport?

    Hugs.

  28. I asked how many times you’ve changed your user name. Why did you ignore that?

    “If they are really better off as a result of those extra payments then when you cut off welfare McD’s will raise wages”

    Will they? They might not do what’s in their best interest. In the Glibertarian world, they would eventually go out of business. In the mean time, how many kids go hungry? How hungry is it OK with you for kids to be?

    “Either McD’s is the beneficiary of welfare or the recipient is.”

    I’m always amazed at how Manichean Paranoiacs limit their view of the world. The recipient of the welfare (and their children–who you really want to ignore for some reason) AND McDonalds benefits. MD can keep pay very low while the taxpayers make up the difference, so the employees are able to pay for transportation and everything else they need to do their jobs.

  29. If “worker morale” made welfare a net benefit to McD’s you have made my point yet again. If they are really better off as a result of those extra payments then when you cut off welfare McD’s will raise wages because in your view they are better off with higher worker morale and higher wages.

    Either McD’s is the beneficiary of welfare or the recipient is. If McD’s is the beneficiary we should end welfare because neither of us want corporate handouts. If they aren’t the beneficiary then … wow gosh …. huffpo and thinkprogress lied to you yet again. You should slap them or something for brainwashing you with such silly memes.

  30. How many times have you changed your user name?

    Micky D’s would be worse off, as their employees would no longer be able to pay their bills, or feed their children, and workers with low moral and very little incentives aren’t the best employees.

    Of course, in glibertarian world, this would mean no one would want to work for McD’s and they would go elsewhere. You know, that magical world where there’s only one applicant for each job opening.

    “That means absent the welfare payments they would have to pay people more”

    And you’ve made my point. If MD has to pay people more absent the welfare, then the welfare represents the money in MD’s pockets that wouldn’t be there without the welfare.

    “Therefore if you are correct the right course of action is to eliminate welfare”

    We don’t know that MD would raise wages absent welfare for their employees. They might just try to see how desperate their workers are from SOME money vs NONE. After all, in Glibertarian world, they wouldn’t be required to even have a minimum wage.

    So, it does not logically follow that eliminating the welfare is the “right” thing to do, unless you’re a cruel asshole who wants to take food from the mouths of the children whose parents who work at McDonalds.

  31. For McD’s to benefit they would have to be worse off without those welfare payments. That means absent the welfare payments they would have to pay people more. Therefore if you are correct the right course of action is to eliminate welfare so McD’s will have to start paying people higher wages. If that wouldn’t happen absent welfare payments than McD’s is not actually benefiting are they?

    In terms of “wowfad”? home depot? I have no idea what you are babbling about but obviously I wasn’t “kicked out” or you wouldn’t be able to interact with me on the same thread.

    The stupid is strong in this one.

    Hugs

  32. ” they are not benefiting from those welfare payments.”

    Of course they are. Pay is held low, keeping workers below poverty, and corporate managers well above it. As a nation not full of callous assholes like you, we decided to help those poor people. I am all for ending this defacto subsidy to low wage employers by raising the minimum wage and increasing the EITC.

    Your answer is to screw poor people and let kids go hungry or die from lack of health care. My answer to that is that you have proposed a form of violence against those kids, ergo, I propose a form of retaliatory violence against you, the person attacking children.

    Now, what’s the matter, Wowfad? They keep kicking you out so you keep coming back with new names? Still too chicken shit to just use your real name?

    And my wife never did get that packet you sent from your local home depot.

  33. Or alternatively you could provide a cogent argument defending your position? McD’s is not being subsidized because they are not benefiting from those welfare payments. If it is really McD’s benefiting we should cut off that corporate welfare. The thing is about these silly proggie memes is they are illogical and you must resort to threats of violence when your irrational little bubble is popped.

    Got any new threats chuckles?

    Hugs

  34. ” You said it wasn’t progressives. ”
    “Bullshit. I said it was Anslinger.”

    Let’s stroll down memory lane shall we?

    My comment: Progressives started prohibition

    Your response: “Well, no. Religious fanatics did.”

    Pushed by progressive organizations and signed by a progressive president. And yes you did say it wasn’t progressives. Truth hurts eh champ?

    “You were, because there is a difference between Trump’s “position” and Sanders’. Bernie’s position is that he’s going to have more on his posiiton soon, and Trump’s position is just whatever he feels like saying today.”

    So still no difference. Good! glad we are clear. Or did you want to try again for an actual difference?

    “CU is a case about book and film banning. ”
    Your disingenuousness get you far in life?”

    Still haven’t researched the case I see? Intellectually lazy people are perfect philosophy majors because it is the least intellectually demanding program you could possibly imagine.

    “actual adults pretty much never mention their college classes.”
    Sure they do, especially when the subject comes up. What’s the matter? Drop out of high school?”

    I think you will understand this comment better when you are an actual adult living in the adult world. Adults simply don’t discuss their college majors from 30 years ago.

    ” the left wing nut job who wanted to ban salt”

    If I can find a Glibertarain nut job who wants to bring back Jim Crow, does that mean you all do?”

    Sure but its impossible because doing so would be in direct contradiction to the libertarian philosophy. It would be like finding a rabidly small government progressive who wants to eliminate all social programs. Btw congratulations. You progressed from calling me a liar to learning how to click a link. Shoe tying cannot be far behind.

    “You create these ridiculous programs ”
    If someone’s second hand smoke, or pollution, or shit from their crappy septic tank, or gas leaking from their car, or whatever, hurts someone else, then in your world, it’s the injured party who pays? Because they got in your way?”

    Nope in my world you pay for the damage you cause. That is not remotely like a situation where you take half my paycheck, give me a little back, and use that as an excuse to run my life. See the difference? or did they not teach basic reasoning skills that in that oooh sooo tough philosophy program?

    ” If you don’t want to pay for it get rid of your precious programs or shut up.

    Make me you miserable fuck.”

    Scratch a progressive reveal a vulgar violent douche bag. Loved your threats of violence from the other post.

    Hugs

  35. ” You said it wasn’t progressives. ”

    Bullshit. I said it was Anslinger. And I said they’re nothing like modern progressives, because they were the Democratic party of the 30’s, which still had all the southern racists who are now in your GOP.

    “You were wrong”

    You were, because there is a difference between Trump’s “position” and Sanders’. Bernie’s position is that he’s going to have more on his posiiton soon, and Trump’s position is just whatever he feels like saying today.

    “CU is a case about book and film banning. ”

    Your disingenuousness get you far in life?

    CU resulted in unlimted money to political campaigns.

    Overturning CU to stop that result doesn’t mean that anyone who wants to overturn it wants to ban books.

    You follow?

    “actual adults pretty much never mention their college classes.”

    Sure they do, especially when the subject comes up. What’s the matter? Drop out of high school?

    ” the left wing nut job who wanted to ban salt”

    If I can find a Glibertarain nut job who wants to bring back Jim Crow, does that mean you all do?

    “You create these ridiculous programs ”

    If someone’s second hand smoke, or pollution, or shit from their crappy septic tank, or gas leaking from their car, or whatever, hurts someone else, then in your world, it’s the injured party who pays? Because they got in your way?

    ” If you don’t want to pay for it get rid of your precious programs or shut up.”

    Make me you miserable fuck. You get 1% of the vote to get rid of these programs that save lives and help us all live in a better society. You don’t like it, win some fucking elections, or move. I hear they have oil platforms where you can shit in people’s mouths and dare them to do something about it.

    I’m sure you’ll love it.

  36. You’re not very rude. You should step up your game. Here… let me show you.

    A lot of the people on it are children and old people, and if you cause the death of even one kid and then have the balls to let me know who you are, I’ll come kick your ass.

    How’s that?

    Or, we could try this the smart way. Let’s make McD’s and Walmart pay their people enough so that the tax payers don’t have to subsidize them. It will mean LESS welfare, which also should sound good to you.

  37. It occurs to me that if welfare is a subsidy for McDonalds we should eliminate welfare so McD’s is no longer subsidized. I’m game.

  38. “You knew nothing about the history of the drug war yet felt qualified to comment on it’s origins”

    “Bullshit. I know damn well who started the drug war, and that has changed, just as all the racists went to the GOP. You’re the one who ”

    Bullshit. You said it wasn’t progressives. I proved it was and you countered with. “Yes but it was a long time ago”

    “You knew nothing about the comparative positions of the two candidates”
    More bullshit. Man, you just make up whatever you want to make up, don’t you?”

    I pointed out there was no difference in the candidates position. You said there was. You were wrong. Again you were ignorant but quite sure just like you were with the drug war.

    “As for book banning, again… you miss the whole point that most progressives today are civil libertarians. You pick out a few people here and there that do something stupid and try to apply that to the whole set.”

    The entire progressive universe wants CU overturned. CU is a case about book and film banning. Good try but wrong.

    “. I guess if I was an unemployed 22 year old impressed with my worthless philosophy degree”
    So full of bullshit. I’m 51, and my degree has served me well. I own and run two companies that I started after a long, successful career working my ass off.”

    I know. Every loser with a philosophy degree on the internet is a billionaire. 51 year old people don’t brag about their absurd undergrad degree. In fact actual adults pretty much never mention their college classes.

    “You nut balls have moved on to other things like banning salt, trans-fats, plastic bags, happy meals, and vaping”
    Wanting to label salt is not “banning salt.” When you lie like that it really doesn’t help your case.”

    I already posted the link to the left wing nut job who wanted to ban salt. I can’t help it if you lack the dexterity to click a link.

    “But why don’t you explain how it’s fair to make society pay for, say, the true costs of smoking, or salt, or transfats. Smoking is one of my favorites… I don’t want to ban tobacco, I just want the people who smoke to pay the true cost of the cigarettes, which some estimates put as high as $100 a pack. Why should the rest of us taxpayers have to pay the costs associated with someone else’s smoking, or poor diet choices?”

    Nobody is making the taxpayer pay for anything. You create these ridiculous programs by choice and then use them as a justification to restrict our behavior to save you money. I didn’t ask for your programs or the taxes that go with them so what is unfair is you taxing me, giving me a bit of my money back in the form of low quality programs, and then using that as a justification to set rules about my life. If you don’t want to pay for it get rid of your precious programs or shut up. And for the record your nanny state authoritarian brethren have tried to ban and restrict all of the things I named.

    “You can take your hugs and shove them, punk.”

    Oh look the loser 22 year old unemployed former barrista is offended.

    Hugs

  39. “You knew nothing about the history of the drug war yet felt qualified to comment on it’s origins”

    Bullshit. I know damn well who started the drug war, and that has changed, just as all the racists went to the GOP. You’re the one who shows your ignorance by refusing to acknowledge this basic fact.

    “You knew nothing about the comparative positions of the two candidates”

    More bullshit. Man, you just make up whatever you want to make up, don’t you?

    As for book banning, again… you miss the whole point that most progressives today are civil libertarians. You pick out a few people here and there that do something stupid and try to apply that to the whole set.

    ” You verbally abuse people you disagree with and then get insulted when I call you out for your lack of intellect.”

    I wasn’t insulted by you. And I verbally abuse people who have verbally abused me. Funny how bullies really don’t like being bullied.

    “. I guess if I was an unemployed 22 year old impressed with my worthless philosophy degree”

    So full of bullshit. I’m 51, and my degree has served me well. I own and run two companies that I started after a long, successful career working my ass off.

    “progressives don’t want to ban weed anymore is irrelevant”

    Of course it’s relevant. They’ve been fighting the drug war since the 60’s. And if you want to fight the drug war today, they’re the people to vote for. Since Republicans are hippie punching drug warriors and Glibertarians don’t hold any elected offices.

    “You nut balls have moved on to other things like banning salt, trans-fats, plastic bags, happy meals, and vaping”

    Wanting to label salt is not “banning salt.” When you lie like that it really doesn’t help your case.

    But why don’t you explain how it’s fair to make society pay for, say, the true costs of smoking, or salt, or transfats. Smoking is one of my favorites… I don’t want to ban tobacco, I just want the people who smoke to pay the true cost of the cigarettes, which some estimates put as high as $100 a pack. Why should the rest of us taxpayers have to pay the costs associated with someone else’s smoking, or poor diet choices?

    How is that a fair, or even free, market?

    You can take your hugs and shove them, punk.

  40. So, you think every single person that ever lived in Arkansas is myopic? How… myopic of you. And ignorant.

    As for anal mindsets, why are you being so retentive about admitting what your political affiliation is? Glibertarian? Or just anything but a Democrat?

  41. So you let a personal issue dictate how you view every single person who ever lived in Arkansas? And you call me myopic?

    I was just trying to guess which fascists you vote for. Why not tell me? Your mention of anal mindsets makes me wonder what your retention is about.

  42. Just Arkansas. It’s a personal thing with the Clintons and the tainted blood scandal (ask any Brit. about it). As for myopic, you answered your own question very well thank you. As for Republican, you only ass-u-me that anyone that does not adjust to your anal mindset is a member. Well puppy, you are so very wrong on that one.

  43. Do you make sweeping generalizations about people from every state, or just Arkansas?

    Do you even know what myopic means? In this case, not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is the opposite of myopic. Anyone who refuses to take improvements because they’re waiting for their particular perfect world–and everyone else be damned–is the epitome of myopic.

    If you don’t have anything of substance to add to this conversation, why don’t you go back to worshiping your fascist Republican heroes.

  44. Amazing that you would have the audacity to call anyone else a troll. You call others out for ignorance than proceed to make ignorant comment after ignorant comment. You knew nothing about the history of the drug war yet felt qualified to comment on it’s origins. You knew nothing about the comparative positions of the two candidates but felt justified in correcting me. You verbally abuse people you disagree with and then get insulted when I call you out for your lack of intellect. Furthermore you don’t even bother to show the intellectual curiosity to understand CU and how it pertains to book banning.

    When you get through all that you follow up with the notion I am an extremist for pointing out your intellectual and character flaws. I guess if I was an unemployed 22 year old impressed with my worthless philosophy degree I wouldn’t have much to do other than troll website comment boards to prop up my ego that has been battered by reality and my own lack of worth. Btw I took a couple of those high level philosophy classes too. They weren’t exactly what you would call challenging.

    The fact progressives don’t want to ban weed anymore is irrelevant. You nut balls have moved on to other things like banning salt, trans-fats, plastic bags, happy meals, and vaping. As I said you are just like socons with a different set of pet issues.

    Oh also awesome non sequitur on interracial marriage. I thought you might have just gone with some white supremacist nonsense again but this was something new at least.

    Hugs

  45. “I grew up in Arkansas”
    That explains it all. The reason why you are so myopic.
    Now, as do others, truly understand your inability to “Agree to Disagree”

  46. Now you’re just trolling.

    I specifically said that yes, FDR’s guy started the drug war.

    Sanders is better than Trump on pot.

    What you are obfuscating is your bullshit on the fact that progressives are no longer for the drug war (just like Democrats are no longer the racists), and that Sanders has decades of public service doing the right thing on weed, while The Donald has nothing but bullshit.

    “utterly destroyed”

    You guys are adorable. Always with the same rhetoric.

    I abhor book banning. That’s really a Republican thing. That’s why I support the ACLU, like most progressives. But, like with Glibertarians, we’re not all alike.

    You certainly haven’t humbled or embarrassed me at all. You’ve helped prove my point that Glibertarians are extremists. What do you say to the black folks in Mississippi when those kind folks, say, want to ban interracial marriage again?

    Now, about that bet…

  47. No the things being obfuscated are your two ignorant positions

    1. That progressives were not responsible for starting the drug war
    2. That Sanders is better than Trump on marijuana

    Both positions have been utterly destroyed although your thoroughly unjustified ego won’t allow that realization to sink in. I understand you probably think you are of above average intelligence based on your generally arrogant tone but believe me you aren’t.

    Btw suggest you actually read the Citizen’s United case if you want to understand the book and film banning reference.

    I have no idea who you seem to think I am but just consider me a slice of humble pie for an absurdly unjustified ego.

    I don’t even really have a dog in this fight. I am certainly not going to vote. Trump is an imbecile and Sanders is a whack job so this is almost like trying to pick the shiniest turd. I think what really led me to interact with you was your mindless and ignorant shilling for Sanders. Also I thought it might be fun to embarrass you.

  48. The thing being obfuscated here is that modern progressives are different from the 20s and 30s, and have opposed the drug war, while you have what? Voted for Republicans or loser Glibertarians who never did a damn thing to make things better? Or worse, actually made them worse?

    I’m certainly not going to google your obscure references. Like who are the progressives who want to ban books? Going back to the 20’s again?

    As for white power, someone who follows a political philosophy that would allow states to return to Jim Crow by getting rid of the Civil Rights act, well, there you are. Jim Crow.

    The thing you’re not obfuscating is your writing style, which is oddly similar to someone who no longer comments here. Maybe just a coincidence.

  49. Regardless of what you would like to obfuscate their stated policy positions are no different. I am not sure why you are going down this road. It isn’t going to end any better for you than your assertion that the drug war wasn’t a progressive project.

    If you don’t understand the deodorant reference I suggest you try google. As for the white power comment you are just making yourself look stupid. As a libertarian I of course 100% support your right to do that. I am not one of those progressives who want McCain Feingold enforced so the government can go ban books and films that have scary or in your case feeble minded ideas.

  50. As of now their official positions are that Bernie Sanders has decades of public service in which he has decriminalized (as mayor of Burlington) and where he has voted the right way on every marijuana issue in DC, since 1991. What has your hero The Donald done?

    That’s policy. You know, actual votes. Actual leadership on issues. Actual elected offices being held wherein differences can be made.

    And it is Bernie’s policy that he’s going to announce his policy on weed soon. Again, what is the Donald going to announce in order to get the GOP nomination? That he’s personally going to punch any dirty hippie who dares to toke on a joint without a prescription?

    ” deodorant choices”

    WTF? Talk in code to your White Power buddies. I’m going to need actual explanations for this crap.

  51. That is not a difference in policy. As of now their official positions are the same so as of now Sanders is no better on the issue. I am confused though. With progressives being all about freedom and all what is there to consider? Unless of course he is trying to decide if this is one of those areas like deodorant choices where our lives might need to be micromanaged a bit?

  52. Sanders’ stated policy is that he will be issuing a policy statement on the matter soon. He has not ruled out legalization.

    Has Trump said he’ll be saying something about marijuana policy any time soon? If not, then the difference between them is that Sanders has stated that he will have a definitive answer on marijuana policy soon, while Trump has not.

    Insult comedians don’t need policy papers. Whatever they do will be YOUUUGE and will MAKE YOUR HEAD SPIN.

  53. So Sander’s has no stated policy on legalization. Hence there is no difference in that stated policy. If Sanders comes out for legalization there will be a difference. He in fact may in which case my statement above will no longer be true. I consider his hesitance to do the right thing to be a severe character flaw so I am not optimistic but it would be great to be surprised.

  54. You, before: “There is no stated difference between the two in stated policies.”

    You now: “No position is equal to Trump.”

    “refuses to endorse legalization as does trump”

    Sanders has said stand by for my marijuana platform. Has Trump? Should we expect a two page double spaced answer that says “I’ll be so awesome on marijuana that your head will spin?”

    Let’s see where Bernie goes, eh? We could even place a little bet. Loser pays winners charity.

  55. “Do you have any idea how much reading I had to do to get a BA in Philosophy? Yeah, I read Benitto. Spare me your appeals to authority that you don’t have.”

    Starting with an appeal to yourself as an authority followed by an argument against an appeal to authority followed again by your appeal to authority from some yahoo nobody has ever heard of. Mussolini invented fascism so my description is more relevant than yours and Mussolini’s fascism is quite close to the progressive agenda. Again really more cousins but good enough for government work.

    Side note you can stop talking about my buddy social conservatives. They are your fellow progressives and I despise you all.

    Bank bailouts – progressives overwhelmingly supported them. Check the votes in congress.

    Solar subsidies – lame justification for a direct fascist policy of intermingling government and big business.

    ” One of his core tenants is the welfare of the individual is subordinate to the needs of the collective and the state.”

    “Show me a modern progressive who believes this as Mussolini did.”

    You. Next question? Balanced against the needs of the collective is another way to say the collective comes first.

    “Bullshit. Progressives want the government to warn you about what salt can do to your blood pressure,”

    As you said BS or ignorant BS if I can be more specific but then again you are the guy who thinks progressives didn’t start the drug war.

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/pass-the-salt-ban/?_r=0

    Or one of your many progressive vaping bans perhaps?

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2014/04/8544438/ban-e-cigarettes-takes-effect-today

    We could also talk happy meal bans, or plastic bag bans, or powdered alcohol bans or uber bans or any of the other things you control freak yahoos are doing to try to micromanage our lives. In your twisted world view however you are not some authoritarian looking to dictate the minutia of people’s lives. You are different because you mean well ….. just like the social conservatives.

    And just to remind you the drug war is a progressive project created by progressives and supported by progressives as well as socons who are of course also progressives.

  56. No I said

    “Sanders is no better on marijuana than Trump”

    And he isn’t. [Insert reading comprehension joke here].

  57. First off, I see you left some comment I can’t find. I sure as heck didn’t delete anything, so go whine to someone else.

    “I am glad you acknowledge the drug war was started by a progressive”

    IN THE 30’s. Things are different now. Progressives in congress, and in state legislatures, ALMOST ALL are against the drug war and have been since the 60’s.

    “Moving on you seem to be confused by the idea that a religious person can also be a progressive.”

    I’m in no way confused about that. Fact is that the prohibition people were mostly religious, mostly women, and they weren’t just progressives.

    And, again, that was almost 100 years ago. It has very little to do with progressives today, the vast majority of whom are FOR ending the drug war.

    ” I can go on as needed.”

    Oh, I’m sure you can. But that won’t change the fact that that was then, and this is now. It’s like when wingnuts argue that the Democrats are the real racists because the dixicrats supported Jim Crow. We all know (well, at least most of us) that this changed when LBJ signed the civil rights act and your boys in the GOP developed, and implemented, the Southern Strategy, wherein the proponents of segregation became Republicans.

    Today’s progressives have been against the drug war since the hippie punching culture war began in the 60’s, and all your little history lessons showing how progressives were involved in Prohibition almost 100 years ago mean diddly squat now.

    “The progressive doctrine is effectively that society can be improved through direct intervention by the state.”

    Where do you get this shit? Read the CPC’s budgets from the last few years. You’ll see “intervention” in the form of infrastructure and education investments and a strong social safety net. You will also see cutting defense spending, ways to make police less deadly, and various other libertarian issues, including ending the drug war, and ending the mass surveilance under the Patriot Act and various other Republican laws that take away our civil liberties.

    In fact, when it comes to civil liberties, progressives are light years ahead of your “small government” GOP buddies.

    “progressives want to force you to eat less salt.”

    Bullshit. Progressives want the government to warn you about what salt can do to your blood pressure, and we want to label food items so people can work from a place of knowledge. But we sure as hell don’t want to send a cop into your kitchen to watch how much salt you put on food.

    My version of progressiveness would require that you pay more for the salt in order to cover the added expense of dealing with your health problems in the future.

    But you know, socons want to force women to give birth to rape babies. Guess you avoided abortion for a reason, HUH? Preserving a woman’s right to choose is a pretty damn big freedom that progressives want to keep the government out of, while your buddy Mike Huckabee would, presumably, jail rape victims until the baby is born.

    “Progressives want to restrict vaping, conservatives want to restrict marijuana.”

    Funny how you don’t give any examples. Progressives want to make sure that people who, say, smoke cigarettes pay their fair share of what smoking cigarettes costs society. I’ve seen studies that say the true price of a pack of cigs should be between $25 and $100 a pack. That’s what they really cost. But when tobacco companies sell them for $10, we all have to make up the difference. How is that fair? How is that even a free market? It’s not. It’s cost-shifting, something you Glibertarians never want to talk about.

    “As far as fascism it is clear from your comments you never actually read Mussolini. If you had you would recognize the progressive nature of fascism.”

    Did you read the list I posted above? I’ll post it again below to help you out.

    Do you even know that the writer of that list took most of that from Mussolini? Do you have any idea how much reading I had to do to get a BA in Philosophy? Yeah, I read Benitto. Spare me your appeals to authority that you don’t have.

    ” One of his core tenants is the welfare of the individual is subordinate to the needs of the collective and the state.”

    Show me a modern progressive who believes this as Mussolini did. As a progressive, I think the individual needs and rights must be balanced by the needs of the whole. So, given my cigarette example, I want the government to force the tobacco companies to pay for the harm their products do to ALL OF US. I want Superfund sites funded by the corporations that did the pollution. I want the cost shifting to end. I want Walmart and MickieD’s to pay their workers enough that they don’t qualify for welfare. You see that as me taking freedom away from the owners of Walmart. I see it as using government to stop Walmart from ripping off the tax payer.

    ” A more practical modern definition of fascism involves a sick marriage between state and private industry where private individuals own the means of production but that production is under heavy state direction.”

    Who says this is a more practical definition than the list I posted above? You? What you’ve defined there is capital S Socialism, where the state takes over the means of the production by heavily directing the owners. It’s nationalistic. Sure, it could be called fascist, but that definition is lacking all the other points you really want to avoid for some reason.

    “solar subsidies, bank bailouts”

    Actually, many progressive opposed the bank bailouts (TARP). Subsidies can be useful when trying to make up for the destruction caused by oil and coal companies cost-shifting their negative externalities onto the rest of us. I would prefer a carbon tax, but, hey, you do what you can. Frankly, I’d prefer we get rid of all subsidies.

    ” It is hard to say progressives are fascists they are more like close cousins of fascists.”

    It’s hard to say they’re even cousins considering that today’s progressives are against EVERYTHING on this list by Dr. Lawrence Britt:

    Here:

    http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

    Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

    1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

    6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses

    8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

    9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

    12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

    13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

    Now, do you see anything even remotely progressive in there as far as modern progressives are concerned?

    Today’s progressives and liberals oppose every damn thing in that list.

    Today’s “conservatives”–really radicals–support most if not all of those items.

    How many of them give you a woody?

  58. “refuses to endorse legalization as does trump”

    Swing and a miss. He has said he will announce his position soon. He HAS NOT said that he would refuse to endorse legalization.

  59. I don’t believe in the death penalty. But I do believe that Dick Cheney, GW Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and several others belong in the Hague. How about you?

  60. “Change can never occur without reality.”

    And you accuse me of psycho babble?

    Here’s the reality, Glibertarian: Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote.

    In FL, the Libertarian vote was big enough that had just some of the Glibs voted for the Democrat, they could have swung the election to the Democrat who is MUCH MORE LIBERTARIAN than the fascist Voldemort.

    And if you want to talk about change, just look around. The drug war is waning. Legalization is taking place in Blue states run by liberals (hint: it’s got liberty right in the name). VT is about to become the first state to legalize via the legislature. Why isn’t that CHANGE happening in the red states?

    And where are the states run by Glibertarians? Why haven’t you guys changed reality yet? What the heck is taking you so long?

    Meanwhile, we evil liberals are busy changing things for the better–even as you define it–one little step at a time, since that’s how change happens in this great country.

    So, go ahead. Be lazy. Waste you vote. Bitch at people like me. Won’t make a lick of difference, since people like me are busy actually, YOU KNOW, changing things.

  61. With all due respect, you can carry on with all the psycho babble you like, but at the end of the day,it’s still bullshit. Change can never occur without reality.

  62. Buddy, you are too smart and educated for America. Nobody talks about Rand Paul bc the Media brainwashed everybody. Johnny is writing about Trump instead of giving Rand some shine

  63. Sensible advocate on

    On this issue, he speaks openly like probably every republican politician speaks quietly among themselves . . .

    “Ya, it’s ok for medical. . . I don’t think people should be in jail over pot. . . But Nancy Reagan said, “say no to drugs” so the party will never change. Prisons create lots of jobs. And, if I a
    break from the party on this. I may get annihilated by some super pac from the party. Better to wait and see. There may be some jobs and money in it . . . but safer to wait and see. ”

  64. Trump is the King of Flip Flops. He actually made sense for a brief moment in 90 when he stated: In 1990, Trump called for legalizing all drugs. ”We’re losing badly the war on drugs. You have to legalize drugs to win that war,” he said. “You have to take the profit away from these drug czars… What I’d like to do maybe by bringing it up is cause enough controversy that you get into a dialogue on the issue of drugs so people will start to realize that this is the only answer; there is no other answer.” TRUTH. then he went wishy washy like all the other politicians. what a shame.

  65. You are confused in a number of areas but first let me say I am glad you acknowledge the drug war was started by a progressive namely FDR.

    Moving on you seem to be confused by the idea that a religious person can also be a progressive. In fact circa 1920 almost the entire country was fairly religious. It really isn’t even debatable. Factually prohibition was a progressive project. William Jennings Bryan a devout christian and left wing nutball was a supporter of prohibition. The primary organization pushing prohibition was the WCTU also a progressive group that pushed among other things suffrage, a “living wage” 8 hour workdays and other various progressive causes.

    See
    http://www.jstor.org/stable/1010550?seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents

    The progressive party in a large number of states formally endorsed prohibition. I can go on as needed.

    Moving on to your opinion of progressives. The progressive doctrine is effectively that society can be improved through direct intervention by the state. Management of individuals by the state is inherently contradictory to the notion of self determination and freedom. The more you are perfecting my life the less freedom I have by definition. Social conservatives believe the same thing. The only functional difference between the two is precisely how they wish to micromanage the population. Socons want to force you to pray, progressives want to force you to eat less salt. Progressives want to restrict vaping, conservatives want to restrict marijuana. It is a tomato/tomatoe distinction.

    As far as fascism it is clear from your comments you never actually read Mussolini. If you had you would recognize the progressive nature of fascism. One of his core tenants is the welfare of the individual is subordinate to the needs of the collective and the state. This utilitarian approach should be familiar to any progressive. A more practical modern definition of fascism involves a sick marriage between state and private industry where private individuals own the means of production but that production is under heavy state direction. Think solar subsidies, bank bailouts etc. It is hard to say progressives are fascists they are more like close cousins of fascists.

  66. Here is a link describing Sander’s position from as symathetic an outfit as possible. Sanders favors decriminalization as does trump, he favors medical as does trump and refuses to endorse legalization as does trump.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/19/bernie-sanders-marijuana_n_7337454.html

    There is no stated difference between the two in stated policies. Should Sanders come out in favor of legalization there will be a specific difference. That has not happened yet.

  67. the real question is, who deserves to hang through high treason, and crimes against humanity in their apparent attempt of mass genocide

  68. preventing the people of the states from working through urinalysis is not good for morals or the economy either

  69. discrimination prevents us from the american dream
    when are the ones responsible for war crimes against humanity be tried as the criminals they truly are

  70. $9.00 per gram is the going rate if you look around on wazzee street in downtown denver

    our constitutional rights are ours, not to be taken away by folks bent on warring on people of cannais communities all accross the states, and those who naje sure we can not work a decent job through hateful discrimination up hould be brought up on charges of high treason

    jesus used it to heal the sick, kannabos
    and all those against cannabis and those who use it are also against jesus’ teachings

  71. Actually a fact. He has given the same mealy mouthed non-committal responses to legalization while expressing vague concerns about jailed users.

  72. No, only the Food and Drug Administration can and they, like the IRS are outside the Administration’s influence. If he could change the schedule status of marijuana, the Conservatives would bitch again about his overreach of power.

  73. I don’t care what his position on marijuana is, he’s a greedy misogynist bigot who cares about one thing: Power. It’s as if being a billionaire and CEO isn’t enough to feed his ego. It doesn’t matter if he promises to legalize weed for all Americans, most pot heads are liberal and they would have to be Cheech and Chong high to want to vote for him.

  74. That’s what the Right keeps saying about Obama and after six years people still have their gun rights and our military, even if the budget is cut in half, would exceed the next seven nations’ military budgets combined. Also worth noting, many criminals and mass murderers didn’t have a felony record before their crimes, along with a few loop holes, so they could have bought them the legal way.

  75. Did you know Trump has the support of the KKK and other Identity groups, while the GOP candidates have the support far-right Christian groups who doesn’t believe in church-state separation and wishes to run this country under biblical law?

    No, there is nothing fascist in the US and we like to keep it that way.

  76. Karen Ferguson on

    hahahahah…that’s hilarious. Is that true?? I hope you’re kidding: not so funny if it’s true.
    I’m currently in the middle of Illinois and a pre-roll is 20. I find that irritating. A young woman working at a fast food joint [read: WIfi access] told me: she started to chat w/ me while cleaning.
    Within 15 minutes, she told me she was on 1/2 tablet of Paxil and was weaning herself off. Wow. I suspect she has to work 2 3/4 hours to buy one. Sheesh.
    .

  77. Karen Ferguson on

    From where I’m standing, he makes up whatever facts he needs…..and he doesn’t need many. People seemingly like his [empty] promises. My mother, at 93, a lifelong Democrat, got almost sold on his pitch about “…not needing the [Presidential] salary.”
    OMG! What a sleazy, manipulative thing to say!! Anyone in their right mind knows anyone in THEIR right mind, doesn’t do it for the lousy salary. Sheesh. Has anyone called him on it? Nuff said. I don’t watch him anymore. Have to press the MUTE button, much like the Bush regime.

  78. I will vote for Bernie in the primaries, but I seriously doubt he can beat Hillary. On the plus side, Hillary isn’t as bad as she and her husband used to be, since society has changed quite a bit. In fact, her latest on what to do about drugs is promising, moving from incarceration to treatment for addicts. And she’s made good statements on letting the states experiment with legalization.

    I grew up in Arkansas, where she was hated for her liberal views. It’s quite refreshing that we’re getting some doses of the old Hillary lately, because Bernie has forced her to move left.

    Again, we shouldn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

  79. Equating money with speech is pure fascism. It is you that knows nothing about political ideological other than what is spoon fed to you by the media.

  80. It is self evident that Wall Street has purchased both political parties, just follow the money. Hillary is no liberal, she will say what ever she believes will get her elected and she will take money from anyone giving it.

    We have a once in a generation chance to overthrow the bankers by voting for Bernie Sanders. Lets get it done.

  81. That’s the great thing about these ignorant wingnuts. They just spew crap without checking first. Like they never even heard of fact checking or google. Willful ignorance.

  82. I’ve been studying this stuff all my life, and you’re as wrong as you can possibly be.

    Laurence Britt put together a nice little list. See if any of this sounds familiar…

    1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

    6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses

    8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

    9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

    12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

    13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

  83. Denny…Den? You keep making things up and spouting them as facts…..Check out Berinie’s state. Check-out his firearm policy. Then get back on here and correct yourself. You have got to be tired of making things up……aren’t you?

  84. “What screws up the economy is Central Banking and corporate owned Government.”

    Right. Just like I said: fascist Republicans. No one is more wholly owned by corporate American than the Republican party. And while some Democrats are pretty bad, I’m quite happy with the liberal, and even some libertarian, positions being taken by both Hillary and Bernie.

    So, spare me your glibertarian bullshit. It’s a two party system. You don’t like it. Tough. Some of us are grown up enough to know that one party is MUCH MUCH worse than the other, so we don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

    No go back you your little 1% of the vote corner and think for a while. Maybe you’ll come up with something worthwhile to say.

  85. Close,but no cigar. What screws up the economy is Central Banking and corporate owned Government.
    Sad as it is,we live in a two party system with one head. Reality will set us all free. But first it will really piss you off.

  86. GW Bush wasn’t a lawyer. He was a failed businessman who only made money of the Texas Rangers because the taxpayers paid for the stadium. Donald Trump’s accomplishments are, as Kajira M points out, a whole bunch of bankruptcies. In fact, he’s squandered the money he inherited from his daddy.

  87. You really should look into things before you spout off and prove what an idiot you are.

    Sanders not only supports the second, but he actually thinks there should be NO federal firearms laws.

    Put that in your old, crusty, spit soaked pipe and suck it down deep.

  88. I’m so sick of your shit, Denny. You plop down these big turds and then run away when I prove that you can’t defend them.

    So, let’s play again, even though you apparently don’t want to learn anything (willful ignorance seems to run though all the factions of the GOP).

    Show me a statement where Bernie advocates anything other that small d democratic socialism, which is, by the way, exactly what Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are. Show me how expanding Social Security to make sure Grandma makes a little more that 1200 a week is going to lead this country down the road to Nationalizing entire sectors of the economy. Show me how Medicare for all would lead this country to brown shirts beating the hell out of people in the streets. Show me how Medicaid (the expansion of which has saved lives and money by helping solve the free rider in the ER problem).

    Here’s a hint, Denny. You can’t. Because making the rich pay a little more so we can invest in infrastructure and education doesn’t put an end to capitalism. It helps capitalism by leveling the playing field. It stops the cost shifting of negative externalities onto those who can least afford them.

    We all do better when we all do better.

    You got that?

  89. He’s an open socialist and want’s to socialize this country, and his perpetual statements about it are common.

  90. What about equal rites. Ain’t we all united as one. That’s what made the USA – USA. That means legalize it everywhere, all states or no states. Now handal that, Donald Trump.

  91. Your laziness is proven by your willful ignorance. Most people on welfare are only on it for while, and to get TANF since Clinton, you have to get a job. The majority of people on foodstamps are old and children. Lazy kids. And grandma can still get a job washing dishes, HUH?

    The real welfare in this country is corporate. FOR example, because the minimum wage hasn’t been raised in so long, they people who make it now qualify for welfare. That means that the taxpayers are subsidizing walmart and mcdonalds.

    “pin heads”

    Oh, I see… You watch Billo the Bloviator. Well, that’s your first problem.

  92. You’re a liar. Bernie’s not a communist, and no government on earth has been truly communist. They become totalitarian fascists, which is the opposite of what democratic socialists want.

  93. What a load. I remember people like you saying we should vote for GW Bush or we’d lose our jobs.

    When Bush left office, job losses were at almost a million A MONTH, and GDP was -9%.

    Do you F*ckers ever get tired of being so horribly wrong?

  94. ” Progressives started prohibition”

    Well, no. Religious fanatics did.

    “social conservatives which lets face it are just a different kind of progressive.”

    Obviously you have no idea what the F you’re talking about.

    ” The only difference between social conservatives and progressives is what they want to ban”

    More bullshit. You need some education. Progressives want to end the drug war. In fact, when scored, most progressives wind up in the left economic scale, and on the libertarian side of the fascism scale.

    Try to keep up.

    FDR’s Anslinger was an ass. But that was a very long time ago, and much has changed. For example, the GOP goes for the racist, fascist votes in the south now, not the Democrats. And the progressive Democrats have been fighting the drug war since the 60’s.

    If you don’t keep up, you’re going to be left behind.

    “Progressives and freedom do not mix because their entire philosophy centers around the idea that the world can be made better if we can just find the right “top men” to dictate”

    I don’t know who put all this ignorant shit in your head, but you should probably punch them for it, because they really screwed you up.

    Progressives, or the even further left “democratic socialists” DO NOT LIKE FASCISM. They are the opposite of fascists. They want more democracy… more checks and balances, less power for the executive branch–NOT MORE. You have been taught the exact opposite of the truth.

  95. “Look you want socialism so bad move to a socialist country”

    Make me.

    ” leave the freedoms of this country alone”

    Like the freedom to be thrown in jail for weed? Nah. I think I’ll try to expand our freedoms.

    “Socialism is for lazy people”

    Bullshit. It’s for civilized people. A strong safety net is important, and since the vast majority of people who ever need the safety net only need it for a short amount of time to get back on their feet after horrible events like The Little Bush Depression, then it’s not about being lazy. It’s about not starving or freezing when you lose your job because some wingnut preztledent ruins the economy.

    Italy, Spain, and Greece were all run by right wing governments when the crash happened. Democratic socialist countries like Denmark and Sweeden are doing just fine, thank you.

    “Of course socialists are too ignorant to see what’s right in front of there face.”

    More projection. I asked if you knew what weekend this is. DO you? You know who gave you the weekend? The 40 hour week? I asked you if you know what the battle of Blair mountain was. Since you didn’t answer, it’s pretty obvious you don’t know those things. And since you went on to bullshit some more, it’s pretty obvious you don’t want to learn.

  96. Yes.. the problem we’re having is every yuppie that smokes weed is moving here and coast of living is going up a lot…

  97. Sanders will screw up the economy so bad you won’t have time to smoke weed you will be hunting for food.He is by definition a politician.That’s all he knows.

  98. Sanders will screw up the economy so bad that you won’t be able to smoke weed you will be to busy hunting for food.

  99. It’s 5 a gram with 30 in taxes and regulation.Not sure how things are in Colorado but don’t screw this up.Report teenagers to the authorities.If your legal fine but we don’t let 15 years old into bars.

  100. The issue is efficiency with trump.You aren’t going to get money without results.Your fired comes to mind.If the solution is states rights and or decriminalization then guess what that is the solution.The price of drugs already makes them the largest most profitable cash crop.That is the incentive.Furthermore its produced over our border.We can grow anything here if we choose.

  101. Do the many Business bankruptcies bother you? He has done it four times from what I can see.

    I’m not being sarcastic, I actually want to know how filing multiple debt-be-gones equals an accomplished businessman?

  102. never said I was for Trump did I?

    You ‘crazies’ assume just because someone mentions freedom the are a right wind nut job

    I said fu*k Bernie.

    Hey Logic, do some reading first before you make a fool of your self again, stop watching just one news channel and stop using talking points as facts, makes you look like an “idiot”

  103. The drug war for the record is big government. Progressives started prohibition. It was taken up later by social conservatives which lets face it are just a different kind of progressive. The only difference between social conservatives and progressives is what they want to ban. For progressives its salt and tobacco. For socons its the demon weed.

    And let’s not forget Reagan did not give us the drug war FDR did. Progressives and freedom do not mix because their entire philosophy centers around the idea that the world can be made better if we can just find the right “top men” to dictate to everyone else how they should conduct their life. We need to recognize socons and progressives are the same thing and tell them both to F OFF and leave us alone.

  104. As long as we are at it we need to get the FDA out of the way of terminal patients who want to try experimental treatments. It needs to be their choice not the choice of some DC bureaucrat. As you said they can’t wait.

  105. Go ahead, waste a vote on someone who wants to gut the country and the military and socialize it.
    That’s worked out real well for the communist countries over the ages,,,

  106. He actually says it like it is, and people like you can only not handle the truth, you don’t even want to hear it.

  107. Sanders will give away the country and undermine our national security by gutting the military and making it illegal for law abiding citizens to own firearms.
    That plays into the hands of criminals who don’t care about legally owning a firearm, they get them on the streets anyway.

  108. You’re the idiot if you’re voting for a candidate merely based on whether or not they might support legalization.
    He said the states can do whatever they want with this issue, and he’ll support medical use.
    If he does the latter than he’ll be light years ahead of the current president who’s made countless promises and broken all of them.

  109. He thinks teenagers are smoking more than ever befor, since it became legal. He also thinks crime went up. Trump has no clue. These politicians are so out of touch with reality man…

  110. Look you want socialism so bad move to a socialist country but leave the freedoms of this country alone. Socialism is for lazy people it’s so they don’t have to put in 100% all they have to put in as 10% and get as much as somebody else that puts in 100% they want to live off the backs of other people. socialist are just lazy f**** socialism works really well just look it Italy Greece Spain. Of course socialists are too ignorant to see what’s right in front of there face.

  111. Does anybody know what he’s referring to when he says, “They’ve got a lot of problems going on right now in Colorado, some big problems.” ?

  112. What weekend is this? Why do we have weekends? 40 hour work weeks. Do you even know what socialism is? See the word “Social” in Social Security? Have you ever heard of the Battle of Blair mountain? Do you know who mined all that coal? Who Mother Jones was? What the WPA was?

    Your small government screwed this country. Gave us the gilded age and trickle down economics. Ronnie freaking Reagan gave us the drug war fer chrissake, and progressive Democrats fought him AT THE TIME? Where were you? Voting for him?

  113. Did scocialism build this country? NO… Is there any socialist country ever to come as far as this country as come in as short of period of time as this one? NO… This country was built n a small government not a big one, all government dose is take your money, freedom and f things up.

  114. Donald Trump likes two things mostly, “Fame and Money” and he loves how they connect too. How will legalizing make him fame or money? That is/will be the only issue. Good for America? Probably not his primary concern. My issue with him is feeling that presidents should be “Presidential” not arrogant. Bernie will do much more for the common man and probably already has.

  115. You must be one of those lazy asses that want to be taken care of. A spread the wealth wimp that cant make it on your own. I love pot but it’s lazy socialist, feel like your owed something because you were born pin heads that give it a bad name.

  116. I’m not any of those stereotypes. I like to smoke weed occasionally because I hate alcohol. I’m voting for Trump more than likely because I want to have a job. He is a super accomplished businessman. The Lawyers we keep electing have never produced a thing. All they know how to do is argue. This country is going down the tube fast.

  117. You are both dumb pricks, really out of touch, talk about crazies, I suppose you both would like another Professional Politician who can’t get anything done on ether side and they have proved it for decades. So maintain the Status Quo because you cant think outside the Kool-Aid trough. Keep slurpin !

  118. If you ask me, his option has not changed seance the 90s. he’s going to follow throw with his plans to legalise all drugs. America is stupid and he will do what is best for us.

  119. Americans are suffering and dying — needlessly — because they’re being denied safe, legal, access to life saving medication.
    Prohibition would still be wrong even if Marijuana hadn’t turned out to be a wonder drug for Cancer patients, kids with seizures, veterans with PTSD, and people with chronic pain.
    This has become a human rights issue. The 2016 election is too far away. The urgency of this has gone way up, especially because the kind of Marijuana that kiss with seizures need can only be found in states with Medical Marijuana — its not the same kind that people buy on the black market, which nobody, especially Americans with Cancer, should have to go to anywhere in America, The situation is horrifying. Medical Marijuana is medicine, and its just as immoral to deny it to Americans who need it as it would be to deny insulin, or antibiotics to Americans who need them.

  120. Obama doesn’t care about you or medical marijuana. He could change the schedule anytime he wants with a “phone call and a pen” but he won’t because he doesn’t care.

  121. I’ve seen WAY too many people die of Cancer and, not to put too fine a point on it, dying of Cancer sucks — ask anyone doing it.

    If you’re an American man, you’ve got a 1 out of 2 chance of getting Cancer and a 1 out of 2 chance of dying from it — after suffering pain beyond human description.
    If you’re an American woman, you’ve got a 1 out 3 chance of getting Cancer and a 1 out of 2 chance of dying from it — and the pain is just as bad as it is for men.

    THIS YEAR, 1.6 MILLION AMERICANS WILL BE DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER — AND HALF OF THEM WILL WIND UP DYING ROM IT.
    YOU COULD BE NEXT.

    As a nation, we can’t afford to wait until the 2016 election to get Marijuana taken off of Schedule 1.
    Every single minute, yet another American dies of Cancer.

    If you get Cancer, you’re going to want to have safe, legal, access to Medical Marijuana.

    We need results now.

    We need The Weed Blog, NORML, and every other organization that cares about this issue, including everyone who reads this message to get everyone they know to start calling the President and Congress and demanding (politely) that they remove Marijuana from Schedule 1, immediately.

    Cancer patients can’t wait.

  122. Yeah, the control that GW Bush had over our lives when he cut taxes on the rich and lied us into a multi-trillion dollar war. Republicans are the fascists, with a small contingent of Glibertarians who lose to the fascist wing of your wingnut party on almost everything, and have to vote with the Democrats to get anything good done. Democrats, especially the ones like Bernie, want us ALL to have an equal shot at the freedom the GOP tries to take away.

  123. “Bernie feels the government should control everything in your life”

    Complete bullshit. You need to take a political science course and learn the difference between Socialist, and democratic socialist. We’re not talking Soviet Union “communism” here. He’s more like the Nordic countries, where they have freedom, with good wages, health care, and a strong safety net.

  124. he’s a democratic socialist you uneducated braindead idiot. f*ck you, you have no idea what you’re talking about at all, you’re just brainwashed. man americans are pretty stupid- you think you live in a perfect unregulated free society? you prefer freedom? oh? so you’d support complete free reign for factories to implement whatever machines they want, hire whoever they want, no matter how young? you’d support going into another financial recession for the gain of bankers and CEOs? you want firefighters, hospital workers, and soldiers to be privatized?

    idiot

  125. Before all this cut the taxes BS this country had the best roads and transportation in the world. Try to get something for nothing and nothing or worse is what you get. Wake up and smell what you are shoveling.

  126. Trump will never be elected president, he couldn’t even handle a job as dog catcher, he would have to know something. His main support comes from the crazies like himself, the birthers, the ones who think Obama is not christian ,and conspiracy nuts.
    You can’t trust anything Trump says he doesn’t believe in the truth.

  127. And you can support any of what you just said? Who is your alternate choice?

    As far as I’ve heard, which is all anyone’s heard, Bernie Sanders’ last official response was – “Colorado has led the effort toward legalizing marijuana, and I’m going to watch very closely to see the pluses and minuses of what they have done,” Sander said during a Reddit “Ask Me Anything” Internet conference in May. “I will have more to say about this issue within the coming months.”

    Overall, he’s said he’s against the War on Drugs. Again, who is your alternative? What are their views?

    Or are you just senselessly bashing him because you think he wants “government control” and to take away our freedom?

  128. Who cares what Trump thinks about mary jane johnny? Have you heard him talk about the world problems? The whole GOP is a lost case. If Trump wins, cannabis is the LEAST we are going to be thinking of.

  129. Cannabis users 45% less likely to develop bladder cancer

    From “the motley fool” —

    Marijuana could cut this cancer risk by 45% in men
    The California Men’s Health Study, which used data from 2002-2003 and included 82,050 male participants of varying demographics and health backgrounds, was targeted at discovering what effect (if any) smoking tobacco and smoking marijuana had on respondents’ bladders.

    The study, which was conducted via questionnaire and undertaken by Kaiser Permanente of California, showed that users who smoked marijuana were 45% less likely to develop bladder cancer than those who didn’t in a follow-up after 11 years.

  130. 85% of Americans want Marijuana legalized for Medical purposes. So do 82% of Oncologists. Don’t wait until you need an Oncologist to get involved in getting Marijuana removed from Schedule 1. By then it will be too late for you.

  131. We’ve got to get this issue addressed at the federal level immediately. Marijuana isn’t just a “Wonder Drug” its a whole bunch of them. Marijuana is “A rain forest in a single plant”
    Although its been safely used as a medicine for thousands of years and has an unmatched safety profile and an unmatched therapeutic index its on Schedule 1 where tobacco should be. We need the President to get it removed from Schedule 1 immediately. It should be over the counter. Its safer than NSAIDS and much safer than Tylenol.

  132. Vote Donald Trump. He is write about taking the money out of it. Then you have an abundance of it and it will go like cigarettes. So let’s end the war on drugs and set people free.

  133. It is a MORAL IMPERATIVE that Medical Marijuana be immediately legalized in all 50 states.

    For Cancer patients, for kids suffering from Seizures, and for so many others, safe, legal, access to Medical Marijuana is a matter of life and death.

    Ask any American who’s gone through Chemotherapy who’s used it.
    There’s a great article in the July 22nd special issue of Newsweek on CANCER, titled
    “Marijuana is a Wonder Drug for when it comes to the horrors of Chemo”
    According to a 2014 poll, 82% of Oncologists felt that Medical Marijuana should be included as a treatment option.

    Ask the parents of any American kid with a seizure disorder who’s life its saved.

    They need a special kind of Marijuana oil that’s impossible to get in the 27 states that don’t have Medical Marijuana, and for their kids, its a matter of life and death.

    We need the President to cut through the red tape and take personal action on this issue right now. We need Congress to pass the CARERS act too. Americans are suffering and dying — needlessly!

    Please call the whitehouse comment line at (202) 456-1111 and ask that the President have Marijuana removed from Schedule 1, You can email the President by going towhitehouse.gov and clicking on “contact us”

    Call and email your Senators and Representative, and ask that they pass the CARERS act — IMMEDIATELY.

    Call and email every day, and ask everyone you know to call and email every day, and to keep calling, and keep emailing, for however long it takes, until the President, Congress or both take action.

    Please do everything you can to get as many people as possible to call and email and to keep on calling and emailing, every single day.

    Do everything you can to help with this effort.

    Pass it on.

    With luck the effort will go viral.

    The lives of countless Americans depend on it.

  134. Bernie is a socialist, he wants the government to grow, process and distribute with massive taxes all the pot in the country.

    I prefer freedom to socialism, I want to grow my own.

    Until we all can freely grow at home we are not free

    Bernie feels the government should control everything in your life, leaving you with no choices because he(as well as most politicians) feels you are to stupid to make choices for yourself.

    Fu*k Bernie

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